Quote:It has slowed down the chemistry of the offense by 2.5 games. So it did damage that. We are 2.5 games behind where we should be right now, and no I'm not talking about wins. I am talking about chemistry of the team. That changes with different players. The line, the RBs, and the WRs all have to learn to play with Blake instead of Henne now. That is what is damaged by him not starting when he should have started (game 1).
I disagree for the reasons someone else has already pointed out. This team has been a revolving door for personnel, particularly along the line and with the receiving corps. The chemistry wouldn't be any different today than it is because of all the personnel changes we've had to make in the first 3 games.
Nothing has been hurt here.
Quote:I disagree for the reasons someone else has already pointed out. This team has been a revolving door for personnel, particularly along the line and with the receiving corps. The chemistry wouldn't be any different today than it is because of all the personnel changes we've had to make in the first 3 games.
But the team hasn't been a revolving door outside of the WRs the first 3 weeks. We have had a change on the line but that was just this week. The RBs have been the same all 3 weeks. I don't see where the "TEAM" has been a revolving door. These 3 areas have to get used to how a QB plays (Roll outs, extending drives, hand offs, and stepping up into the pocket are all different with a different person taking the snaps.)
Quote:The line is adjusting to them as well (the 2 new line starters and the new TE), but in the big picture the rest of the offense has been the same players playing with Chad as the starter. Bortles and Henne have completely different playing styles. This takes time to get used to, so yes it really did.
We started the season with a line that was put together the Wednesday before opening day, and it has changed since then.
The receivers were without the only guys with any real experience for the first 2 games, and the inexperience has shown.
The TE situation is probably the worst in the league. We started a guy yesterday who wasn't even on the roster a week ago.
Quote:We started the season with a line that was put together the Wednesday before opening day, and it has changed since then.
The receivers were without the only guys with any real experience for the first 2 games, and the inexperience has shown.
The TE situation is probably the worst in the league. We started a guy yesterday who wasn't even on the roster a week ago.
Read post 162 it explains this already.
Quote:But the team hasn't been a revolving door outside of the WRs the first 3 weeks. We have had a change on the line but that was just this week. The RBs have been the same all 3 weeks. I don't see where the "TEAM" has been a revolving door. These 3 areas have to get used to how a QB plays (Roll outs, extending drives, hand offs, and stepping up into the pocket are all different with a different person taking the snaps.)
Really? So the 2 new starters we had on the offensive line yesterday wouldn't qualify as a problem for you? Especially when the line they were plugged into had exactly 2 weeks together before the shakeup. We're still waiting for one starter to return from injury, which means we'll have at least one more change when that happens. The line hasn't been even remotely stable.
Quote:I disagree for the reasons someone else has already pointed out. This team has been a revolving door for personnel, particularly along the line and with the receiving corps. The chemistry wouldn't be any different today than it is because of all the personnel changes we've had to make in the first 3 games.
Nothing has been hurt here.
Except for the wins.... I think we could have won the Philly game if Bortles was playing.
you can tell FBT doesnt know what he is talking about, because the Colts brought more pressure against Bortles than they did Henne
but he says that the Colts didnt pressure Bortles
is this guy serious?
Bortles didn't bring magic pixie dust in with him to the huddle.... He is more talented with a bigger upside. It is real simple Henne was coached to be a care taker and ride the defense. Bortles gets to let it rip and develop. After the Lions preseason game, it made now sense to sit BB. The team went stubbornly forward with the original plan. At the end of the day the result probably would have been the same, however, he would have had more practice reps and preparation.
This team is still devoid of talent and needs time to put it together. I'm just escatic that it looks like we finally have someone that can grown into the QB position.
Quote:Read post 162 it explains this already.
Saying the line change was just this week is pretty naive. The starting offensive line didn't play any meaningful snaps in the preseason as a unit. We opened the season with a line that was put together at the Wednesday practice opening week. It lasted all of 2 weeks before they cut a guy and inserted 2 new players on the line as starters. That's a revolving door when you're talking about an offensive line and the need for continuity for that unit to perform well.
Quote:Really? So the 2 new starters we had on the offensive line yesterday wouldn't qualify as a problem for you? Especially when the line they were plugged into had exactly 2 weeks together before the shakeup. We're still waiting for one starter to return from injury, which means we'll have at least one more change when that happens. The line hasn't been even remotely stable.
I never said that wasn't a problem. There you go again putting words in peoples mouths. You seem to get so upset when someone does that to you, but that's what you like to do to others. I already said that the line has to get used to the new starters on the line, but the 3 players that have stayed the same will have to get used to a new QB and how he plays as well. There is no denying that.
Quote:Except for the wins.... I think we could have won the Philly game if Bortles was playing.
Philly is 3-0 right now, with good reason. They're a good team. Even with Bortles in there, I'm skeptical we would have won that game.
Quote:Saying the line change was just this week is pretty naive. The starting offensive line didn't play any meaningful snaps in the preseason as a unit. We opened the season with a line that was put together at the Wednesday practice opening week. It lasted all of 2 weeks before they cut a guy and inserted 2 new players on the line as starters. That's a revolving door when you're talking about an offensive line and the need for continuity for that unit to perform well.
So they didn't practice together for the 3 weeks following the preseason? Because they did. The change was made this past week. It was announced, maybe you missed it. I mean Bradfield was cut after last weeks game. I don't know how that doesn't qualify as this week.
Quote:Philly is 3-0 right now, with good reason. They're a good team. Even with Bortles in there, I'm skeptical we would have won that game.
3-0 and yet they have trailed by 10+ points in every one of them. Starting Henne did not help this team. Thats pretty clear. Playing Bortles could have drastically changed things in the first 3 games but we will never know it.
Bortles should have been the starter since week 1. It's pretty clear to see that now.
Quote:I never said that wasn't a problem. There you go again putting words in peoples mouths. You seem to get so upset when someone does that to you, but that's what you like to do to others. I already said that the line has to get used to the new starters on the line, but the 3 players that have stayed the same will have to get used to a new QB and how he plays as well. There is no denying that.
So, plugging 2 new starters in there this week on a line that has played together a whopping 2 weeks isn't a big deal? Really?
Quote:you can tell FBT doesnt know what he is talking about, because the Colts brought more pressure against Bortles than they did Henne
but he says that the Colts didnt pressure Bortles
is this guy serious?
You've started right up with the lies again. Good for you. Show the quote where I said the Colts didn't pressure Bortles. It should be easy enough to find since you're implying I've said it in this thread.
I'm still waiting on you to provide a quote for the first lie, so you can put all that together and really show me now. I'll wait.
Quote:So, plugging 2 new starters in there this week on a line that has played together a whopping 2 weeks isn't a big deal? Really?
You've started right up with the lies again. Good for you. Show the quote where I said the Colts didn't pressure Bortles. It should be easy enough to find since you're implying I've said it in this thread.
Did you read the first sentence of my reply or did you just reply without reading it? I said in the very first sentence that I never said it wasn't a problem. It is a problem.
Quote:So they didn't practice together for the 3 weeks following the preseason? Because they did. The change was made this past week. It was announced, maybe you missed it. I mean Bradfield was cut after last weeks game. I don't know how that doesn't qualify as this week.
They only decided on their starting center following the final preseason game. They didn't have 3 weeks together. They had about 5 days together before the start of the season. It takes a lot longer than 2 practices and a walk through for an offensive line to gel as a unit.
Quote:Did you read the first sentence of my reply or did you just reply without reading it? I said in the very first sentence that I never said it wasn't a problem. It is a problem.
But you also minimized the impact by saying it's a problem, then saying the 3 guys who weren't replaced should have been getting used to the QB they were protecting. That's not how an offensive line develops. They have to get used to working as a unit regardless of who the QB is. If you're switching out 2 guys on the line mid-stream, that's a big deal. Any continuity you were developing just got tossed out the window and you're starting over.
In the end, absolutely nothing was hurt by waiting on putting Bortles in. This team has much bigger issues with the defense than they do even with the anemic offensive production.
Quote:They only decided on their starting center following the final preseason game. They didn't have 3 weeks together. They had about 5 days together before the start of the season. It takes a lot longer than 2 practices and a walk through for an offensive line to gel as a unit.
Do you even fully read my replies to you? I said the line has to learn to play with the new starters as well as learn to play with Blake at QB. It is still different for Luke and Zane to play with Henne than it is to play with Blake. I don't see how you don't understand that. Had Blake been starting the whole year, they wouldn't have to adjust to multiple moves. It would just be a line adjustment. Not a line and everything behind it adjustment.
Quote:But you also minimized the impact. Saying it's a problem, then saying the 3 guys who weren't replaced should have been getting used to the QB they were protecting. That's not how an offensive line develops. They have to get used to working as a unit regardless of who the QB is. If you're switching out 2 guys on the line mid-stream, that's a big deal. Any continuity you were developing just got tossed out the window and you're starting over.
Actually that is how a line develops. They have to play with the quarterback to develop and learn the quarterbacks strengths and weaknesses. They learn that Blake can roll out and extend plays, so they in turn also learn they have to hold blocks longer. They learn that Blake steps up into the pocket, so they also in turn learn that they need to push the defenders away so he can step up into the pocket. All of these things are part of a line developing to play.
Don't get me wrong like you have done. They also need to develop with the 2 new guys on the line, but they also have to develop with the QB. Had they been playing together for the past 3 weeks, it would be easier for the guys to help the new guys get up to speed on how they play with Blake. It does happen that way whether you want to believe it or not. Different groups of the offense need to develop with the QB. It doesn't matter what group that is.
Quote:Do you even fully read my replies to you? I said the line has to learn to play with the new starters as well as learn to play with Blake at QB. It is still different for Luke and Zane to play with Henne than it is to play with Blake. I don't see how you don't understand that. Had Blake been starting the whole year, they wouldn't have to adjust to multiple moves. It would just be a line adjustment. Not a line and everything behind it adjustment.
Adjusting to a different QB is less of a challenge for an offensive line than adjusting to what amounts to 3 new starters in 3 weeks with McClendon, Bowanko, and Young being plugged in and removed over the first 3 weeks. Offensive lines don't just hit the ground running, especially when 2 of your 3 changes so far involve the center position.