Quote:I'm curious. How can your kids get into college or earn a college degree if you home school them?
That's not a dig. I'm genuinely curious.
Quote:Home school degrees are equal to high school degrees. The overwhelming majority of colleges and universities will accept them equally.
To add to this, and I could be wrong. I believe that most colleges require a student to take some kind of entrance exam (SAT/ACT). Home-schooled and charter-schooled children probably do better on average.
Quote:Public education in my area does not meet my standards.
What are you teaching them that public school isn't? Besides anti-social behavior.
Also, why are you piping in at all if you don't have children in the system?
Quote:What are you teaching them that public school isn't? Besides anti-social behavior.
Also, why are you piping in at all if you don't have children in the system?
My guess is probably the important things like reading, writing, arithmetic, science, etc. As they get older they probably are learning lessons in finance, government, history, civics, etc.
Public school government indoctrination centers don't teach that.
Quote:What are you teaching them that public school isn't? Besides anti-social behavior.
Also, why are you piping in at all if you don't have children in the system?
You are speaking from a position of extreme ignorance. Shameful.
My children are not in the system because the system does not meet my standards.
What am I teaching them that public school isn't? We work at the pace of our children's interest and ability, based on the Montesorri style. For example, my oldest is adept at mathematics and showed an interest in physics at a young age, so we started teaching him physics when he was in the 4th grade.
Quote:To add to this, and I could be wrong. I believe that most colleges require a student to take some kind of entrance exam (SAT/ACT). Home-schooled and charter-schooled children probably do better on average.
True. Home schooled children
do typically score higher.
Problem is you will no doubt be teaching them a very one sided view of the world and not opening them up to differing view points. Not to mention the lack of socialisation which is what schools about.
Quote:Problem is you will no doubt be teaching them a very one sided view of the world and not opening them up to differing view points. Not to mention the lack of socialisation which is what schools about.
A poor assumption. You have no idea what we do. Also, socialization is not what school is about. It is about becoming educated and prepared for the world outside of your parents wings.
And who said you get a well-defined world view in public school? That is certainly not the case when I went to public school.
Quote:This is a pretty terrible analogy. McDonalds will hire the totally inexperienced to work the grills. Kids who can't even count change in high school are hired to work the grills in fast food.
The executive leader of education in the US is not in any way, shape, or form equal to the technical task of flipping a hamburger. You cherry picked a few examples where she didn't meet your standard, but in potentially thousands of other areas she either meets or exceeds the requirements. She has a long record of experience researching and passing legislation in regards to public education.
Navigating the complexities of this function is significantly more involved than manning the grill at McDonalds.
According to you, she researched.. not enough to avoid looking totally clueless during the vetting process.. maybe someone who is such a poor study on the area she is supposed to be in charge of shouldn't be given that responsibility.
She has experience working with people who supposedly know the field. That qualifies her? If I worked with a guy who used to be a veterinarian, does that make me qualified to remove a benign tumor from a cat? All that means is she has people she can consult.
Translation: she doesn't know enough about the role to give any autonomous answer to any question she is ever asked related to that role. If you want proof, just look at her gross inability to respond to basic questions during her inquiry.
Would you like fries with that?
Quote:A poor assumption. You have no idea what we do. Also, socialization is not what school is about. It is about becoming educated and prepared for the world outside of your parents wings.
And who said you get a well-defined world view in public school? That is certainly not the case when I went to public school.
Actually, socialization is a huge part of going to school. You have to be able to work with other people and understand how to treat them. I know that if I stayed home my whole life, there are a lot of things I would know today. That's not to say that your kids are missing out but for me, I'm glad I went to public school. I was the minority at my HS (white male) which isn't the norm but it helped make me who I am today
Quote:Problem is you will no doubt be teaching them a very one sided view of the world and not opening them up to differing view points. Not to mention the lack of socialisation which is what schools about.
The problem with this assumption is wrong in many ways.
1. Presenting the facts and nothing more actually educates rather than indoctrinates. Let the child decide their own view of the world.
2. To educate means to teach ALL viewpoints, not just a liberal or conservative point-of-view.
Public education government indoctrination centers do not teach the conservative point-of-view.
3. School is not about "socialization", it's about education.
Quote:A poor assumption. You have no idea what we do. Also, socialization is not what school is about. It is about becoming educated and prepared for the world outside of your parents wings.
And who said you get a well-defined world view in public school? That is certainly not the case when I went to public school.
I think school is the perfect place to be prepared for the world outside of your parents wings. Especially high school.
Quote:Actually, socialization is a huge part of going to school. You have to be able to work with other people and understand how to treat them. I know that if I stayed home my whole life, there are a lot of things I would know today. That's not to say that your kids are missing out but for me, I'm glad I went to public school. I was the minority at my HS (white male) which isn't the norm but it helped make me who I am today
Not really. Military boot camp teaches that basic lesson. Contrary to your belief, children that are home schooled do socialize with other students.
The point is though, that's not the purpose of schools.
Quote:Not really. Military boot camp teaches that basic lesson. Contrary to your belief, children that are home schooled do socialize with other students.
The point is though, that's not the purpose of schools.
I've seen home schooled kids come into a public school and the majority have a hard time adjusting. Not because they don't know their math or reading but because they don't know how to interact with other students.
Socialization is a big part of school whether you believe it or not. I see it every day.
I also never said it's the reason they go to school but it is a part of it.
Quote:I think school is the perfect place to be prepared for the world outside of your parents wings. Especially high school.
Not really. Public school didn't teach me about saving and investing. Public school didn't teach me anything about dealing with and/or working with different races of people. Schools today are teaching that "everybody's a winner and there are no losers". That's not true in the real world.
Actual fact and I'll probably get blasted for this: I never really had to deal with black people while I was in school. It wasn't until I joined the military that I was exposed to a black person from a large city. Needless to say it was "awkward" to say the least. I had also never dealt with someone white raised in the south as a bigot. I was forced to confront both when I entered military service and you know what? All of us learned to work together.
My point is that the world is a big place full of a diverse number and kind of people. The job of the education system is not to teach "social skills", it's to teach basic skills. That job is NOT a requirement of the U.S. Government.
Quote:Not really. Public school didn't teach me about saving and investing. Public school didn't teach me anything about dealing with and/or working with different races of people. Schools today are teaching that "everybody's a winner and there are no losers". That's not true in the real world.
Actual fact and I'll probably get blasted for this: I never really had to deal with black people while I was in school. It wasn't until I joined the military that I was exposed to a black person from a large city. Needless to say it was "awkward" to say the least. I had also never dealt with someone white raised in the south as a bigot. I was forced to confront both when I entered military service and you know what? All of us learned to work together.
My point is that the world is a big place full of a diverse number and kind of people. The job of the education system is not to teach "social skills", it's to teach basic skills. That job is NOT a requirement of the U.S. Government.
When was the last time you were in a school? Your thoughts seem very outdated.
A school teaches so many different things other than just reading, writing and math. It appears no matter what I say about this, you will have a very jaded view of public schools. There is a lot of good that goes on in them and at my school I teach at, there is a wide range of students. Students that come from low income families and high income families. Students of all races and religions. They learn to respect one another and work together even through their differences.
It seems you didn't have a very good public school experience and that sucks. You're free to come up to Maryland and check out my school. I think you would be surprised.
Also.... in my PE class, we learn how to accept losing and learn from it. It's not always "everyone's a winner."
Quote:I've seen home schooled kids come into a public school and the majority have a hard time adjusting. Not because they don't know their math or reading but because they don't know how to interact with other students.
Socialization is a big part of school whether you believe it or not. I see it every day.
I also never said it's the reason they go to school but it is a part of it.
Could it be that the "hard time adjusting" has to do with the structured environment?
I doubt the "don't know how to interact" statement. My grandson (goes to
public school government indoctrination) has a couple of friends that are "home-schooled" and they interact just fine together. What is more interesting is that the home-schooled children happen to be a different race, age and sex (in a couple of cases) than my grandson. They all interact and play just fine together. I even had his friends come over to go swimming in our pool.
The supposed "need" for "socialization" or interaction in
public schools government indoctrination centers is pretty much false.
Quote:Could it be that the "hard time adjusting" has to do with the structured environment?
I doubt the "don't know how to interact" statement. My grandson (goes to <del>public school </del>government indoctrination) has a couple of friends that are "home-schooled" and they interact just fine together. What is more interesting is that the home-schooled children happen to be a different race, age and sex (in a couple of cases) than my grandson. They all interact and play just fine together. I even had his friends come over to go swimming in our pool.
The supposed "need" for "socialization" or interaction in <del>public schools</del> government indoctrination centers is pretty much false.
You have a grandson?
So, if you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
Quote:I'm curious. How can your kids get into college or earn a college degree if you home school them?
That's not a dig. I'm genuinely curious.
Home school diplomas/transcripts are reviewed the same as as any school transcript. SAT/ACT are available to anyone. In Florida a home schooled student must review the portfolio with a certified teacher each year to assure the student is working at the minimum grade level.
Quote:When was the last time you were in a school? Your thoughts seem very outdated.
A school teaches so many different things other than just reading, writing and math. It appears no matter what I say about this, you will have a very jaded view of public schools. There is a lot of good that goes on in them and at my school I teach at, there is a wide range of students. Students that come from low income families and high income families. Students of all races and religions. They learn to respect one another and work together even through their differences.
It seems you didn't have a very good public school experience and that sucks. You're free to come up to Maryland and check out my school. I think you would be surprised.
Also.... in my PE class, we learn how to accept losing and learn from it. It's not always "everyone's a winner."
I exited public school in the early '80's. My point of view might seem "outdated" to someone much younger than me.
That being said, school is about
learning. That's been taken away on so many levels. In today's schools, kids don't actually
learn, they are
indoctrinated and in a vast majority of the cases it's to the left. What do schools teach about guns? What about the civil war? What about the civil rights fight? Instead of actual FACTS students are taught OPINION.
I don't doubt that you or other teachers do an excellent job, but let me ask you this since you're a PE coach. I don't know what grade you teach, but it doesn't really matter. Would you allow your students to play "smear the queer"? What about dodge ball? Are any of your students allowed to "lose" a game? Are any allowed to fail? I ask this because
failure is a very important lesson to teach.
Take a look at today's "millennials". They (along with many liberals) can't handle the fact that a "conservative" (or Republican) is going to enter the White House in a couple of days. Many "protests" are planned for the inauguration because they actually can't handle the fact that they LOST.
Quote:You have a grandson?
So, if you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
I don't mind you asking. I won't give my actual age, but it's 50+.
Quote:I exited public school in the early '80's. My point of view might seem "outdated" to someone much younger than me.
That being said, school is about learning. That's been taken away on so many levels. In today's schools, kids don't actually learn, they are indoctrinated and in a vast majority of the cases it's to the left. What do schools teach about guns? What about the civil war? What about the civil rights fight? Instead of actual FACTS students are taught OPINION.
I don't doubt that you or other teachers do an excellent job, but let me ask you this since you're a PE coach. I don't know what grade you teach, but it doesn't really matter. Would you allow your students to play "smear the queer"? What about dodge ball? Are any of your students allowed to "lose" a game? Are any allowed to fail? I ask this because failure is a very important lesson to teach.
Take a look at today's "millennials". They (along with many liberals) can't handle the fact that a "conservative" (or Republican) is going to enter the White House in a couple of days. Many "protests" are planned for the inauguration because they actually can't handle the fact that they LOST.
No. I don't play "smear the queer" because no one plays that. I do a form of dodgeball but with not those big red rubber balls you probably used. Kids lose all the time in my class and they learn how to handle losing and what they can learn from it.
Failure is an extremely important of life and I teach that to every student who has come through my school. Just today I told a kid "look. There will be people better than you at things. That just means you need to work harder."
Public schools have a lot of really great teachers. There are also bad teachers but I grew up in a public school and teach at one so I think there is a lot of good that goes on. Kids are allowed to be creative and read about almost anything they want. Maryland and Montgomery County where I teach has a lot of positives.
So you may think it's one thing but in reality, it could be very different. Every kid is different and public school doesn't work for everyone but it works for a lot of kids.