Quote:From his perspective, this is all he sees:
Jaguars record:
2011 5-11
2012 2-14
2013 4-12
2014 3-13
What is there to let him believe that the Jaguars are on track to improve? There are no signs of steady improvement as far as wins and losses, which at the end of the day is what matters. Sure, there can be hope but it's not his job to be hopeful for the Jaguars. Ultimately, it's up to the Jaguars to win and change peoples' perceptions.
If he made these general comments about the Raiders (not making the right moves to build the team), he would be right in most peoples' opinions, except the Raider fans would be upset and argue otherwise. I think the same thing is happening here.
If he were just a fan, that might be understandable. But he's an analyst. He is therefore either lazy or stupid.
Dukes isn't even an analyst. He's a personality and nothing more. I'll even go one step further and say thay he's even being told what to say.. He's nothing more than air-time filler who does no homework. But that shouldn't surprise anyone, right?
Quote:If it was soo bad under Gene Smith why did the jags have more sacks under Bradleys o-line? Man you don't know nothing about football..And everything about your response suggest you might be on crack!! Smh!
I apologize for mimicking you Yo Boy.
Quote:He makes valid points it starting to seem like every guy we bring in was a backup, and now we pay them nice contracts and they come in and start and suck and we shaking our heads.
Think about it Daryl Smith, Eugene Monroe, Pot Roast,Derek Cox even Mojo all players that could have been kept and we still haven't replaced those positions.
I like the Julius Thomas signing but we kept Marcedes Lewis and cutting him would have free'd up like 5 mill that makes no sense.Lewis is trash now! Like they say Parnell was a backup, but now he suppose to come here and play great. Hmmmm Some of yall thought Gerhart would do the same last year too. We had Red Bryant who was decent, not sure why they bought Odrick in plus they resign Alualu days prior that makes no sense.Seeing how Alualu havent really been good since he been here."bust" And especially when Marks played good and we still have Roy Miller. Smh.
Since we Let Smith go we been searching every since for another good LB,I think Telvin Smith is the best LB on the team personally. Not sure how Skuta gonna look because he too was a backup! And so was House and Pierce so on..
Only proven player Jaguars bought in was Julius Thomas to be honest!
And the one backup that they needed to let go!! Is yo boy Henne ! Smh!
Pretty much every player you mentioned besides Dayrl Smith have flopped since their departure from Jacksonville. Cox is not in the league, injury prone and was way over hyped. Montel Owens.....really? Your complaining he let a backup special teamer go? Pot Roast was a good player yes but he could never keep his weight down and is struggling to get a long term deal because of it. He's not exactly a "all pro" either. Monroe is so hot and cold its not even funny, he's definitely solid and as of now better than Joekel, but Monroe was leaving at the seasons end, that much was clear. We got compensation for him before he departed which was good if you ask me. I think Dave Caldwell would be the first to tell you he made a mistake letting Smith walk, but the team was in pretty bad shape when he took it over and maybe just starting completely fresh was best. I don't think any team is perfect and looking back on it, it was probably a better idea to keep a veteran on the team like Daryl Smith, who can still play at a top level in this league.
You really are just playing the name game, you don't recognize some of the names we brought in. Odrick by the way is a very good player and a complete upgrade over Red Bryant, who by the way, struggled last year. His career is winding down while Odrick is entering his prime. Yea, we probably over paid the guy, but if you look at the contracts of all the players we brought in, they are all team friendly and we can dump them, in necessary after year 2. Odrick has no bonuses and after these first two years, he can have his deal restructured if necessary. You realize also the Jags have to spend to the cap? Lewis is a good player who is overly criticized on the team. His entire career he was handicapped to run blocking because we were a run first team. He was a good pass catching TE, he's getting older and his production has dipped. I don't know about you but i still saw some great catches last season from him. Someone like Julius Thomas on the other side of him can probably take some of the weight of his back and maybe he has a solid season this year. Maybe he can focus a bit more on run blocking and maybe as the second TE, we get a much better Marcedes. Its his last year on his deal and no matter what anyone says, he's a good player. Thomas and Lewis can combine to be one lethal TE duo. Maybe he resigns at seasons end on a cheaper deal as we have taken care of him his whole career.
I think your being way to negative on the team. I think this front office has done a very good job so far. Now we need to see if the main pieces can fit into the puzzle. Bortles.
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LOL
How does he make more money than me?
hurts every single time i see something like that.
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Knighton was NOT good as a Jaguar. -20 PFF grade while he was here. Regardless of what you think about PFF, they aren't wrong by that much. He was quite good once he got to Denver, but it is unlikely that transformation would have happened if he had stayed in Jax.
Let's set the record straight on this so-called "transformation" myth.
Knighton was the same guy in Denver he was here. Exactly the same.
Ditto Monroe in Baltimore.
The difference was PFF's fallible perception. Placed on a better team, then magically they became "better" players.
Common sense alone says no, and the tape proves it. Same guys in both places. The change was solely in their misperception.
Quote:Let's set the record straight on this so-called "transformation" myth.
Knighton was the same guy in Denver he was here. Exactly the same.
Ditto Monroe in Baltimore.
The difference was PFF's fallible perception. Placed on a better team, then magically they became "better" players.
Common sense alone says no, and the tape proves it. Same guys in both places. The change was solely in their misperception.
I agree with you on the fallibility of PFF.
I wonder about any analysis that could lead anyone to possibly conclude Derek Cox was anywhere near the CB that Darelle Revis is/was.
Quote:wins and losses. plus trading away our 1st round lineman then leading the league in QB sacks after.....that just doesn't look good. it cant if you're being honest. I'm not saying ALL the moves are bad but he hasn't EARNED the right to be the guy that we DON'T question. has he? what has Dave done to NOT be questioned in his moves? it's the business....either you win or all your moves look stupid. Chip Kelly will either be a complete idiot or genius because of the moves he made this offseason. thats how it goes
No, not yet.
Has he made some questionable moves?
Absolutely. Right now I am at the point of questioning Joeckel, even though I understand the Monroe trade.
But understanding the draft is a crapshoot...misses are unavoidable, even among the very best GMs. Jimmy Jonson drafted Alexander Wright. Bill Walsh drafted Daniel Stubbs and Terrence Flagler.
But saying Caldwell is not beyond questioning is not the same as saying all his moves have been questionable.
Quote:Please don't accuse anyone here of not knowing football. You probably say more dumb things about football than anyone I have ever seen on here. Ten dollars says you were one of the guys screaming to sign TO and Chad Johnson at the end of their careers because you recognized the name.
Ummm negative!! I just dont care to jump on the bandwagon with everyone opinion and agree to everything that goes on around here like you! I say what i feel and dont care if it bothers yall. Im trying to learn to stop cussing yall out to keep from getting ban. But i truly can care less about your opinion
Quote:Pretty much every player you mentioned besides Dayrl Smith have flopped since their departure from Jacksonville. Cox is not in the league, injury prone and was way over hyped. Montel Owens.....really? Your complaining he let a backup special teamer go? Pot Roast was a good player yes but he could never keep his weight down and is struggling to get a long term deal because of it. He's not exactly a "all pro" either. Monroe is so hot and cold its not even funny, he's definitely solid and as of now better than Joekel, but Monroe was leaving at the seasons end, that much was clear. We got compensation for him before he departed which was good if you ask me. I think Dave Caldwell would be the first to tell you he made a mistake letting Smith walk, but the team was in pretty bad shape when he took it over and maybe just starting completely fresh was best. I don't think any team is perfect and looking back on it, it was probably a better idea to keep a veteran on the team like Daryl Smith, who can still play at a top level in this league.
You really are just playing the name game, you don't recognize some of the names we brought in. Odrick by the way is a very good player and a complete upgrade over Red Bryant, who by the way, struggled last year. His career is winding down while Odrick is entering his prime. Yea, we probably over paid the guy, but if you look at the contracts of all the players we brought in, they are all team friendly and we can dump them, in necessary after year 2. Odrick has no bonuses and after these first two years, he can have his deal restructured if necessary. You realize also the Jags have to spend to the cap? Lewis is a good player who is overly criticized on the team. His entire career he was handicapped to run blocking because we were a run first team. He was a good pass catching TE, he's getting older and his production has dipped. I don't know about you but i still saw some great catches last season from him. Someone like Julius Thomas on the other side of him can probably take some of the weight of his back and maybe he has a solid season this year. Maybe he can focus a bit more on run blocking and maybe as the second TE, we get a much better Marcedes. Its his last year on his deal and no matter what anyone says, he's a good player. Thomas and Lewis can combine to be one lethal TE duo. Maybe he resigns at seasons end on a cheaper deal as we have taken care of him his whole career.
I think your being way to negative on the team. I think this front office has done a very good job so far. Now we need to see if the main pieces can fit into the puzzle. Bortles.
Im not being negative just being realistic. Only thing negatives are the amount of wins the jags have had over the past 2 season. Im on board with some of the moves the front office are doing mainly Julius Thomas! But come on man our fans have become punching bag and soft! Everyone so use to losing they desperately accept everything that goes on around here. No hard feelings but i dont!
Quote:From his perspective, this is all he sees:
Jaguars record:
2011 5-11
2012 2-14
2013 4-12
2014 3-13
What is there to let him believe that the Jaguars are on track to improve? There are no signs of steady improvement as far as wins and losses, which at the end of the day is what matters. Sure, there can be hope but it's not his job to be hopeful for the Jaguars. Ultimately, it's up to the Jaguars to win and change peoples' perceptions.
If he made these general comments about the Raiders (not making the right moves to build the team), he would be right in most peoples' opinions, except the Raider fans would be upset and argue otherwise. I think the same thing is happening here.
Easy to say if you're just looking at the record and not what is happening to the roster. Turnover results in losses, period, paragraph. Any rational evaluation of the roster today compared with where it was 3 years ago would clearly indicate an uptick. It's younger but much more talented. Not all of Caldwell's decisions have panned out but that's how it goes. Ultimately it's about the kind of roster you can put together. In two years, when this team is contending (if not a favorite) for the Superbowl, you won't hear a word from these critics.
I said nothing when he made his remarks because at the end of the day our record over the span is poor......until those tweets. Really? Did he compare our team to that of the Seahawks without Wilson? He just backflipped into that crap....now he's just backstroking through the nonsense in glee