05-15-2015, 12:47 PM
05-15-2015, 01:01 PM
Quote:Not a surprise
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://news.vice.com/article/it-was-warmer-in-antarctica-than-in-new-york-city-last-week-and-thats-not-even-the-bad-news'>https://news.vice.com/article/it-was-warmer-in-antarctica-than-in-new-york-city-last-week-and-thats-not-even-the-bad-news</a>
Final paragraph of that article:
"Heat is absorbed in the ocean like a sponge, and a good amount of that heat is coming up. Where it comes up it melts underside of the ice shelves," Martinson said, warning that the phenomenon could push the sea level dangerously high. "I don't like to say 'doomsday scenario' but this is sort of pointing toward it."
He ain't saying, he's just saying...
05-15-2015, 04:51 PM
Quote:You are comparing apples and oranges. Swiss Re is a global insurance agency with over 11k employees that clears billions in profit each year. They make their bread by making these types of predictions accurately. Comparing their analysis to what biologist said on Earth Day 45 years ago is not a fair comparison.You don't think they're using science and scientists to come to these conclusions? Absolutely they are.
05-15-2015, 06:32 PM
Quote:Final paragraph of that article:
"Heat is absorbed in the ocean like a sponge, and a good amount of that heat is coming up. Where it comes up it melts underside of the ice shelves," Martinson said, warning that the phenomenon could push the sea level dangerously high. "I don't like to say 'doomsday scenario' but this is sort of pointing toward it."
He ain't saying, he's just saying...
Whoever said that is no scientist. Ice shelves are floating ice, and melting floating ice does not change the sea level. The sea level increases from melting land ice (glaciers) and from thermal expansion as the oceans warm. The extraction and use of 'fossil water' is also significant.
05-15-2015, 06:40 PM
Quote:You are comparing apples and oranges. Swiss Re is a global insurance agency with over 11k employees that clears billions in profit each year. They make their bread by making these types of predictions accurately. Comparing their analysis to what biologist said on Earth Day 45 years ago is not a fair comparison.
Insurance companies "make their bread" when people buy unnecessary insurance. Predicting a need for insurance whether or not it's true is to their benefit.
Also, governments set rates in some cases (that's true here in Florida). By convincing the bureaucrats that there is impending disaster, they get their homeowner rates increased.
Swiss Re has every financial reason to exaggerate a prediction.
05-15-2015, 08:47 PM
Quote:Insurance companies "make their bread" when people buy unnecessary insurance. Predicting a need for insurance whether or not it's true is to their benefit.
Also, governments set rates in some cases (that's true here in Florida). By convincing the bureaucrats that there is impending disaster, they get their homeowner rates increased.
Swiss Re has every financial reason to exaggerate a prediction.
Funny how they take a corporation's word as Gospel when it supports their position.
05-18-2015, 12:56 PM
05-18-2015, 04:00 PM
Quote:http://www.theguardian.com/environment/c...atmosphere
Science from The Guardian is pathetic. Here's a link to the paper. They used radiosonde balloon data. It describes numerous adjustments and interpolations to the sparse real data in order to create a signal out of nothing.
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/5...054007.pdf
The satellite data, the data that actually has complete coverage of the troposphere, shows no hot spot. That's in spite of satellite data agreeing with the radiosonde measurements where they overlap.
Here's a link with a map of radiosonde launch sites. Not many in the tropical regions other than in and around Indonesia.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/14/cl...ern-ocean/
05-18-2015, 04:06 PM
Quote:Whoever said that is no scientist. Ice shelves are floating ice, and melting floating ice does not change the sea level. The sea level increases from melting land ice (glaciers) and from thermal expansion as the oceans warm. The extraction and use of 'fossil water' is also significant.
http://eesc.columbia.edu/faculty/dr-douglas-g-martinson
Yes, clearly
05-20-2015, 10:08 AM
05-20-2015, 01:37 PM
Quote:So the Swiss have joined the liars list...
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2015/05/18/temperature-fibbers-being-investigated'>http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2015/05/18/temperature-fibbers-being-investigated</a>
Protip: whenever the title of an opinion piece is a question, the answer is always no.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3055646/Did-exaggerated-records-make-global-warming-look-worse-Scientists-investigate-adjusted-temperatures-skewed-data.html'>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3055646/Did-exaggerated-records-make-global-warming-look-worse-Scientists-investigate-adjusted-temperatures-skewed-data.html</a>
Just sounds like a right wing 'think tank' (almost an oxymoron there) is trying to conflate the science yet again. Yawn.
05-20-2015, 04:14 PM
Quote:Protip: whenever the title of an opinion piece is a question, the answer is always no.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3055646/Did-exaggerated-records-make-global-warming-look-worse-Scientists-investigate-adjusted-temperatures-skewed-data.html'>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3055646/Did-exaggerated-records-make-global-warming-look-worse-Scientists-investigate-adjusted-temperatures-skewed-data.html</a>
Just sounds like a right wing 'think tank' (almost an oxymoron there) is trying to conflate the science yet again. Yawn.
Super Pro-tip: Interogatives end with a "?"
05-20-2015, 05:40 PM
Quote:Super Pro-tip: Interogatives end with a "?"
That's actually rather elementary. But I see how you could be confused.
05-20-2015, 10:10 PM
Quote:That's actually rather elementary. But I see how you could be confused.
Yes, dealing with you is confusing, it's hard to imagine one could really believe the things you do.
05-21-2015, 09:06 AM
Ok ok, let's keep it clean guys. No need to get too personal
05-21-2015, 10:11 AM
Quote:Ok ok, let's keep it clean guys. No need to get too personal
^This^