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Quote:You're welcome to do so. People on here are wrong all the time, you won't be the first or last.

...nor you.

Blaine was aweful

on a side not, I don't sit in an arm chair.  I sit on a sectional couch that has a reclining mechanism so I can put my feet up...

 

Egads!!!  I just realized by couch sectional has an arm rest!  Oh man!

Quote:This. I'm failing to see the point of this thread.

 

You must not have watched today's game.

Quote:on a side not, I don't sit in an arm chair.  I sit on a sectional couch that has a reclining mechanism so I can put my feet up...

 

Egads!!!  I just realized by couch secional has an arm rest!  Oh man!

Right on. I also sit on a couch. Good choice sir.

Quote:In all of the Bortles threads I've seen a lot of excuses... "he's a rookie, rookie WRs, OL sucks, OC sucks, Bradley sucks etc." but not once has anybody ever given a reason why they think Bortles will be successful. Nothing that Bortles has ever done on the football field is ever mentioned. The OL being bad doesn't mean that Bortles is good. People say he's shown 'flashes'. What flashes are these? When? What games are you going to point to to say that he's shown the ability to be a franchise QB? Teddy and even Carr have had those games. Bortles hasn't. What qualities does Bortles have that make anybody think he'll be a franchise QB? Is it his accuracy? No, he routinely misses wide open receivers on easy throws. His decision making? He's replaced his terrible interceptions with terrible checkdowns. His pocket presence? It's terrible. Forget the excuses. What does Bortles do well?

He evades pretty well, he's strong, but his decisions and accuracy are highly suspect. I don't understand not being able to throw accurate short passes, draft another QB, if one of the two pans out great, if they both do even better. You got trade material or a reliable backup.

Quote:He evades pretty well, he's strong, but his decisions and accuracy are highly suspect. I don't understand not being able to throw accurate short passes, draft another QB, if one of the two pans out great, if they both do even better. You got trade material or a reliable backup.

I imagine they will draft another qb for development. I just don't think we are going to see one taken early.

Quote:I imagine they will draft another qb for development. I just don't think we are going to see one taken early.

I don't get that it's a new era with the rookie pay scale, evolve and treat the most important position like it is the most important position.

Quote:we couldve had mack and carr, the raiders have a foundation to build on both side of the ball

Knowing our luck, Carr would've been crushed and mack would've been out for the season with a hamstring injury. Let's just see what kind of foundation we really have and what the real plan is going forward because I believe both bradley and caldwell are entering their last year of their contract

Quote:I don't get that it's a new era with the rookie pay scale, evolve and treat the most important position like it is the most important position.

Draft picks are still valuable, and opportunity cost is real. It's just too soon to decide Blake won't be the guy and invest a top pick on another qb. We have way too many holes, and we need to fill them to give Blake or whomever comes after a chance.

Bortles isn't garbage. He's a rookie who needed time to develop. Those trying to declare him a bust were also the ones demanding the Jags start him sooner rather than later saying the experience was more valuable than allowing him to develop and improve his mechanics. You got what you wanted, and as some here predicted, if the rookie struggled the same folks would be the first to declare him a bust.

Quote:Bortles isn't garbage. He's a rookie who needed time to develop. Those trying to declare him a bust were also the ones demanding the Jags start him sooner rather than later saying the experience was more valuable than allowing him to develop and improve his mechanics. You got what you wanted, and as some here predicted, if the rookie struggled the same folks would be the first to declare him a bust.

Yeah, there is definitely some of that going on. I'm still glad he got the experience, but look forward to seeing him after another off-season to work on the mechanics.

Quote:Yeah, there is definitely some of that going on. I'm still glad he got the experience, but look forward to seeing him after another off-season to work on the mechanics.

Having a full off season to focus on mechanics and to continue to build his playbook understanding will make a world of difference. Anyone with two eyes and a functional IQ could see the flashes. He just needs the time to develop.

Quote:Bortles accuracy on short throws concerns me the most.

That throw he missed on the receiver crossing under on 3rd down was complete trash.  I'm not sure if it's because he's so skittish in the pocket, but that was an easy pass.  It landed right in the dirt.

Quote:Draft picks are still valuable, and opportunity cost is real. It's just too soon to decide Blake won't be the guy and invest a top pick on another qb. We have way too many holes, and we need to fill them to give Blake or whomever comes after a chance.

At this point, I just don't think Bortles is the guy (hope I'm wrong) therefore next year is lost then the year after that trying out another rookie is lost too. Bortles could be an adequate back up and may continue to develop, but if competition is good at other positions, and I believe it is, than why not at the most important position. Caldwell drafted lots of wr's ans secondary I don't think two QB's in three years is too much especially when you have zero proven QB's on the roster.

We have the project of all project QB's. Has all the intangibles and can make clutch plays but has never been coached fundamentals at high school or college so basically he's going off instincts. You can teach a guy anything but if its not the norm and you're rushed you'll go to whats comfortable which for him is poor mechanics. I'm guessing this is the first off season that'll he'll be throwing with someone unlike the others who had "gurus" etc. This is all on the coaching, we've seen and most importantly they're seen what he can do with coaching on it. Now they have to make sure they lead him in the right direction this off season. But one thing, the interest in these constant bunch receiver sets has to stop

Quote:Bortles isn't garbage. He's a rookie who needed time to develop. Those trying to declare him a bust were also the ones demanding the Jags start him sooner rather than later saying the experience was more valuable than allowing him to develop and improve his mechanics. You got what you wanted, and as some here predicted, if the rookie struggled the same folks would be the first to declare him a bust.

Agreed. This offseason will be spent by him fixing those mechanics I'm sure. And without having to learn a new playbook or system, he'll have even more time to focus on just that. I think it was Phil Simms who even said he can definitely fix those mechanically issues into muscle memory in one full offseason now of focusing just on that.


He also has the Jags rookie passing yards record after missing 2.5 games, the Jags rookie single game comp % record, and led us to the largest comeback win in franchise history. Yeah, he's terrible.

Quote:At this point, I just don't think Bortles is the guy (hope I'm wrong) therefore next year is lost then the year after that trying out another rookie is lost too. Bortles could be an adequate back up and may continue to develop, but if competition is good at other positions, and I believe it is, than why not at the most important position. Caldwell drafted lots of wr's ans secondary I don't think two QB's in three years is too much especially when you have zero proven QB's on the roster.

I think you're wrong.  It's a perfect storm of a team to not help a ROOKIE.  He cannot depend on the O-Line, WRs, TE, or running game.  He's forced to do everything on his own.  You can't fault him for that.  If he was Manning/Brady playing like this, then there would be a problem.  The kid has ZERO experience.

Quote:Yeah, there is definitely some of that going on. I'm still glad he got the experience, but look forward to seeing him after another off-season to work on the mechanics.

I hope they can teach accuracy, I just kind of think you have it or you don't, I can't recall an elite QB who didn't have it and then learned it.

Quote:I think you're wrong.  It's a perfect storm of a team to not help a ROOKIE.  He cannot depend on the O-Line, WRs, TE, or running game.  He's forced to do everything on his own.  You can't fault him for that.  If he was Manning/Brady playing like this, then there would be a problem.  The kid has ZERO experience.

He doesn't have accuracy either, that's his biggest issue. Experience can help with decisions, but throwing an accurate ball I'm not so sure.