Quote:Easy to say if you're just looking at the record and not what is happening to the roster. Turnover results in losses, period, paragraph. Any rational evaluation of the roster today compared with where it was 3 years ago would clearly indicate an uptick. It's younger but much more talented. Not all of Caldwell's decisions have panned out but that's how it goes. Ultimately it's about the kind of roster you can put together. In two years, when this team is contending (if not a favorite) for the Superbowl, you won't hear a word from these critics.
Easy to say when you are concentrating on theoretical positives and don't care about the record.
Your the business of sports, everything gets scrutinized beyond belief.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions and that's fine, and you have to respect them... don't have to agree with them though, That being said.....
- We gutted the roster and had 4 wins.... meh
- year 2 of the rebuild... brutal but we were closer in most of the games so marked improvement here
-2015 season will commence in due time and we all will scrutinize and forecast stats for draft picks
I for one am on board with what were doing here... im interested to see how this plays out but if we don't get at least 5 wins this year ill be very disappointed, I don't think that'll be in question though.
This is the year this team will show promise and make all us fans proud again for these reasons:
- we maintain are 2014 theme of not getting OWNED every single week
- we see progress in Bortles (Cant get much worse)
- continuity on the OLine for the first time in 4 years (cant get much worse)
- a win total higher than any other Caldwell regime season
-Julius FREAKIN Thomas, cant help it... im excited! This is the Power Move in FA Jags would never go after... and he WANTED to come here... that's a pretty big deal Imho
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Quote:I said nothing when he made his remarks because at the end of the day our record over the span is poor......until those tweets. Really? Did he compare our team to that of the Seahawks without Wilson? He just backflipped into that crap....now he's just backstroking through the nonsense in glee
He showed what most of us already knew.. He is clueless.
I stopped listening at "Just a QB away a few years ago". It's pretty obvious he's just doing his best "Hey, let's throw this on the wall and hope it sticks" bit. He didn't do his homework. Just like roughly 75% of the journalists and analysts outside of this market tend to do. Take it with a pinch of salt.
With that said though, Caldwell and Co. have to show vast improvements and strides this year. Year three is when it should start coming together with the talent you've added over the last 24 months. If we're not flirting with .500 on a weekly basis I will be concerned as a fan. On paper I don't think our schedule is all that alarming or overwhelming just yet. We still have next month's draft to look forward to. But if we can finish at the minimum 7 - 9 / 8 - 8 and not get our lunch money and milk taken away from us in games I'll be content heading into year four with this regime.
Lol. 2 years ago ago we needed was a qb, really? This is literally just ignorant drive by journalism. I realized a long time ago, it's impossible to have intimate knowledge of all 32 teams. Sometimes you have to generalize and that's exactly what he did.
This situation is pretty much the poster child for "I wish you would be more informed and less opinionated."
this thread went on this long because some guy said something on tv... We might be a tad insecure as a fan base
Quote:Easy to say when you are concentrating on theoretical positives and don't care about the record.
I do care about the record in the long term but it's only been a short term for the staff currently in place. We should be willing to endure a little short term pain to get to where we need to be as a franchise.
I like how people are saying some of Caldwell's decisions hasn't panned out. How about none of his decisions has panned out correctly to this point. Up until this point he's accumulated a total of 7 wins for this franchise. Why the praise I don't know; maybe because the front office has a better talk game these days and that sells. And of course cabanas and jumbotrons to get the country bumpkins aroused.
Quote:Im not being negative just being realistic. Only thing negatives are the amount of wins the jags have had over the past 2 season. Im on board with some of the moves the front office are doing mainly Julius Thomas! But come on man our fans have become punching bag and soft! Everyone so use to losing they desperately accept everything that goes on around here. No hard feelings but i dont!
Its easy to be upset at not winning games, but this has been going on with the Jaguars sands 2007 playoff run, well before Caldwell and Bradley. Would you like me to remind you of 2012? 2-14............... They gutted the roster, there was no talent, NONE besides a few players. Yes, they let Dayrl Smith walk, a move probably not in the best interest of a young team. But they have improved the roster drastically in the past year and this offseason. You have got to have patience man, we all want to win but its easier said than done. And keeping Daryl Smith and Montel Owens as you called for would not of helped this team win. We have drafted poorly for years, YEARS. Through, Shack and Gene i think they managed 1 maybe 2 players in the first round that were serviceable ( that includes Blackmon) in Monroe and Marcedes Lewis. From 2003 to 2012, the Jags over the years drafted awful, horrible free agent acquisitions which led to cap hell, which led this team down a dark path. If you expect a talentless roster to simply become magic over night because we hired a new coach and GM, your kidding yourself.
I think you will be pleasantly surprised this season, i cant guarantee a playoff run, but if we can get even to 500, we know we are headed in the right direction. You say fans get used to losing, i think thats a black and white statement. Yea, the Jags have sucked, but we are fans and thats what we have been given. I can guarantee you if we go 3-13 or 4-12 again someone is getting fired, and i don't think that will be the case this season.
Quote:I like how people are saying some of Caldwell's decisions hasn't panned out. How about none of his decisions has panned out correctly to this point. Up until this point he's accumulated a total of 7 wins for this franchise. Why the praise I don't know; maybe because the front office has a better talk game these days and that sells. And of course cabanas and jumbotrons to get the country bumpkins aroused.
Again, they're talking about from a personnel standpoint. It doesn't mean there aren't still holes to fill. The line between teams in the NFL is so thin that a serious deficiency at a single position can mean the difference between a winning record and a losing record. Two years ago, the Jags had serious deficiencies at nearly every position. Most reasonable people understand that you can't fix all of those in two years, but it's clear that he's upgraded the roster in that time and going into the third year, it's going to start to show in the record too.
Quote:If the team doesn't even come close to .500 this season, it'll be time to look for a new GM and a new head coach.
Anything less then six games and changes need to be made.
Quote:this thread went on this long because some guy said something on tv... We might be a tad insecure as a fan base
No, it went on this long because we are fans. If people say bad things about us, and there isn't any response, people will start to assume there are no Jaguar fans at all.
Quote:No, it went on this long because we are fans. If people say bad things about us, and there isn't any response, people will start to assume there are no Jaguar fans at all.
Don't worry about what people might assume
Quote:I like how people are saying some of Caldwell's decisions hasn't panned out. How about none of his decisions has panned out correctly to this point. Up until this point he's accumulated a total of 7 wins for this franchise. Why the praise I don't know; maybe because the front office has a better talk game these days and that sells. And of course cabanas and jumbotrons to get the country bumpkins aroused.
Caldwell doesn't coach the team, so the record is not entirely on him. The best one could hope for if he made ALL of the right decisions would still have been below 500. It's not unreasonable for a GM to take a longer-term view of rebuilding in those circumstances. Of course Caldwell chose Bradley, so there's some blame there too for whatever Bradley's role was in the poor record.
You can't say "none of his decisions have panned out." Some of his signings have been great; Marks, Ball, and Clemons were key players on defense, and Will Blackmon was excellent in 2013, although he played poorly last season. The 2014 draft looks to be one of the best in a long time (in the NFL, not just for the Jags) with Linder and Telvin already among the best in the league, and most of the rest looking to be long time starter quality players. It ultimately will boil down to Bortles, but he showed flashes of greatness in the preseason. He only needs to make those mechanics instinctive to be able to play that way all the time.
Quote:Its easy to be upset at not winning games, but this has been going on with the Jaguars sands 2007 playoff run, well before Caldwell and Bradley. Would you like me to remind you of 2012? 2-14............... They gutted the roster, there was no talent, NONE besides a few players. Yes, they let Dayrl Smith walk, a move probably not in the best interest of a young team. But they have improved the roster drastically in the past year and this offseason. You have got to have patience man, we all want to win but its easier said than done. And keeping Daryl Smith and Montel Owens as you called for would not of helped this team win. We have drafted poorly for years, YEARS. Through, Shack and Gene i think they managed 1 maybe 2 players in the first round that were serviceable ( that includes Blackmon) in Monroe and Marcedes Lewis. From 2003 to 2012, the Jags over the years drafted awful, horrible free agent acquisitions which led to cap hell, which led this team down a dark path. If you expect a talentless roster to simply become magic over night because we hired a new coach and GM, your kidding yourself.
I think you will be pleasantly surprised this season, i cant guarantee a playoff run, but if we can get even to 500, we know we are headed in the right direction. You say fans get used to losing, i think thats a black and white statement. Yea, the Jags have sucked, but we are fans and thats what we have been given. I can guarantee you if we go 3-13 or 4-12 again someone is getting fired, and i don't think that will be the case this season.
Well lets hope we dont have another losing season.The thing about patience is it eventually runs out. This team has to win at least 7 games or Gus is gone.
At the end of the day, no mater what a GM's philosophy, it only works if the players they acquire pan out. I sure hope Dave's players develop because another rebuild/regime change would suck.
Quote:I think this is a fair rebuttal...
https://twitter.com/PFTonNBCSN/status/58...0275553281
Not really. That just shows that the Jags had very few players better than those from the last two drafts (assuming that draft picks weren't given starts ahead of better players, e.g. see Williams, Reggie). You're essentially dividing by zero here.
I personally think the 2014 draft was excellent, but that chart proves nothing.