09-08-2014, 06:27 PM
09-08-2014, 07:37 PM
Quote:I even given you a case number.....after you asked for that.I asked for a case number of an innocent inmate executed by the State of Florida. You failed to provide one. That's your problem, not mine.
My guess, and this is pretty predictable, is that whatever proof of this point won't suffice. kinda cowardly.
Simple question-have there been cases where people were put on death row, and later EXHONERATED.
I'll wait......Internet tough guy.
What you haven't given me is a single name of a person who was proven innocent after being executed by the state of Florida.
The case number you provided doesn't meet that criteria. You know it. I know it.
I don't care what the other clowns are saying. You can't back up something you said about both Governors having blood on their hands. Neither executed an innocent person. It has never been proven.
That leaves you either being incompetent, or just a flat out liar.
Personally, I'll take the latter.
09-08-2014, 11:00 PM
Quote:"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
Henne leads to Anger. Anger leads to long punt returns. Long punt returns leads to suffering.
09-08-2014, 11:01 PM
Quote:Henne leads to Anger. Anger leads to long punt returns. Long punt returns leads to suffering.Winner
09-09-2014, 07:51 AM
Quote:I asked for a case number of an innocent inmate executed by the State of Florida. You failed to provide one. That's your problem, not mine.
What you haven't given me is a single name of a person who was proven innocent after being executed by the state of Florida.
The case number you provided doesn't meet that criteria. You know it. I know it.
I don't care what the other clowns are saying. You can't back up something you said about both Governors having blood on their hands. Neither executed an innocent person. It has never been proven.
That leaves you either being incompetent, or just a flat out liar.
Personally, I'll take the latter.
Dude, you're hilarious.
In both roles, by the way. The Internet tough guy thing you're trying to do comes off, well, just sad.
The fact I've provided exactly what you asked, posed questions you choose to avoid (if it was the other way around, there is no doubt you'd be calling me a coward.) and every one sees it, while you still try to act like it doesn't meet your personal, unique, changing criteria is an illustration of failure.
Also, that you haven't read anything, or choose to put an act on here because there is no doubt innocent people have been put to death, both in Florida and other states.
The death penalty will eventually be abolished, and I have no doubt that the diminishing amount of fools will go kicking and screaming, while we as a nation are better for it, and avoid being like countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea, etc. who stand by the death penalty.
Simple question- do you deny there has been an innocent person put to death?
Follow up, what say you about those that were EXHONERATED days before they were to be murdered by the state?
09-09-2014, 08:10 AM
Quote:I asked for a case number of an innocent inmate executed by the State of Florida. You failed to provide one. That's your problem, not mine.
What you haven't given me is a single name of a person who was proven innocent after being executed by the state of Florida.
The case number you provided doesn't meet that criteria. You know it. I know it.
I don't care what the other clowns are saying. You can't back up something you said about both Governors having blood on their hands. Neither executed an innocent person. It has never been proven.
That leaves you either being incompetent, or just a flat out liar.
Personally, I'll take the latter.
Here let me help you with something. Please watch carefully.
Ages ago, I insisted my man Reggie Williams would be an outstanding player. Every angle I could find to display this would be the case I leaned on as much as possible.
Malabar simply said otherwise. He said I was an apologist.
He was right.
I was wrong.
Wow, I guess that means I should be devastated, personally, professionally, and as a fan. After all, he was right. I was wrong.
See what happened there?
And I didn't even have to resort to insulting him professionally (when I clearly have no clue) or call him a flat out liar.
Or otherwise act like a petulant child.
09-09-2014, 11:15 AM
Quote:Dude, you're hilarious.
In both roles, by the way. The Internet tough guy thing you're trying to do comes off, well, just sad.
The fact I've provided exactly what you asked, posed questions you choose to avoid (if it was the other way around, there is no doubt you'd be calling me a coward.) and every one sees it, while you still try to act like it doesn't meet your personal, unique, changing criteria is an illustration of failure.
Also, that you haven't read anything, or choose to put an act on here because there is no doubt innocent people have been put to death, both in Florida and other states.
The death penalty will eventually be abolished, and I have no doubt that the diminishing amount of fools will go kicking and screaming, while we as a nation are better for it, and avoid being like countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea, etc. who stand by the death penalty.
Simple question- do you deny there has been an innocent person put to death?
Follow up, what say you about those that were EXHONERATED days before they were to be murdered by the state?
You seem to be debating an irrelevant point. Any governor signing a death warrant has blood on his hands, whether the convicted killer was innocent or guilty, The debate over whether or not the death was justifiable is a different argument, as is the debate over whether or not innocents have been executed. When his or her signature is written on a death warrant, homicide is the result of a governor's action.
09-09-2014, 12:04 PM
Quote:You seem to be debating an irrelevant point. Any governor signing a death warrant has blood on his hands, whether the convicted killer was innocent or guilty, The debate over whether or not the death was justifiable is a different argument, as is the debate over whether or not innocents have been executed. When his or her signature is written on a death warrant, homicide is the result of a governor's action.
I agree with everything you said, save that I'd say it is a relevant issue and there is an obvious distinction.
09-09-2014, 04:30 PM
Aaaaargh...everytime I see either one of these snake oil salesmen on a tv ad, I switch to the 2nd half of the Eagles game I recorded. Its more enjoyable than that. Ive already tried ice picks to the eyes and ears...but flip flopped and stabbed the tv screen...over and over and over and over.
What I would pay to have them both caught in bed together, with a feather duster, wobbly rubber [BLEEP], blow up sheep and melted butter.
TMZ...ya hear me?????
What I would pay to have them both caught in bed together, with a feather duster, wobbly rubber [BLEEP], blow up sheep and melted butter.
TMZ...ya hear me?????
09-11-2014, 11:02 PM
Nate, here's a link to a current story about a guy who wasn't executed. I wonder if he'll kill again.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/11/justice/oh...?hpt=hp_t1
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/11/justice/oh...?hpt=hp_t1
09-12-2014, 01:04 PM
Quote:Nate, here's a link to a current story about a guy who wasn't executed. I wonder if he'll kill again.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/11/justice/ohio-school-shooter-escapes/index.html?hpt=hp_t1'>http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/11/justice/ohio-school-shooter-escapes/index.html?hpt=hp_t1</a>
Sooooo your hinging your argument on the notion of supporting the death penalty because the state cannot competently incarcerate people.
Yet, I take, they are competent in deciding to execute someone. (?)
You are trusting the judgment of the people and system that put this ruthless killer in a less than maximum security prison to begin with.
He scaled a fence.......boy they are good at what they do, and they have good decision makers. Even his defense attorney was taken aback by him not being in a max.
He's in custody again. Sleep easy. And that is a woefully shallow argument to trust the same people and system to execute someone who cannot keep them simply under lock and key, especially considering the millions of dollars at hand to do just that.
09-12-2014, 06:45 PM
Quote:Dude, you're hilarious.Yet you cannot name a single name.
In both roles, by the way. The Internet tough guy thing you're trying to do comes off, well, just sad.
The fact I've provided exactly what you asked, posed questions you choose to avoid (if it was the other way around, there is no doubt you'd be calling me a coward.) and every one sees it, while you still try to act like it doesn't meet your personal, unique, changing criteria is an illustration of failure.
Also, that you haven't read anything, or choose to put an act on here because there is no doubt innocent people have been put to death, both in Florida and other states.
The death penalty will eventually be abolished, and I have no doubt that the diminishing amount of fools will go kicking and screaming, while we as a nation are better for it, and avoid being like countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea, etc. who stand by the death penalty.
Simple question- do you deny there has been an innocent person put to death?
Follow up, what say you about those that were EXHONERATED days before they were to be murdered by the state?
Not one single, solitary name.
09-12-2014, 07:08 PM
Quote:Yet you cannot name a single name.
Not one single, solitary name.
For....the....love ...of.....God.
Read.
In Florida, pretty Leo Jones, from Jacksonville, and Jesse Tafero. 1990 & 1998.
I even provided a case number, which you made important.
Numerous other examples in other states as well, but those must not count.
Also, you haven't responded to what your thoughts are on the numerous, numerous examples of people ( and yes, in Florida, since that is somehow a limiting factor for you) who have been hours from execution after years on death row. EXHONERATED
09-12-2014, 07:10 PM
Quote:Yet you cannot name a single name.
Not one single, solitary name.
Really, let's boil it down to this: do you deny that innocent people have been executed, either in Florida or elsewhere in this country?
09-12-2014, 07:19 PM
Quote:For....the....love ...of.....God.Neither have been proven innocent.
Read.
In Florida, pretty Leo Jones, from Jacksonville, and Jesse Tafero. 1990 & 1998.
I even provided a case number, which you made important.
Numerous other examples in other states as well, but those must not count.
Also, you haven't responded to what your thoughts are on the numerous, numerous examples of people ( and yes, in Florida, since that is somehow a limiting factor for you) who have been hours from execution after years on death row. EXHONERATED
Like I said enough times already.
Not one.
And to answer your question you keep harping on, until it's proven that an innocent person has been executed, that is exactly what I believe.
You know as good as I do that if there were concrete proof that an innocent person were executed, it would be the holy grail for bleeding heart liberals like you because that would be the one thing that would actually abolish the death penalty. Hell, they're putting them (executions) off left and right because the condemned snore too much and cough once or twice. You know as well as I do that absolute proof of an innocent being executed would spell the end of it all.
Hasn't happened. Sorry.
09-12-2014, 07:48 PM
Quote:Neither have been proven innocent.
Like I said enough times already.
Not one.
And to answer your question you keep harping on, until it's proven that an innocent person has been executed, that is exactly what I believe.
You know as good as I do that if there were concrete proof that an innocent person were executed, it would be the holy grail for bleeding heart liberals like you because that would be the one thing that would actually abolish the death penalty. Hell, they're putting them (executions) off left and right because the condemned snore too much and cough once or twice. You know as well as I do that absolute proof of an innocent being executed would spell the end of it all.
Hasn't happened. Sorry.
PS: I would have given you at least some consideration for a guy like Jerry White.
You do recognize that when someone is executed, the case is over, right? Do you know what legal roadblocks there are to get off death row even when there is a ton of evidence of innocence?
I'm sure no proof would suffice, as you don't see to understand that they don't wheel the body of the homicide victim of the state and retry the case.
What say you about Ruben Cantu? He'll the prosecutor and jury foreperson, not to mention other witnesse believe an innocent man was executed.
Executed. Murdered by the state.
You response?
How about David Spence?
The police lieutenant who investigated the crime later said,"I do not think David Spence committed this crime"
The homicide detective later said, "my opinion is that David Spence was innocent. Nothing in the investigation ever led us to any evidence that he was involved."
Executed. Murdered by the state.
Response?
Btw, this reliance on that death penalty opponent would raise heck if an innocent person would be executed is just a acknowledgment of turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to the fact they have been for years.
You simpy want to bury your head in the sand. Luckily, more and more people "get it" and more states and countries are abolishing this stupidity.
09-12-2014, 08:20 PM
Quote:You do recognize that when someone is executed, the case is over, right? Do you know what legal roadblocks there are to get off death row even when there is a ton of evidence of innocence?You could have just said, "I agree. Nobody has been proven innocent" and saved yourself a lot of typing.
I'm sure no proof would suffice, as you don't see to understand that they don't wheel the body of the homicide victim of the state and retry the case.
What say you about Ruben Cantu? He'll the prosecutor and jury foreperson, not to mention other witnesse believe an innocent man was executed.
Executed. Murdered by the state.
You response?
How about David Spence?
The police lieutenant who investigated the crime later said,"I do not think David Spence committed this crime"
The homicide detective later said, "my opinion is that David Spence was innocent. Nothing in the investigation ever led us to any evidence that he was involved."
Executed. Murdered by the state.
Response?
Btw, this reliance on that death penalty opponent would raise heck if an innocent person would be executed is just a acknowledgment of turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to the fact they have been for years.
You simpy want to bury your head in the sand. Luckily, more and more people "get it" and more states and countries are abolishing this stupidity.
09-12-2014, 08:37 PM
Quote:You could have just said, "I agree. Nobody has been proven innocent" and saved yourself a lot of typing.
Weak. I provide even more names and.......No response.
Duly noted. Not shocking. I wouldn't either if I were you.
Dude, you get this isn't fooling anyone, I hope?
09-12-2014, 08:53 PM
Quote:Weak. I provide even more names and.......No response.You have provided nothing, other than your opinion, and think I'm the fool because I don't believe You?
Duly noted. Not shocking. I wouldn't either if I were you.
Dude, you get this isn't fooling anyone, I hope?
And you think I'M the stupid one?
You have nothing but opinion and speculation.
Like I said, Not one name. Not one PROVEN innocent person executed. I have heard a lot of excuses, theories, and opinions, but nothing proven. Not a single name PROVEN.
That's the thing you cannot overcome. You cannot PROVE a single thing you're saying.
Give one proven name, and you will get an apology and I will fully accept that I was wrong.
One name. It's not that big of a deal.
09-12-2014, 09:22 PM
Quote:You have provided nothing, other than your opinion, and think I'm the fool because I don't believe You?
And you think I'M the stupid one?
You have nothing but opinion and speculation.
Like I said, Not one name. Not one PROVEN innocent person executed. I have heard a lot of excuses, theories, and opinions, but nothing proven. Not a single name PROVEN.
That's the thing you cannot overcome. You cannot PROVE a single thing you're saying.
Give one proven name, and you will get an apology and I will fully accept that I was wrong.
One name. It's not that big of a deal.
This is just embarrassing. I have, and of course you know that. It would require actual stones to argue the points. It also speaks VOLUMES that you choose to ignore the questions posed to you, after I've repeatedly answered the same questions, even when you decide to go with "ughhhhhh but what about a case number". I can just see you chuckling, "errr I've got him on that one!"
You don't just get to ask the same question that has been answered multiple times while ignoring the questions posed to you, while not addressing the answers at all, and remain credible. It's just sad. Sad that there are so many people who don't have the intestinal fortitude to honestly discuss a real issue.
Here is a nice quote from a proponent of the death penalty, which truly shows he has the guts to deal with his belief, while you, obviously do not:
"A legal regime relying on the death penalty will inevitably execute innocent people - not too often, one hopes, but undoubtedly sometimes. Mistakes will be made because it is simply not possible to do something this difficult perfectly, all the time. Any honest proponent of capital punishment must face this fact. "
-- U.S. District Judge Michael Ponsor
Also:
In the past, I have been a strong advocate of the death penalty. I voted in favor of the resumption of capital punishment in 1977, and I have supported additional provisions expanding the categories of criminal actions for which the death penalty may be imposed.
However, I have now become one of those who believe that we must take another look at the death penalty.
-Vincent Callahan (R., Va. House of Delegates)
Not to mention the Supreme Court, acknowledging the obvious (well, to most)
[T]he Court found that the best available evidence indicates that, on the one hand, innocent people are sentenced to death with materially greater frequency than was previously supposed and that, on the other hand, convincing proof of their innocence often does not emerge until long after their convictions.
- U.S. v. Quinones (2002)
And for malabar's consideration,
“Had the state of Illinois gotten its way, I‘d be dead today.”
- Ronald Jones, EXHONERATED and released from death row
And
At the end of the day, perhaps the best argument against capital punishment may be that it is an issue beyond the limited capacity of government to get things right.
-Scott Turow, Author and Former Federal Prosecutor [34]