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Quote:You know the answer to this.  He is in that group which prefers whatever the coaches do.  So if they're playing him, he's for that.  If they're not playing him, he's for that.

Well the DO get paid a lot of money and have worked many years to put themselves in the position they are in, I don't know something about this logic seems.........sound. 

Quote:What am I hiding from exactly?


It made sense down 30-0 to put the rookie in to see what he can do. Boy, that really showed me, right?

 

We all knew Chad Henne wasnt a great or even good QB but I dont think too many of us expected him to fail this badly....

again its a team sport while it was obivious in PreSeason that Borltes had tons more talent at the position, the team still has huge holes and problems at many other spots...

especially the OLine, RB, TE, Safety, OLB

Oh man, I love the sarcasm of the board after yesterday. :thumbsup:

Quote:Well the DO get paid a lot of money and have worked many years to put themselves in the position they are in, I don't know something about this logic seems.........sound. 

 

I know, just like Gene, and JDR, and Mularkey, and...

 

Whatever they do, it's right.  We know it's right, because they did it.  Circular logic is truly quite sound.

Quote:wow, and FBT talks about peoples' employment?

 

smh, what a real winner he must be

 

You're the "you go girl!" poster on this board because honestly, that's all you offer. 

 

Quote:I got what I wanted this week, it's too bad so many others feel the need to beat their chests and bleat on about something they still don't know whether or was right or wrong. I guess everyone feels validated by the move yesterday, even those with different ideas about how the last few weeks have gone.

 

I have to believe just about everyone was waiting for the opportunity to get Bortles into a game, and they were happy to see him take the field yesterday, myself included.  People act as if there was this segment of the fan base that was angry they made the switch, and that simply isn't true. 

 

Quote:You know the answer to this.  He is in that group which prefers whatever the coaches do.  So if they're playing him, he's for that.  If they're not playing him, he's for that.

 

You know what I'm thinking now?  Evidently not if this is what you believe is going on in my mind.  I didn't realize that if I didn't agree with something the team does, I should harp on it incessantly so I can be part of the crowd.  Is that how it works?

 

Quote:Well the DO get paid a lot of money and have worked many years to put themselves in the position they are in, I don't know something about this logic seems.........sound. 

 

Recognizing that they have more access too the players, and hopefully more insight into the development of a specific player is apparently unthinkable. 

 

Quote:We all knew Chad Henne wasnt a great or even good QB but I dont think too many of us expected him to fail this badly....

again its a team sport while it was obivious in PreSeason that Borltes had tons more talent at the position, the team still has huge holes and problems at many other spots...

especially the OLine, RB, TE, Safety, OLB

 

No, the expectation was that he would be Henne.  Some good, some bad, and overall pretty mediocre.  He hasn't even lived up to that.  It's not all his fault, but he is what he is.  This team has significant concerns all over the place right now.  Hopefully the QB situation is fixed?  We'll see. 

Quote:I know, just like Gene, and JDR, and Mularkey, and...

 

Whatever they do, it's right.  We know it's right, because they did it.  Circular logic is truly quite sound.

Agreeing with their approach, and allowing their approach time to prove itself out one way or the other are two completely different things.  You get that, right?

Quote:Agreeing with their approach, and allowing their approach time to prove itself out one way or the other are two completely different things.  You get that, right?

 

It played itself out, and it was wrong.  Henne was a dumpster fire, and we threw away 3 games in the process.  It's obvious. 

 

The inability for some to admit it, and instead need to find ways to still agree it was right, is where your circular logic comes in.  Obviously it was right, because they did it.

Quote:wow, and FBT talks about peoples' employment?

 

smh, what a real winner he must be

 

It's called "ad hominem" in debate fallacy terms, and it means attacking the person instead of the argument, you'll see it a lot on message boards. FBT is a big fan of it, too, though he'll try to argue that calling people fry cooks and such isn't personally insulting them.

Quote:It's called "ad hominem" in debate fallacy terms, and it means attacking the person instead of the argument, you'll see it a lot on message boards. FBT is a big fan of it, too, though he'll try to argue that calling people fry cooks and such isn't personally insulting them.

Like I said before with him.... If its not TMD, it's someone else.

Quote:Like I said before with him.... If its not TMD, it's someone else.

 

To be fair it's not just FBT. He's just bad example of it since more should be expected of the moderators of the board than being personally insulting to some of the team's best fans.

Quote:To be fair it's not just FBT. He's just bad example of it since more should be expected of the moderators of the board than being personally insulting to some of the team's best fans.

That and the fact that he spent a long time with a signature advising people not to argue with idiots, for most of which time he seemed to be doing exactly that.

i guess FBT thinks he can talk to people like they are less than him becaue he gave out some camp reports

Quote:What am I hiding from exactly?


It made sense down 30-0 to put the rookie in to see what he can do. Boy, that really showed me, right?

 

They should have started Blake from DAY ONE... and there is nothing you can say that will change that. What difference did it make by starting henne of Blake week one? IF anything, it hurt this team...

So Bortles was "ready" at the halftime of the clots game.... but not a moment sooner.

 

I called it weeks ago...

Feet in mouth with "Chad's the starter no matter what" comments.

Bortles progressed more than they thought....

 

Wait until 0-3 or 0-4 start and start the kid after they could say they gave Henne every chance.

 

There was no magical, oh he is all of a sudden ready now. So many were claiming, and I won't name names, but they said "oh they wont do it with the Oline like THIS. With the WRs making these mistakes..."

 

NO. They just didn't want to seem knee-jerk flippy floppy so quick after a promising PRE season from Bortles. I don't blame them from wanting to honor their word really.

I just wanna say I pretty much called this exact thing happening, down to the MB apologist flippy floppers lol.

Quote:So Bortles was "ready" at the halftime of the clots game.... but not a moment sooner.

 

I called it weeks ago...

Feet in mouth with "Chad's the starter no matter what" comments.

Bortles progressed more than they thought....

 

Wait until 0-3 or 0-4 start and start the kid after they could say they gave Henne every chance.

 

There was no magical, oh he is all of a sudden ready now. So many were claiming, and I won't name names, but they said "oh they wont do it with the Oline like THIS. With the WRs making these mistakes..."

 

NO. They just didn't want to seem knee-jerk flippy floppy so quick after a promising PRE season from Bortles. I don't blame them from wanting to honor their word really.

I just wanna say I pretty much called this exact thing happening, down to the MB apologist flippy floppers lol.

I think anyone who actually thought they'd start Henne for 16 games has a screw loose.  (not saying you believed that - I don't know if you did) 

 

My position since August has been that Henne would hang himself with poor play by week 6 and they'd put the kid in.  It seemed like many posters agreed or thought something similar. 

 

BTW  -  I don't remember "no matter what" being part of the team's statements, and most of that stuff is just coach speak/rhetoric to show support for your chosen starter anyway.

 Now - whether they should have even bothered buying time for the rookies and o-line to gel / Bortles to keep learning by putting  Henne back there - that's certainly debatable.  But - I really don't believe Gus intended for Henne to actually start all season.  

Quote:They should have started Blake from DAY ONE... and there is nothing you can say that will change that. What difference did it make by starting henne of Blake week one? IF anything, it hurt this team...

Regardless, he is playing now. We all knew he'd be playing sooner or later. Some different opinions on when he should have been named starter, but that's ok. I do hope some of the folks around here will be patient as he develops. That quality seems to be in short supply these days.

Quote:I think anyone who actually thought they'd start Henne for 16 games has a screw loose.  (not saying you believed that - I don't know if you did) 

 

My position since August has been that Henne would hang himself with poor play by week 6 and they'd put the kid in.  It seemed like many posters agreed or thought something similar. 

 

BTW  -  I don't remember "no matter what" being part of the team's statements, and most of that stuff is just coach speak/rhetoric to show support for your chosen starter anyway.

 Now - whether they should have even bothered buying time for the rookies and o-line to gel / Bortles to keep learning by putting  Henne back there - that's certainly debatable.  But - I really don't believe Gus intended for Henne to actually start all season.  

Nah I can't say that I thought they'd start Henne all season. I actually called them putting Bortles in after this kind of start (more specific I said 0-4 and at home against Pitt was the likely scenario)

Many posters, however, had the position that Bortles would start "when ready" and "not a moment sooner". Which was the same rhetoric we've heard all offseason. Many people claimed this would be how it went down, but there were others who said "Henne's play would NOT matter" in a decision of when to start Bortles. 

That is laughable. It was then, and still is. Henne played his way out of the starting role he didn't earn. 

 

The fact that they went this route just proves you can almost never trust what a coach and/or GM says lol They say what they have to. They keep it PC. Henne's the guy (until he isn't)

Bortles will sit until he's ready (unless he sits until he isn't ready)

 

There were a couple hard nosed posters on here, they know who they are, that regurgitate what the coach says as gospel. I think it's great. Sheep sheep everywhere.

 

I think what many of us here have been saying, and what some denied (just like the coach staff) Bortles was better. Bortles was ready. Bortles should start.

Well now, he is starting. But he isn't more ready now than he was week 1.

And the team isn't any better. The oline, still a mess, the WRs still mostly rookies, the TEs all banged up and street guys. The defense giving up lots of points and yards.

 

So what is better now? What is more ready now?

Of course, just like with the staff of the Jags, you won't hear too many "we were wrong"'s.

I've now been informed he's not.


Henne is not very important. In fact, he may as we'll not be here. Start Poz at QB if BB gets injured instead.


I'll leave it at that.

Sure.

Scratches head.

 

I guess it's post-happy-hour time across the pond...