Can we not derail this thread with another spitting contest?
Edit: Oh who am I kidding, it's all a spitting contest, isn't it? :teehee:
At least we have something good to argue about...
Quote:Not even yesterday....
Guess he should be like the other good QBs and not get sacked and work on his pocket presence then.
Quote:Once we started drafting QB again we finally found our guy?.... Is this supposed to be some sort of revelation? .gif "Laughing")
Giving credit here to Bortles isn't flip flopping its admitting wrong, and if it is flip flopping, then 85% of the message board is also guilty then.
You were a die hard, heels into the ground supporter of Leftwich, and it went deeper than just that he was the best option on our roster at the time. You honestly thought he was going to be a franchise level QB.
Take your own advice and OWN IT, for once.
This is your knuckle dragging, simpleton attempt at a deflection, but I'll bite just for giggles. You're our court jester, so it's always good for a laugh.
Yes, I was in Leftwich camp, and I was right about the fact that if he didn't become the guy, the guy wasn't on the roster. He never became a franchise guy he was drafted to be, but unlike many of our castoff QBs that have come and gone since, he actually started games for other teams. I'll gladly put myself in the camp who expected him to be a franchise QB.
To get back on track from your attempted highjack, you're now sweeping under the rug and trying to hide the fact you insulted everyone, as you typically do... whether it be FSU fans, UF fans, UCF fans (as in this instance), or any Florida school, you label them as "homers" when their well founded opinions don't match your amateur hack blind guesses. It's all someone of your... well, lack of intelligence can muster. (See this exchange, where you went straight Leftwich, which still isn't working for you after an entire decade of getting destroyed every time you bring it up.)
For that, you owe those TMD-coined "YOoUuUUU CCEEEEE EFFF! homers" an apology. But like anything that requires an honorable, respectful response... that never comes from the likes of you. You're happy sweeping that under the rug, then attempting to rewrite history with your disingenuous, falling in line with the crowd to "Trade Places" response. You're shady, and always will be. That's simply your chameleon-like MO. Whatever can be done to stir attention, then the likes after having to work damage control against the ugly truth.
The topic, and YOU... are now officially owned by me. Sorry if that makes you cry like the imbecile you are. Own it for once instead of continuing your butthurt tirade.
Quote:Blake Bortles is a fellow rookie...
Both were considered 1st rounders...
Both had stuff to work on and Bortles was probably a bigger project than Manziel...
Both have been given the same opportunity...
One chose to party while the other studied...
The results can be seen by even the non hard core football fans...
But yes Bortles shouldn't be compared to Manziel.
Would you prefer to compare him to Garoppolo or Metenberger instead?
They meet the above criteria and we're drafted later so by the logic you used they shouldn't be as good since Bortles at 3 is expected to be better than Manziel.
Lol I really dont know how else to say this. MY POINT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BLAKE BORTLES. My point is a QBs future is not decided within their first preseason, not even their first year.
How do you know Blake Bortles wasnt out partying anyway? I saw him buying drinks for people ay Lemon Bar in jax beach the weekend he was drafted. Do you know for a fact Johnny isnt studying his playbook? Ive heard nothing, from his teammates or coaches, about him not being dedicated to football.
Quote:I would probably take Manziel. He was a first round pick.
Who would you take?
Bortles, Metenberger, or Garoppolo?
I am not going to give up on a guy because he has had a few shaky games in his rookie year in preseason. Not to mention JFF probably has the most pressure of any rookie QB in this draft.
Based on talent I like Mettenberger but I think his knee//statuesque in the pocket will be his undoing.
Based on who I think would be the best pro I'd probably go Garoppolo, Mettenberger, Manziel.
I don't think Manziel's play style will translate at all into the NFL. Way too many throw em up balls that Evans brought down and as we can see now his scrambling//extending a play doesnt have the same effect as it did in college.
This ranking is only strengthened by the way Manziel handled the offseason then the reports about his lack on knowledge of even the college playbook.
Pre-Draft I was a big Teddy guy...and I probably would have went with Teddy//Garoppolo//Bortles//Mettenberger.
Based on what we've seen of Bortles in the offseason and how he is studying in and out and then producing...I would go Bortles//Garoppolo//Teddy//Mettenberger.
Quote:Based on talent I like Mettenberger but I think his knee//statuesque in the pocket will be his undoing.
Yeah, he's very immobile, almost Leftwich-esque. Not as slow a delivery though.
Quote:Lol I really dont know how else to say this. MY POINT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BLAKE BORTLES. My point is a QBs future is not decided within their first preseason, not even their first year.
How do you know Blake Bortles wasnt out partying anyway? I saw him buying drinks for people ay Lemon Bar in jax beach the weekend he was drafted. Do you know for a fact Johnny isnt studying his playbook? Ive heard nothing, from his teammates or coaches, about him not being dedicated to football.
Quote:Lol if blake bortles had the same game as Manziel, everyone would give Blake the benefit of the doubt.
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My point is that you can make some predictions that are plausible especially when comparing 2 rookie QBs.
It is that far off base to suggest Bortles will be the better pro based on what we've seen?
Quote:Atta guy.
No e at the end of "develop". Nice to see you learning.
Lol good job pointing out a typo I made when I was drunk at a bar at 1am. You're so smart.
Too bad your editing skills dont translate to anything football related.
Lol YOOUUUUU CEEEEEE EFFFF!
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I'd say not only is it not off base but I don't see how people could not come to that conclusion based off of what we've seen.
Who knows...I could be in the wrong Joe...especially with TMD agreeing with me now...
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Sure but I also saw Colt Brennan tear it up in preseason. Didn't mean a darn thing.
Quote:Lol good job pointing out a typo I made when I was drunk at a bar at 1am. You're so smart.
Too bad your editing skills dont translate to anything football related.
Was it a typo? I didn't know that. Apologies then. I've actually seen people use "develope" a lot on this board just like when they use "dominate" in this manner: "I think he's going to be a very dominate" player..... I thought it was just some more young uneducated slang that they think is cool.
Also.....
why are you posting to a football message board while you are out drinking at a bar?? :ermm: :wacko:
Shouldn't you be trying to pick up some women or having a few laughs with friends while there?
Quote:My point is that you can make some predictions that are plausible especially when comparing 2 rookie QBs.
It is that far off base to suggest Bortles will be the better pro based on what we've seen?
My first post you quoted me on had little to do with Blake Bortles and more to do with fans jumping to conclusions.
Of course you can make predictions, and yes, I do think Bortles will be better, but that means little in regards to how Johnny Manziel turns out. I just think predictions for a rookie QB after 3 preseason games is a little silly.
Quote:Sure but I also saw Colt Brennan tear it up in preseason. Didn't mean a darn thing.
Was Brennan ever running with even the 2s? I honestly don't remember ever keeping up with him.
Logan Thomas had a game but once again against the 3s its kind of "meh".
Manziel has had 3 games that none of which drew raves...and lord knows the media wants it to. Now combine that with his offseason and you can see where many would take the negative trajectory.
Is Pre-season the end all//be all....NO but can you make predictions on trajectory based on them...Certainly.
If Bortles had been hovering at 55% completion rate//65 yards a game there wouldn't be near the excitement or a "Eat Crow" thread up.
Quote:Was it a typo? I didn't know that. Apologies then. I've actually seen people use "develope" a lot on this board just like when they use "dominate" in this manner: "I think he's going to be a very dominate" player..... I thought it was just some more young uneducated slang that they think is cool.
Also.....
why are you posting to a football message board while you are out drinking at a bar?? :ermm: :wacko:
Shouldn't you be trying to pick up some women or having a few laughs with friends while there?
Lol TMD... im not trying to delve too deep into my personal life for you, but I do ok at bars, and actually did ok lastnight.
Maybe I should try message board posting every time I go out.
I just read today (Peter King) that the playbook Manziel received from Pettine is the very first one he has ever had. He didn't have one at A&M. The learning curve for him is so enormous. It is clear watching him he is drowning. I'm sooooooooo glad we didn't draft him. I wouldn't expect to see much from Manziel, if anything at all, this year.
Since pre-season really doesn't mean much...
What if Gabbert in San Fran was and putting up the same numbers Bortles has here.
Would it be silly for fans to forget his seasons here and actually think he may amount to a decent backup//spot-starter?
Could they rationalize the above by saying Harbaugh is a QB-genius//Change-of-Scenery//Lack of pressure or should they just say its Gabbert and Pre-Season no biggie?