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Saudi Arabia expects solar to take over oil and alternative energy investment to outpace oil investment by the 20's
Why don't we get behind that? I'm sure you conservatives have a perfectly good retort.
Quote:Saudi Arabia expects solar to take over oil and alternative energy investment to outpace oil investment by the 20's
Why don't we get behind that? I'm sure you conservatives have a perfectly good retort.
Everyone knows that the Sun disappears and the world gets dark every now and again. Usually once every 12 hours for about 12 hours. Some scientists are calling it a period of 'night', but some scientists say it's just a political move to control everybody, and that this 'night' doesn't really exist and we just think the sun goes down for twelve hours because those are the hours we're all asleep. If the sun goes away, they say -- why is it daylight still in other countries?
Quote:Everyone knows that the Sun disappears and the world gets dark every now and again. Usually once every 12 hours for about 12 hours. Some scientists are calling it a period of 'night', but some scientists say it's just a political move to control everybody, and that this 'night' doesn't really exist and we just think the sun goes down for twelve hours because those are the hours we're all asleep. If the sun goes away, they say -- why is it daylight still in other countries?
Tide goes in, tide goes out. You can't explain that.
I also like how gashouse regulations will apparently kill jobs, while building robots to replace minimum wage workers won't.
Quote:I also like how gashouse regulations will apparently kill jobs, while building robots to replace minimum wage workers won't.
Maybe they wouldn't build the robots if they could pay humans even less money? :whistling:
I'm all for solar energy, the market doesn't seem to be.
Quote:I'm all for solar energy, the market doesn't seem to be.
I think a lot of the major markets in the world are moving in the direction. I think we will to just much much slower than other countries.
Quote:Saudi Arabia expects solar to take over oil and alternative energy investment to outpace oil investment by the 20's
Why don't we get behind that? I'm sure you conservatives have a perfectly good retort.
Regardless if climate change, global warming/cooling is man made or natural I think solar is the future and support getting behind it 100%. The problem is we're missing a link right now, I remember seeing a really detailed documentary on solar energy a few years ago and they talked about how we almost need to create an element that can absorb more energy from the sun. I think they said the best we can do right now is capture about 3% of the energy from the sun, if we could get close to 10% the world's energy problem is over.
However the advances we have seen in solar haven't been where government get's involved. Just look at Solyndra and it's a good example of crony capitalism.
Quote:Regardless if climate change, global warming/cooling is man made or natural I think solar is the future and support getting behind it 100%. The problem is we're missing a link right now, I remember seeing a really detailed documentary on solar energy a few years ago and they talked about how we almost need to create an element that can absorb more energy from the sun. I think they said the best we can do right now is capture about 3% of the energy from the sun, if we could get close to 10% the world's energy problem is over.
However the advances we have seen in solar haven't been where government get's involved. Just look at Solyndra and it's a good example of crony capitalism.
It's more like 11-15% but yeah not as efficient as you would like which is why research and development needs to be done.
Where do you think all the research and innovation for say the space program came from? Or federal grants for medical research? A huge portion of the inventions that came from the space program have applications for every day life. Going sustainable in energy is something that would benefit the entire nation in a similar way. You won't even argue that.
In addition being dependent on oil is a constant example of a national security concern no? Federal funding of research into sustainable energy should be a primary concern. Not so much funding businesses or subsidizing them but absolutely I think we should be using tax money to fund research and development. Siphon a few billion from the defense spending. Easy peasy.
Quote:It's more like 11-15% but yeah not as efficient as you would like which is why research and development needs to be done.
Where do you think all the research and innovation for say the space program came from? Or federal grants for medical research? A huge portion of the inventions that came from the space program have applications for every day life. Going sustainable in energy is something that would benefit the entire nation in a similar way. You won't even argue that.
In addition being dependent on oil is a constant example of a national security concern no? Federal funding of research into sustainable energy should be a primary concern. Not so much funding businesses or subsidizing them but absolutely I think we should be using tax money to fund research and development. Siphon a few billion from the defense spending. Easy peasy.
The problem with federal grants and funding is politicians and trusting them to over sea distribution of the funds. You want campaign reform well the first step would be eliminating the politicians ability to purchase votes through grants.
It's not just the public sector tossing $$ at Alt-energy. More importantly, R&D is and has been increasing yoy from private sector, (thars gold in them thar hills). More and more businesses are incorporating solar and geothermal energy into their infrastructures and L/T models, and private funding for large alt-energy projects is also on the rise (and profitable as a business). 150 years of global fossil fuel dependency and infrastructure growth will not end with a 180 or fast enough for the most environmentally concerned. But it will and is happening.
Quote:The problem with federal grants and funding is politicians and trusting them to over sea distribution of the funds. You want campaign reform well the first step would be eliminating the politicians ability to purchase votes through grants.
How could that possibly be the first way to help campaign finance? Not actual donations or ads or transparency but stopping grants? Grant that while at times corrupt and wrapped in bureaucracy have led some of the greatest advancement of our times and are likely generally not corrupt?
Quote:How could that possibly be the first way to help campaign finance? Not actual donations or ads or transparency but stopping grants? Grant that while at times corrupt and wrapped in bureaucracy have led some of the greatest advancement of our times and are likely generally not corrupt?
See that's where we don't see eye to eye I think everything Washington touches is generally corrupt.
I didn't mean to sidetrack the conversation into a campaign finance topic but was trying to demonstrate a big reason why there is corruption and politicians being bought off is because of the grant money the offer in return.
In a perfect world public funding grants would be used to invest in projects to better the nation, in the world we live in there used to buy political advantages and favors.
Quote:See that's where we don't see eye to eye I think everything Washington touches is generally corrupt.
I didn't mean to sidetrack the conversation into a campaign finance topic but was trying to demonstrate a big reason why there is corruption and politicians being bought off is because of the grant money the offer in return.
In a perfect world public funding grants would be used to invest in projects to better the nation, in the world we live in there used to buy political advantages and favors.
Fair enough. I also agree it's generally corrupt but things do come of it. Cutting of noses and all that....
We can start a new one about campaign finance if we feel like it.
It will be interesting to observe the market in waterfront property in the next 10 years. That will tell us a lot about who believes in global warming and who does not.
Al Gore has become an optimist.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/17/scienc...ef=science
"Experts predicted in 2000 that wind generated power worldwide would reach 30 gigawatts; by 2010, it was 200 gigawatts, and by last year it reached nearly 370, or more than 12 times higher. Installations of <a class="" href='http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/energy-environment/solar-energy/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier' title="More articles about solar power.">solar power</a> would add one new gigawatt per year by 2010, predictions in 2002 stated. It turned out to be 17 times that by 2010 and 48 times that amount last year."
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