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Quote:Adjusting to a different QB is less of a challenge for an offensive line than adjusting to what amounts to 3 new starters in 3 weeks with McClendon, Bowanko, and Young being plugged in and removed over the first 3 weeks. Offensive lines don't just hit the ground running, especially when 2 of your 3 changes so far involve the center position. 

It is still and adjustment that wouldn't have had to be done right now.  They could have been doing that for the first 3 weeks.  I do appreciate that you are understanding that a QB change requires an adjustment now though.  You seemed to dismiss that point earlier in the conversation. 

Quote:Actually that is how a line develops.  They have to play with the quarterback to develop and learn the quarterbacks strengths and weaknesses.  They learn that Blake can roll out and extend plays, so they in turn also learn they have to hold blocks longer.  They learn that Blake steps up into the pocket, so they also in turn learn that they need to push the defenders away so he can step up into the pocket.  All of these things are part of a line developing to play.  

 

Don't get me wrong like you have done.  They also need to develop with the 2 new guys on the line, but they also have to develop with the QB.  Had they been playing together for the past 3 weeks, it would be easier for the guys to help the new guys get up to speed on how they play with Blake.  It does happen that way whether you want to believe it or not.  Different groups of the offense need to develop with the QB.  It doesn't matter what group that is.  

 

I understand they need to adjust to the QB.  But, in the grand scheme of things, if the line is in a constant state of change, which has indeed been the case through the first 3 weeks of the season, it really matters very little who the QB is behind them. 

Quote:I understand they need to adjust to the QB.  But, in the grand scheme of things, if the line is in a constant state of change, which has indeed been the case through the first 3 weeks of the season, it really matters very little who the QB is behind them. 

The line was being changed I have agreed with that all along.  I was just pointing out that they have to learn to play with the QB as well as each other.  The rest of the offense has to learn with the new QB as well.  That could have been started in week 1 is what I was saying.  I feel it should have been started in week 1.  

Quote:It is still and adjustment that wouldn't have had to be done right now.  They could have been doing that for the first 3 weeks.  I do appreciate that you are understanding that a QB change requires an adjustment now though.  You seemed to dismiss that point earlier in the conversation. 

 

I didn't miss the need for adjustment with a QB change.  I think it's not as much of an impact as seeing your line in a state of flux.  Even if it's just 2 positions, that's a big deal for a unit that relies more than others on the chemistry between the players.  Boselli, someone I tend to think knows what he's talking about when it comes to playing on the line said as much in pregame yesterday that developing chemistry between the linemen is critical so that if one guy makes a mistake, one of the others can adjust to make up for it.  If you've got guys out there who haven't worked together as a unit for more than a handful of practices, that's a problem.  They're not working together as a unit. 

Quote:I didn't miss the need for adjustment with a QB change.  I think it's not as much of an impact as seeing your line in a state of flux.  Even if it's just 2 positions, that's a big deal for a unit that relies more than others on the chemistry between the players.  Boselli, someone I tend to think knows what he's talking about when it comes to playing on the line said as much in pregame yesterday that developing chemistry between the linemen is critical so that if one guy makes a mistake, one of the others can adjust to make up for it.  If you've got guys out there who haven't worked together as a unit for more than a handful of practices, that's a problem.  They're not working together as a unit. 

Yeah, I agree with you that it is a huge deal to overcome.  I wasn't trying to dismiss that.  We did truly lose 2.5 games of development of the QB though by him not starting.  That all is encompassed with the conversation we have had up to this point.  Let me restate that I do agree the changes on the line have slowed their development as a unit.  It still hurts the 2-3 guys more so having to deal with a new QB and new members on the line.  That is one more adjustment than you want to take place at one time usually.  

Quote:The line was being changed I have agreed with that all along.  I was just pointing out that they have to learn to play with the QB as well as each other.  The rest of the offense has to learn with the new QB as well.  That could have been started in week 1 is what I was saying.  I feel it should have been started in week 1.  

The receivers were no better yesterday for Bortles than they have been through the first 2 1/2 games with Henne.  That's a young unit that has made plays and they've also made mistakes.  That didn't magically change with Bortles in there.  I honestly don't think anything has been negatively impacted by Bortles missing the first 2 1/2 games.  He's in there now, and while he put up nice numbers yesterday, if Henne had done the same thing, the same suspects would have been dismissing the stats as being padded in garbage time vs. backups on defense late in the game.  Since it's Bortles, his performance suddenly means we would have won at least 2 of our first 3 games.  Let's get back to reality here. 

is this guy serious ^^^^?

Quote:Yeah, I agree with you that it is a huge deal to overcome.  I wasn't trying to dismiss that.  We did truly lose 2.5 games of development of the QB though by him not starting.  That all is encompassed with the conversation we have had up to this point.  Let me restate that I do agree the changes on the line have slowed their development as a unit.  It still hurts the 2-3 guys more so having to deal with a new QB and new members on the line.  That is one more adjustment than you want to take place at one time usually.  

I think you're overestimating the impact of not working with Bortles for the first 2 weeks.  Especially with the changes on the line.  When he stepped in there, they didn't have any problem adjusting to the change.  I didn't see any plays out there where the line was struggling because they didn't know where their QB was.  They were struggling because they were being overwhelmed by more guys to block than they had bodies to do the job. 

Quote:is this guy serious ^^^^?

Still waiting for you to provide quotes. 

 

You're like that little kid who hides behind others while they fight your fights for you, throwing out the occasional comment so you can feel like you're part of the fight. 

Quote:I think you're overestimating the impact of not working with Bortles for the first 2 weeks.  Especially with the changes on the line.  When he stepped in there, they didn't have any problem adjusting to the change.  I didn't see any plays out there where the line was struggling because they didn't know where their QB was.  They were struggling because they were being overwhelmed by more guys to block than they had bodies to do the job. 

Ok.  Keep thinking there is no adjustment needed when a new player comes onto the field at the most important position of the game. 

Quote:Ok.  Keep thinking there is no adjustment needed when a new player comes onto the field at the most important position of the game. 

 

Where did I say "no adjustment needed" with the QB?  Let's talk about putting words in the mouths of others, shall we?

 

I said the impact is not as significant as the adjustments the line has to make when replacing starters ON the line.  When you replace 2 starters, that's a big challenge for any line to develop chemistry and to play together as a unit.  Until you've done it for a while, it's 5 individuals out there doing their jobs as opposed to a unit working together in sync. 

Quote:Where did I say "no adjustment needed" with the QB?  Let's talk about putting words in the mouths of others, shall we?

 

I said the impact is not as significant as the adjustments the line has to make when replacing starters ON the line.  When you replace 2 starters, that's a big challenge for any line to develop chemistry and to play together as a unit.  Until you've done it for a while, it's 5 individuals out there doing their jobs as opposed to a unit working together in sync. 

I don't understand your need to argue something I have agreed with you on from the start about the line.  Am I supposed to agree with you more because you keep saying it?

 

I did also say they need to develop with the QB.  That is a separate issue that we have already discussed, and my understanding of the discussion is we both understand where each other are coming from in our stances.

Quote:I don't understand your need to argue something I have agreed with you on from the start about the line.  Am I supposed to agree with you more because you keep saying it?

 

I did also say they need to develop with the QB.  That is a separate issue that we have already discussed, and my understanding of the discussion is we both understand where each other are coming from in our stances.

So, pointing out that you were manufacturing points I made is argumentative when I do it, but it's okay when you make a similar claim?  Gotcha. 

 

Yes, we agree that the line needs to adjust to the new QB along with developing as a unit.  You put more value on the former than I do.

Quote:FBT says that he shouldn't be playing and that Henne is the best option right now

 

FBT is usually always right

 

he has to be right now

 

I cant tell is this a sarcastic remark, because I am not good at figuring those out...

FBT is teh quentessential "where did i say that at" guy.

 

i mean he's just textbook

 

lol

 

instead of saying, "okay, you got me", he just plays semantics like people are dumb.

 

quite arrogant and condescending of him.

Quote:So, pointing out that you were manufacturing points I made is argumentative when I do it, but it's okay when you make a similar claim?  Gotcha. 

 

Yes, we agree that the line needs to adjust to the new QB along with developing as a unit.  You put more value on the former than I do.

Yay!  Here we go again putting more words into my mouth.  I never said it was more important to develop with the qb than it is with the line.  I said its an adjustment I would have liked to start week 1.  I also said its an adjustment that is now taking place along with another adjustment.  You generally don't want to change too many things at once.  It usually makes things worse before they get better.  

Quote:Ok.  Keep thinking there is no adjustment needed when a new player comes onto the field at the most important position of the game. 

 

Somewhere else there was a question about functional line with 80% Bortles or 50% line without him. I prefer to have the parts in place for the most important player on the field, but I also understand that BB is just a better player. What we saw week 2 was a 10% line that needed a massive shake up before we put him out there, we got it, now we got him, now we can move on (hopefully).

Quote:The bootleg where he stutterstepped, made the defender whiff, then rolled back the other way to float a dime should be top 10.

I dont understand why Fisch keeps calling the play action, shouldnt the team be good at running first before teams would actually be bothered by it?

Geeezusss Chrissst. Everyone shaddup. Liar liar pants on fire. Where did I say that? Quote this. Quote that. Do some of you need so much validation in your points it gets to this 2 nd grade crap?

The team got smoked.Again.

Bortles provided some spark. One half doesn't prove squat, but I see the hope and possibilities.

But to get all fired up about all this when this team has so many glaring holes is showing how little it takes to get the fan base excited.


Let's shut the [ Bad Word Removed] up, and come back after next week after a full week of preparation and a good opponent on the other coast.


We lost 44 -17 on our home opener 20 year anniversary.

You think this offense can score 44? With our " revamped" D, they might have to.

Quote:Geeezusss Chrissst. Everyone shaddup. Liar liar pants on fire. Where did I say that? Quote this. Quote that. Do some of you need so much validation in your points it gets to this 2 nd grade crap?

The team got smoked.Again.

Bortles provided some spark. One half doesn't prove squat, but I see the hope and possibilities.

But to get all fired up about all this when this team has so many glaring holes is showing how little it takes to get the fan base excited.


Let's shut the [ Bad Word Removed] up, and come back after next week after a full week of preparation and a good opponent on the other coast.


We lost 44 -17 on our home opener 20 year anniversary.

You think this offense can score 44? With our " revamped" D, they might have to.

 

The team won't have to.

 

Now that Bortles is in we won't be seeing multiple consecutive three-and-outs tiring out the defense plus the defense can feel inspired that there's someone under center on offense with a chance at generating a win if they keep the game close.

 

The reason the Jaguars were losing so many teams so badly is because the team didn't have the inspiration of feeling like it stood a chance. They'll do much better overall now.