Quote:At this point, I just don't think Bortles is the guy (hope I'm wrong) therefore next year is lost then the year after that trying out another rookie is lost too. Bortles could be an adequate back up and may continue to develop, but if competition is good at other positions, and I believe it is, than why not at the most important position. Caldwell drafted lots of wr's ans secondary I don't think two QB's in three years is too much especially when you have zero proven QB's on the roster.
Competition is not good enough at most positions. And I understand if you feel he's not the guy why you'd want to draft a qb, but I can't imagine coming to that conclusion after 13 games. I'm for giving the guy the best chance to succeed, and that means adding quality players around him.
If he's not the guy, at least whoever follows won't walk into the same train wreck situation.
Which doesn't mean they shouldn't draft a qb, just not early.
Quote:He's still a rookie. Not every pass is gonna be on the money. How about the 5 passes that were on the money and dropped?
The throws that he misses should not he missed on an Nfl level. i am ok with semi difficult misses. you cannot routinley miss 5 yard outs and 9 yard curls
Quote:Having a full off season to focus on mechanics and to continue to build his playbook understanding will make a world of difference. Anyone with two eyes and a functional IQ could see the flashes. He just needs the time to develop.
Exactly. Anyone calling him garbage and wanting him replaced should be forced to watch every Gabbert start and see the difference.
Quote:I hope they can teach accuracy, I just kind of think you have it or you don't, I can't recall an elite QB who didn't have it and then learned it.
His accuracy is tied to his fundamentals...which was better against Tennessee but was rough shod against Houston today. There were maybe a handful of throws where he actually used his body and stepped into a throw. Otherwise, he was basically throwing with just his arm leading to the wobbly and inaccurate passes.
I think there's two things that need to happen:
1. an off-season spent on honing his mechanics and fundamentals so he can return to the form we saw in preseason and even 1-2 games into the season
2. the OL MUST improve. I don't think there's any coincidence that his mechanics went to the dumps the more and more he ran for his life.
That 4th down pass he made was money. He stepped into that, and wasn't going to go down without a fight to extend the drive, then at the end If he would have not had pressure in his face, I'm pretty confident he would have completed that pass to Shorts in the endzone.
Quote:That 4th down pass he made was money. He stepped into that, and wasn't going to go down without a fight to extend the drive, then at the end If he would have not had pressure in his face, I'm pretty confident he would have completed that pass to Shorts in the endzone.
He was better off running and picking up extra yards rather than forcing that throw (which was dangerous anyway). Its another one of those "decision making" things he needs to polish. There were several times this season when he insisted on looking downfield rather than just tucking it in and picking up what the defense gave him.
Quote:That 4th down pass he made was money. He stepped into that, and wasn't going to go down without a fight to extend the drive, then at the end If he would have not had pressure in his face, I'm pretty confident he would have completed that pass to Shorts in the endzone.
Exactly. When he's given time and he steps into his throw instead of just using his arm, he delivers a really nice ball with zip and accuracy. We saw it far to seldomly this season though upon being named starter.
Quote:He was better off running and picking up extra yards rather than forcing that throw (which was dangerous anyway). Its another one of those "decision making" things he needs to polish. There were several times this season when he insisted on looking downfield rather than just tucking it in and picking up what the defense gave him.
I think that's due to him not wanting to run the football all the time. He wants to be in the pocket, and complete the pass. on 1st and goal, instead of trying to throw across his body, I felt he should have ran there. He would have put the team in better position to score.
Quote:I think that's due to him not wanting to run the football all the time. He wants to be in the pocket, and complete the pass. on 1st and goal, instead of trying to throw across his body, I felt he should have ran there. He would have put the team in better position to score.
He needs to find that fine line. For the most part, its good that he keeps his eyes downfield and should be beneficial as he gets more experience. But sometimes, he just needs to take what's there, tuck it, and run.
Quote:Im tired of this crap. Everyone said how much trash Blaine was his first year then this guy gets a free pass? We will be 4-12 next year book it! For the love of God please draft Mariota.
Have you seen Mariota? He's tall and built like a twig. Pretty sure the NFL would see it's first homicide on the field, if he were drafted by us.
Quote:I think that's due to him not wanting to run the football all the time. He wants to be in the pocket, and complete the pass. on 1st and goal, instead of trying to throw across his body, I felt he should have ran there. He would have put the team in better position to score.
All that being said, Shorts dropped it.....right where he alone could catch it.....at the end of the day, you need your guys to do what they're paid to do.....that's been at fault all around the offense at the worst times
Quote:All that being said, Shorts dropped it.....right where he alone could catch it.....at the end of the day, you need your guys to do what they're paid to do.....that's been at fault all around the offense at the worst times
I'm pretty sure Cecil got blasted as soon as the ball got there. Blake should have never thrown that ball. It was a cluster that he had two of his own receivers essentially run into each other (Lee and Cecil).
Quote:The throws that he misses should not he missed on an Nfl level. i am ok with semi difficult misses. you cannot routinley miss 5 yard outs and 9 yard curls
This is what concerns me. He misses too many easy throws. Yea maybe it's fundamentals but how much can that be taught? I realize these guys spend all offseason working on footwork, arm position, etc.... but can that be completely overhauled? To the point where you'll never revert back in the face of pressure?
Hopefully it can be. Early in the season he looked great but as the season wore on he seemed to get worse and worse. Maybe he just needs a few offseasons to work out the kinks.
Quote:I'm pretty sure Cecil got blasted as soon as the ball got there. Blake should have never thrown that ball. It was a cluster that he had two of his own receivers essentially run into each other (Lee and Cecil).
Two receivers running into each other is either an incorrect route, or a bad play design (why not both?). Neither would surprise me.
Blake had his share of bad throws today too, but I can't say that one was bad. It should have been a TD.
Unfortunately, that was the way the whole game went, and really how the whole season went. Every play, somebody takes their turn at screwing up.
Quote:Two receivers running into each other is either an incorrect route, or a bad play design (why not both?). Neither would surprise me.
Blake had his share of bad throws today too, but I can't say that one was bad. It should have been a TD.
Unfortunately, that was the way the whole game went, and really how the whole season went. Every play, somebody takes their turn at screwing up.
I'd call it a bad route/play design if it hadn't been a scramble situation. At that point, I'd venture that both Cecil and Lee were trying to give Blake a spot to throw to. Unfortunately, since it was a scramble and in the endzone...there just wasn't that big of a real estate and both ran out and ended up running into each other.
Quote:Two receivers running into each other is either an incorrect route, or a bad play design (why not both?). Neither would surprise me.
Blake had his share of bad throws today too, but I can't say that one was bad. It should have been a TD.
Unfortunately, that was the way the whole game went, and really how the whole season went. Every play, somebody takes their turn at screwing up.
Do you honestly think the play design was for two guys to run into eachother?
Quote:Im tired of this crap. Everyone said how much trash Blaine was his first year then this guy gets a free pass? We will be 4-12 next year book it! For the love of God please draft Mariota.
Yeah, I suspect this sort of thing will be one of the common themes starting today. While I share your opinion to a degree, the record the team ended up with should really not surprise anyone. Dis-appointing season.....oh yeah without a doubt, but I predicted in the pre season that this Jaguars teeam will only go as far as the OL takes them. That was THEE BIG question mark at seasons start and the season has ended with the OL being even a BIGGER question. Frankly, Bortles had a mediocre season and it matters not that he is a rookie. Peyton Manning would have had a sub par season on this team. To put in into a more personal perspective, if Chad Henne would have remained our starter, the final record probably wouldn't look any worse than it finished up with Bortles. That's debatable but one thing is not. It matters not who is behind center. When the OL can't run block or pass block worth a hoot, the record screams out at anyone who knows football............that is THEE #1 subject that needs to be addressed in the off season. Keeping guys or letting them go is something great thought will need to go into but if a thorough cleaning of house is the action the organization takes........so be it. IMO............until the OL greatly improves, this team is going NOWHERE. If Bortles improves greatly (which he needs to focus on) it still won't matter all that much if the OL next year is more of the same as this year.
Quote:I'd call it a bad route/play design if it hadn't been a scramble situation. At that point, I'd venture that both Cecil and Lee were trying to give Blake a spot to throw to. Unfortunately, since it was a scramble and in the endzone...there just wasn't that big of a real estate and both ran out and ended up running into each other.
Really? You're familiar with the play, the routes, and where both players were supposed to be?
Quote:Bortles isn't garbage. He's a rookie who needed time to develop. Those trying to declare him a bust were also the ones demanding the Jags start him sooner rather than later saying the experience was more valuable than allowing him to develop and improve his mechanics. You got what you wanted, and as some here predicted, if the rookie struggled the same folks would be the first to declare him a bust.
Have to agree here. They had a really good plan to red shirt him thinking his mechanics would regress and it happened.
Calling him a bust is way premature. I'd like to have seen any rookie QB come into these conditions and do wrll.