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Quote:You know they will do and say anything to get elected into office, but most at least try to hide it a little. Crist is just WAYYYY to blatant about doing whatever it takes to get back in office for my taste.

 

Saying or doing whatever he has to to get elected has been a trademark for Crist his entire political career.  There are no core beliefs.  The guy has no soul. 

Quote:Unfortunately, if the race comes down to a choice between Scott or Crist, it's going to become a "choice between the lesser of two evils".

 

That's business as usual in all elections anymore.

I'm glad I don't have to worry about this anymore. I detested Crist when I was living there during his time in office. Now I see that he has changed parties and is doing whatever he thinks it takes to get back in office. Of course, Scott is no prize.

 

The concept of party voting to me is just odd. I guess I have lived enough life to have a wide range of opinions/beliefs/whatever that is what makes most people vote the way they do. I vote according to whose policies and voting history aligns closely with mine. I don't care what their party is. If there's nothing there that tells me a definite person to vote for I go for the lesser of two evils. These days it's getting much more difficult to vote for the good guy. There just doesn't seem to be one anymore.

 

I used to vote strictly Republican back in the day. Now I am registered unaffiliated. Both parties suck.

Crist flip flops more than the Keys.

Never mind...lol

Quote:Crist flip flops more than the Keys.

Does the Keys change it's mind a lot? :wacko:

Crist or Skeletor? Hmmm...which nut do I want put in a vise, the left or right?

 

Scott looks good in flip flops too. Immigration. Giving kids of illegals in state tuition. This crawfishin creep is no better. Now he's an environmentalist.

These critters have no shame, none of them

Quote:Does the Keys change it's mind a lot? :wacko:

There's this place called the Keys. They wear lotsa flip flops and feather boas.

 

http://wyllieforgovernor.com/

 

Vote Wyllie!

Quote:There's this place called the Keys. They wear lotsa flip flops and feather boas.

 

http://wyllieforgovernor.com/

 

Vote Wyllie!

 

Heck yea, that's my guy Wyllie for Governor!

Quote:I am a liberal and did not vote because I knew I would vote for the Democrat no matter who the Republican's opponent is. But it was nice to know Rick Scott lost because Charlie Crist cannot be as bad if he wins it in November.

 

 

You do know that Rick Scott won, don't you?

Quote:Crist flip flops more than the Keys.

 

Crist very consistently stands for one thing ... himself.


Scott has absolutely no charisma, and is a bit of a flip-flopper himself. But he did bring the State budget back into the black during the worst recession since 1929. That should count for something.

Quote:Charlie Crist is unfit to hold public office.  When he was previously Florida Governor,  this imbecile signed the papers that sent a man with a 77 IQ to death.   While I'm in favor of capital punishment in many,  if not most murder cases,   no one in their right mind would execute a person with a 77 IQ.  I'm not promoting Rick Scott or any other candidate in the Florida Governor race.   I just hope that Charlie Crist goes down in flames in this election or any other time he runs for office again!

It isn't like he's unique in that. Rick Scott is still trying to kill people with mental retardation.


Before people stand and shout the laughable premise that the death penalty is in any way, shape, or for, a remote notion of a deterrent, they might consider that in this state, for every 3 executions there is one EXHONERATION.


Can you ratify your belief knowing that it causes innocent people to be sent to death row regularly?


This isn't the rare, "oops, that happens from time to time" (as if that makes it ok, and that blood isn't directly on the hands and attributable to those with thismisplaced belief system)


This is REGULAR. And that's just what has been proven, and those who were lucky enough to have a miracle worker grinding it out over years to expose the truth.


I wonder how victimized the actual families of victims feel when they find out the person they have blamed for their loved ones death is actually INNOCENT. Not even contemplating the family of the EXHONERATED.


Bear in mind, too, that a large part of people in question of their guilt simply have their sentences commuted to life, and then they are forgotten and the case buried from there.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty#inn-st'>http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty#inn-st</a>

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/jun/02/aclu-florida/florida-aclu-says-state-has-most-errors-and-exoner/'>http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/jun/02/aclu-florida/florida-aclu-says-state-has-most-errors-and-exoner/</a>

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/DNA_Exonerations_Nationwide.php'>http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/DNA_Exonerations_Nationwide.php</a>



Regardless, neither Scott nor Christ have any moral high ground on this issue. They both have blood on their hands directly.

Quote:The official message was to "get money out of politics" that's a leap from "more regulation please"

I'd say the message was more "the voice of a few with deep pockets shouldn't drowned out the voice of the masses."


It was simply good to see people getting involved in the process.

Quote:It isn't like he's unique in that. Rick Scott is still trying to kill people with mental retardation.


Before people stand and shout the laughable premise that the death penalty is in any way, shape, or for, a remote notion of a deterrent, they might consider that in this state, for every 3 executions there is one EXHONERATION.


Can you ratify your belief knowing that it causes innocent people to be sent to death row regularly?


This isn't the rare, "oops, that happens from time to time" (as if that makes it ok, and that blood isn't directly on the hands and attributable to those with thismisplaced belief system)


This is REGULAR. And that's just what has been proven, and those who were lucky enough to have a miracle worker grinding it out over years to expose the truth.


I wonder how victimized the actual families of victims feel when they find out the person they have blamed for their loved ones death is actually INNOCENT. Not even contemplating the family of the EXHONERATED.


Bear in mind, too, that a large part of people in question of their guilt simply have their sentences commuted to life, and then they are forgotten and the case buried from there.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty#inn-st'>http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty#inn-st</a>

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/jun/02/aclu-florida/florida-aclu-says-state-has-most-errors-and-exoner/'>http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/jun/02/aclu-florida/florida-aclu-says-state-has-most-errors-and-exoner/</a>

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/DNA_Exonerations_Nationwide.php'>http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/DNA_Exonerations_Nationwide.php</a>



Regardless, neither Scott nor Christ have any moral high ground on this issue. They both have blood on their hands directly.

Blood on their hands?

 

So, which executed offenders have been PROVEN to be innocent?

 

Love to hear this one.....

Quote:Blood on their hands?

 

So, which executed offenders have been PROVEN to be innocent?

 

Love to hear this one.....

Loooooove to hear this one huh? How about someone who was waiting on the needle, only to walk out a free man,


Wow, me too. I'd rather hear this one than spend a decade of my life in prison, but that is just me.


<a class="bbc_url" href='http://punishablebydeath.wordpress.com/2012/12/22/seth-penalver-to-be-released-from-floridas-death-row/'>http://punishablebydeath.wordpress.com/2012/12/22/seth-penalver-to-be-released-from-floridas-death-row/</a>



Oh here's his plea to the OL' Rick to not take or limit the opportunity to have due process and thereby not have the State murder others WRONGFULLY convicted.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/01/florida-timely-justice-rick-scott-death-row-bill_n_3189816.html'>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/01/florida-timely-justice-rick-scott-death-row-bill_n_3189816.html</a>


Apparently, that didn't matter, and Rick would be content with allowing more innocent people,to be killed by the state.



Ok, your turn. It's not hard. Ill give you a hint.


Look at your favorite jazz singer's dad. You'll find men who avoided the needle by days who didn't belong in prison.


I'm trying to help here, but my guess is you won't look very hard.....strange

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/667


Interesting discussion on how hard it is even with evidence indicating innocence.


Also pretty amazing what police officers say about each other in getting confessions.


Let me guess.....this doesn't really happen, and they decided to make it up.

This happened in Texas, so it doesn't count.


Could never happen here, because we are infinitely smarter and well reasoned.


http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/...ration.php

http://www.law.umich.edu/special/exonera...aseid=3644


This one doesnt count, although it is our back yards, because they couldn't stick a needle in this innocent man's arm quick enough, as he died after over a decade in prison.


Your governor's death warrant didn't get a chance, dang it.



Hey, I bet the victim's family is THRILLED that the state was trying their best to kill the wrong guy, while the DNA evidence was there the whole time to find the ACTUAL murderer.


Man, too bad the state didn't get the chance to kill him before he died,


Injustice denied. No blood on their hands though! Whew!

Too bad they don't have a federal death penalty so our tax dollars could have been saved by murdering these fellas (those that hadn't died in prison) who were convicted upon knowingly false information.


http://article.wn.com/view/2010/05/01/Ju...In_Boston/


Whatever, the most important thing is to save the tax dollars.

Nate most of the stories are about peole that we're almost executed but proved inocent then released. Even without the death penalty they'd still spend the same time wrongfully behind bars.


Unless you advocate private law systems there will always be cases of the state wrongfully impriosining people that's with or without a death penalty. In the cases where individuals where found inocent and released the system worked, albeit horribly late but regardless the appeal system worked.


For me the only time I advocate the death penelty is in cases where the individual is found beyond redemption or rehabilitation. Cases such as rape or molesting children, most of the time id prefer to put prisoners in a work program make them contribute to society.


I guess im just wondering what you would advocate?