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Quote:This guy just made a solid post and listed what is wrong and does not like about our rookie QB. The first thing the nut huggers jump on is to question someone's knowledge of the game. Don't be stupid and stubborn. The QB is not good. 

Again i was not attacking him. I really wanted to know because every year I'm on this board it becomes more evident what posters have watched a lot of football and who have not. Its not to call anybody out but if you haven't watched much football some of the stuff you see may appear to be foreign and completely terrible when in actuality it is the norm. You are a poster who likes to rattle the cage and get everyone up in arms. I realize that because I have been here for a while now and can see that.You have an agenda 

 

I was more so trying to start a conversation and explain the point that this is normal for him. Hell we just played Tannehill who throw a pick in the endzone. That guy is in year 3. It takes time for these guys t learn. Luck is not the norm sorry.  

Quote:Again i was not attacking him. I really wanted to know because every year I'm on this board it becomes more evident what posters have watched a lot of football and who have not. Its not to call anybody out but if you haven't watched much football some of the stuff you see may appear to be foreign and completely terrible when in actuality it is the norm. You are a poster who likes to rattle the cage and get everyone up in arms. I realize that because I have been here for a while now and can see that.You have an agenda 

 

I was more so trying to start a conversation and explain the point that this is normal for him. Hell we just played Tannehill who throw a pick in the endzone. That guy is in year 3. It takes time for these guys t learn. Luck is not the norm sorry.  

 

I do have an agenda. I want to win. Thats it.

I still want to know when 63% became bad accuracy for a rookie QB.  And for once we're not saying "not counting drops" like we did with Gabbs.  I mean we're still having drops, but now we're not counting them in favor of our QB.  Even when they do hit them in their hands.

 

We need a veteran WR out there.  It'd be nice if we could trade Shorts and maybe a 6th for a good veteran WR.  I mean I like shorts, don't get me wrong.  But we need the veteran presence on the field for our Rookie QB.  

Come on it's way too soon to throw in the towel on BB. It's not like he was pro ready coming out. Everyone knew he'd take time to develop. He'll be just fine.

Quote:I am absolutely shaken. I don't have any historical evidence that shows the Jaguars can produce a franchise QB, nor do I see a QB on the field playing like a potential franchise QB. These past few games have been very bad even for rookie play. I want to wear the teal glasses like the homers do but unfortunately I can't.

 

He isn't winning games, he is costing us games.

He is inaccurate.

He is inconsistent.

He makes bad decisions.

 

Even for a rookie, a potential franchise QB would not be doing all four of those things.

Wish the other delusionals were objective and could be this rational but they'll hide behind the rookie title and teal glasses. Bortles looked like a 6th round qb out there the past two weeks. They said he'll learn but he did he learn from last week throwing three picks? Meanwhile Bridgewater and his stacked offense(sarcastic) is out here bringing his team back and winning games, Watkins looks like another Dez Bryant, and we have a qb that looks horrible. Not saying drop him just yet but when they drafted him I thought he would look way better than this.

Quote:To be more clear, my long term confidence in BB5 isn't shaken based on his performance the past 2 games.

 

Me neither.  I think it's important to realize that BB5 is amidst a transition.  The 0-Line is constantly changing...  Joekell was hurt.  Bowanko is a rook.  Linder is a rook.  He's playing with rookies all around him

 

 

Fish is calling good plays. 

 

We have Shoelace.

 

It's all a matter of figuring out all the potential.  Hurns dropped a couple balls, but then redeemed himself.  Same with AR-15.  And Shoelace is the type of RB you need in this type of offense.

 

We have alot of things to be positive about.  The main weakness right now is our rookie QB.  I'll take that. 

 

Now if BB5 continues to make the horrible decisions he's made so far this season, we need to get off him ASAP.

 

It's up to him to figure it out

Quote:I still want to know when 63% became bad accuracy for a rookie QB.  And for once we're not saying "not counting drops" like we did with Gabbs.  I mean we're still having drops, but now we're not counting them in favor of our QB.  Even when they do hit them in their hands.

 

We need a veteran WR out there.  It'd be nice if we could trade Shorts and maybe a 6th for a good veteran WR.  I mean I like shorts, don't get me wrong.  But we need the veteran presence on the field for our Rookie QB.  

 

 

I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything...  But you do realize that your accuracy % isn't worth squat if you throw 2 pick 6's...

Quote:Wish the other delusionals were objective and could be this rational but they'll hide behind the rookie title and teal glasses. Bortles looked like a 6th round qb out there the past two weeks. They said he'll learn but he did he learn from last week throwing three picks? Meanwhile Bridgewater and his stacked offense(sarcastic) is out here bringing his team back and winning games, Watkins looks like another Dez Bryant, and we have a qb that looks horrible. Not saying drop him just yet but when they drafted him I thought he would look way better than this.

 

Bridgewater barely beat the frickin' Buccaneers.  And who exactly do you want throwing to Sammy Watkins?  Chad Henne? 

Quote:The worst two things to happen to rookie quarterback expectations were Cam Newton and Ben Roethlisburger.

That, and the 2012 QB class.

Quote:Wish the other delusionals were objective and could be this rational but they'll hide behind the rookie title and teal glasses. Bortles looked like a 6th round qb out there the past two weeks. They said he'll learn but he did he learn from last week throwing three picks? Meanwhile Bridgewater and his stacked offense(sarcastic) is out here bringing his team back and winning games, Watkins looks like another Dez Bryant, and we have a qb that looks horrible. Not saying drop him just yet but when they drafted him I thought he would look way better than this.

Bridgewater has been awful

Quote:I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything...  But you do realize that your accuracy % isn't worth squat if you throw 2 pick 6's...

 

Since when did stating the obvious equate to being a jerk?

 

Oh yeah, this is 2014.

Also, it's not about a vet WR.  It's about a QB that has confidence in his O-Line and can recognize that his first read isn't there.

 

BB5 is aggressive. Which I like.

 

But he's still not confident enough to go through his progressions.  His INTs are all because he makes his decision pre-snap,. 

 

Don't get me wrong, his pre-snap reads are usually correct.  But when he doesn't get it right... OH MAN.  IT HURTS!!!

Quote:Bridgewater barely beat the frickin' Buccaneers.  And who exactly do you want throwing to Sammy Watkins?  Chad Henne? 

 

 

Who cares?  Bridgwater sux.  BB5 is the correct QB to have.  It's a matter of having the correct QB progress properly

Quote:Since when did stating the obvious equate to being a jerk?

 

Oh yeah, this is 2014.

 

 

Jerk.  Stop saying things that are true.   :thanks:

Quote:Maybe that is so, but do you know many rookie QBs who threw a 1:2 td:int ratio with a good portion of those interceptions being pick 6's and going to become a successful franchise QB?

 

There aren't many. Maybe the Jaguars get lucky though and have a QB that falls into that category. Then again, this is Jaguars football.

Terry Bradshaw threw 24 picks to 6 touchdowns his rookie (worse than Blakes 2:1 ratio) and had four games where he threw 4 picks that same season, Jim Zorn threw 27 picks to 12 touchdowns his rookie year and 45% completion, Troy Aikman threw 18 picks to 9 touchdowns his rookie year, Joe Namath threw 16 picks to 4 touchdowns. There are other who had more interceptions but a found a few who had the qualifier of 2:1 ratio. Nonetheless this is nothing new. Just have some patience. I may not click until midway next year or year three but eventually it will. We hear this stuff every year. Some rookie plays like trash and he's a bust then 3 year later he's tops in the league. Can we at least agree that it is too early to give up on the guy right now after game 4? 

Quote:I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything...  But you do realize that your accuracy % isn't worth squat if you throw 2 pick 6's...

It does when people are complaining about his accuracy.  

 

People focus only on the negative here.  "HERP DERP HE THREW TWO PICK SIXES!  TOTAL BUST!"  He made two terrible and costly mistakes.  It happens.   


Eli Manning threw 3 Pick Sixes in a game against the Vikings.  Two of them thrown back to back.  The same year he won the Super Bowl.  They're terrible mistakes, but they happen.


Too many people are willing to write Bortles off because he's made a lot of mistakes.  Better for him to get them out of the way this year, than next.  The interceptions don't bother me.  If he's still throwing them at the same pace next year, then they will bother me.  This year I expect them.  Especially with the group of players we have.  

Quote:Who cares?  Bridgwater sux.  BB5 is the correct QB to have.  It's a matter of having the correct QB progress properly

So you already know who's going to have a better career and who's a bust?

Fisch needs to quit these naked bootlegs. Fools no one. Let Bortles drop back n scan.

Remember guys:  Blaine Gabbert threw 11 ints in 15 games; Bortles already has 12 in 5 games.

Quote:Terry Bradshaw threw 24 picks to 6 touchdowns his rookie (worse than Blakes 2:1 ratio) and had four games where he threw 4 picks that same season, Jim Zorn threw 27 picks to 12 touchdowns his rookie year and 45% completion, Troy Aikman threw 18 picks to 9 touchdowns his rookie year, Joe Namath threw 16 picks to 4 touchdowns. There are other who had more interceptions but a found a few who had the qualifier of 2:1 ratio. Nonetheless this is nothing new. Just have some patience. I may not click until midway next year or year three but eventually it will. We hear this stuff every year. Some rookie plays like trash and he's a bust then 3 year later he's tops in the league. Can we at least agree that it is too early to give up on the guy right now after game 4? 

 

So based on that list of QBs, we have a small and extremely unlikely chance BB turns out to be a franchise QB, considering there have been literally hundreds of QBs who turned out the opposite.

 

Damn.