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Quote:Somewhere else there was a question about functional line with 80% Bortles or 50% line without him. I prefer to have the parts in place for the most important player on the field, but I also understand that BB is just a better player. What we saw week 2 was a 10% line that needed a massive shake up before we put him out there, we got it, now we got him, now we can move on (hopefully).

I understand what you are saying.  A good QB does mask some deficiencies on a bad OL though.  It still may have been bad, but I don't feel it would have been as bad with Bortles in the game.  

Quote:But to get all fired up about all this when this team has so many glaring holes is showing how little it takes to get the fan base excited.

 

 

After the last three years, what did you expect?

When he was first put in, it did seem that the Defense played better having that spark of hope... after he threw the INT I think it hurt them a bit but the rookie is going to make mistakes this year.

Quote:Geeezusss Chrissst. Everyone shaddup. Liar liar pants on fire. Where did I say that? Quote this. Quote that. Do some of you need so much validation in your points it gets to this 2 nd grade crap?

The team got smoked.Again.

Bortles provided some spark. One half doesn't prove squat, but I see the hope and possibilities.

But to get all fired up about all this when this team has so many glaring holes is showing how little it takes to get the fan base excited.


Let's shut the [ Bad Word Removed] up, and come back after next week after a full week of preparation and a good opponent on the other coast.


We lost 44 -17 on our home opener 20 year anniversary.

You think this offense can score 44? With our " revamped" D, they might have to.

Should we just shut the message board down?  We will all shut up then, because this message board allows us to converse and argue our points.  If it bothers you that much, you probably shouldn't read the thread.  

Quote:I understand what you are saying.  A good QB does mask some deficiencies on a bad OL though.  It still may have been bad, but I don't feel it would have been as bad with Bortles in the game.  

 

If Bortles had been in the game against Washington the Jaguars probably would have still lost the game, just not nearly as badly as they did.

 

Of course afterward I'm sure we'd have people here claiming that he shouldn't have played since he got sacked 4 or 5 times and the Jaguars lost. Problem is we wouldn't have gotten to see the depths of just how bad it is trotting out Gabbert 2.0 (Henne).

Quote:The line was being changed I have agreed with that all along.  I was just pointing out that they have to learn to play with the QB as well as each other.  The rest of the offense has to learn with the new QB as well.  That could have been started in week 1 is what I was saying.  I feel it should have been started in week 1.  

 

I agree, I felt that Gus made a poor choice in sticking with Chad Henne during the Preseason it was obivious that Blake was far more talented and wouldve done better getting the reps and attention needed to head into the season...

I am starting to have a lot of doubts about Gus as a head coach...

Quote:Yay!  Here we go again putting more words into my mouth.  I never said it was more important to develop with the qb than it is with the line.  I said its an adjustment I would have liked to start week 1.  I also said its an adjustment that is now taking place along with another adjustment.  You generally don't want to change too many things at once.  It usually makes things worse before they get better.  

I didn't say you said it was more important to develop with the QB than it is with the line.  I said you put more importance on the development with the QB than I do.  There's a difference.  I think developing chemistry with the QB is significantly less important than developing cohesiveness as a unit.  If the line isn't effectively operating as a group, that's a bigger problem than having chemistry with the QB.  I think we agree on this, but you put a little more weight into the QB to line cohesiveness than I do. 

Quote:If Bortles had been in the game against Washington the Jaguars probably would have still lost the game, just not nearly as badly as they did.

 

Of course afterward I'm sure we'd have people here claiming that he shouldn't have played since he got sacked 4 or 5 times and the Jaguars lost. Problem is we wouldn't have gotten to see the depths of just how bad it is trotting out Gabbert 2.0 (Henne).

I can't say whether we win or lose that game because we don't know what would have happened if Bortles played.  If he played the defense probably stays off the field longer, which reduces the number of scores Washington makes.  

Quote:I didn't say you said it was more important to develop with the QB than it is with the line.  I said you put more importance on the development with the QB than I do.  There's a difference.  I think developing chemistry with the QB is significantly less important than developing cohesiveness as a unit.  If the line isn't effectively operating as a group, that's a bigger problem than having chemistry with the QB.  I think we agree on this, but you put a little more weight into the QB to line cohesiveness than I do. 

The way I look at it is, the QB will develop either way, but I feel he should have been developing in game since the start of the season.  Development of any position group or player is greatly important to this team.  If units do not learn to play together as a group and as a team, we will have more issues than we want.  I wasn't trying to say one was more important than the other.  I was trying to explain why it is important for an offense to develop with a QB.  

Let's look at this in a different light....

 

If Gabbert was kept on the sideline for a full season do we know if he would have played better and kept us from being in position to draft Bortles?

 

My crystal ball says...  this team is bad either way.  We need more talent and all of the rookies to grow together.

Lol!! This thread is funny. Blake is the starter he should have been the starter to begin with. All I know is come Sunday. Watch we look like an NFL team.

Quote:FBT is teh quentessential "where did i say that at" guy.

 

i mean he's just textbook

 

lol

 

instead of saying, "okay, you got me", he just plays semantics like people are dumb.

 

quite arrogant and condescending of him.

 

nice

Quote:FBT is teh quentessential "where did i say that at" guy.

 

i mean he's just textbook

 

lol

 

instead of saying, "okay, you got me", he just plays semantics like people are dumb.

 

quite arrogant and condescending of him.

 

Says "you go girl!"

 

Pardon me for not conceding when you've accused me of saying things I never did.  I've been waiting for you to back up your lies with fact, and all you've done is pull the "you go girl!" any time someone else jumps into a debate you're clearly incapable of actually getting involved in without manufacturing lies.  

 

If it's arrogant and condescending of me to show zero tolerance for your weak debate tactics, so be it, "you go girl!"

Quote:They had to play him because this team and franchise hasn't looked this pathetic EVER before.


We are at the lowest point in our history, and help (other than Bortles) is NOT on the way

I think there are bright points. Our reciever corps is going to be very good. Not sure about Lee but the Allen Hurns pickup helps there and I think Lee will come around eventually. People seem to think Storm Johnson could be a nice add to tge running game once he figures out the blocking scheme. Beadles has been disappointing but Linder is playing well for a rookie. And of course, Bortles. Guess I'm just an optimist.

Quote:Says "you go girl!"

 

Pardon me for not conceding when you've accused me of saying things I never did.  I've been waiting for you to back up your lies with fact, and all you've done is pull the "you go girl!" any time someone else jumps into a debate you're clearly incapable of actually getting involved in without manufacturing lies.  

 

If it's arrogant and condescending of me to show zero tolerance for your weak debate tactics, so be it, "you go girl!"

Get em dad!

Quote:FBT is teh quentessential "where did i say that at" guy.

 

i mean he's just textbook

 

lol

 

instead of saying, "okay, you got me", he just plays semantics like people are dumb.

 

quite arrogant and condescending of him.

 

Or, you could simply do as he has asked - repeatedly. 


 

Please show him the post so I don't have to keep reading the same thing over and over.  Or admit you have nothing.


 

PS- I still think its too early for Bortles.

Quote:Or, you could simply do as he has asked - repeatedly. 


 

Please show him the post so I don't have to keep reading the same thing over and over.  Or admit you have nothing.


 

PS- I still think its too early for Bortles.

How can you honestly say you think it's still too early for Bortles?  No offense, but I'm just wondering how you think that after what he did yesterday when he went in the game.

Quote:How can you honestly say you think it's still too early for Bortles?  No offense, but I'm just wondering how you think that after what he did yesterday when he went in the game.

 

I see why you ask that.  He looks like he will be great.  He looks like a baller, and I belive he is the future of this franchise for years to come. 


 

That being said---  Call me paranoid, but I fear he will get killed behind our line- and develop that beaten down dog syndrome that plagues Jacksonville Jaguars QB's. 


 

He will called upon to do too much for a team with ZERO supporting cast- and then he will fail.  And failure breeds more failure in the NFL.

Quote:I see why you ask that.  He looks like he will be great.  He looks like a baller, and I belive he is the future of this franchise for years to come. 


 

That being said---  Call me paranoid, but I fear he will get killed behind our line- and develop that beaten down dog syndrome that plagues Jacksonville Jaguars QB's. 


 

He will called upon to do too much for a team with ZERO supporting cast- and then he will fail.  And failure breeds more failure in the NFL.

I understand what you are saying, I just don't feel that way.  I feel he will be fine.  You saw how he responded to the fumble/safety after it was negated.  It didn't bother him.  The same with the pick 6.  After that he drove the team down the field and put points on the board.  The way he has played when he has been in, preseason included, he hasn't looked like the game was too big for him.  He seemed to take it all in and live up to the moment.  Just my opinion here.

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Lets see how it is measured as teams actually gameplan to stop him.. This is the response I am interested in!

In a way it was smart to put him in during the 2nd half to boost his confidence against the clots.