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Quote:LOL, they wouldn't touch him with a 39.5 foot pole....and you know why? For one main reason...

Because they don't want to draft Carr at one, nor would any reasonably-intelligent GM, and there's a good chance he's not there when they pick in 2?

 

Quote:I'm not saying that Carr won't just be avoided by the Texans at 1. They won't select him at ALL, as in he's not even on their draft board.....and with the Carr bloodlines being 90% of the reason why. 

First off, the coach and GM that drafted David Carr are long gone. In fact, I suspect there aren't many in that organization who remember the David Carr mess at all. To suggest that a brand-new coach and GM combo will be scared off from a draft prospect because his brother bombed out ten years ago isn't ridiculous. It's stupid. Straight-up dumb. If Dom Capers was still the coach or Charley Casserly the GM, you'd probably be right, and maybe Derek Carr isn't on their draft board at all. Suggesting that he's not there because he's David Carr's brother? Really? Are you that desperate now that your golden boy Garoppolo has been exposed as a guy who is also flustered in the pocket under pressure?

 

The great thing about your statement is that there's a very, very, very high chance that the Texans don't draft Carr, and when they don't, you'll be parading your brilliance all over the board because they passed on him at one and didn't trade up to 25 to keep him out of Cleveland.

These talking heads like King are doing nothing but what they're being paid for. Writing an article and creating buzz. But since these articles are written by these talking heads who are higher up on the food chain, their articles are magnified by 100..


Every team is considering every player in the draft. More positive comments are going to be made than negative ones..

Quote:If our GM believes that a QB sitting and developing him will automatically make him better, then we're in trouble. However, I don't see him saying that. He said that this draft class may need some seasoning -- that doesn't mean that he sees every QB as someone who will develop given time to sit. He may like Garopollo. He liked Matt Scott too.

Regardless of whether or not they'll develop our GM believes that this year's particular group of QB's will be better served learning from the bench.

Quote:Even if he's a first rounder.

 

"That's the approach we're going into it," Bradley said when asked about sitting a quarterback for a year, even if it's a first round pick. "Now if we can create that environment, we can just see similar to Seattle. I know Matt Flynn was the quarterback. He was the guy. Russell Wilson got drafted, came in and there was no expectations on him being the starter."

 

 

I agree with what you're saying Knarnn, but didn't Wilson become the starting QB his rookie year for the first regular season game in Seattle?

 

I understand Bradley's quote, but if Bradley is right, and he can create a truly similar environment to the Seahawks, then it seems what he is saying that a rookie QB can and perhaps even will gain the starting job over the older more experienced QB in the preseason. Ie, that's exactly what happened in Seattle where he came from.

 

I just think he was saying that a Teddy, Manziel, Mettenberger, etc, wouldn't HAVE to start until they're ready(unlike say Luck or RG3 HAD to their rookie seasons). If they are ready they'll be starter, if they need a few games they'll sit. Am I reading that right or am I wrong? What do you think?

Quote:I agree with what you're saying Knarnn, but didn't Wilson become the starting QB his rookie year for the first regular season game in Seattle?


I understand Bradley's quote, but if Bradley is right, and he can create a truly similar environment to the Seahawks, then it seems what he is saying that a rookie QB can and perhaps even will gain the starting job over the older more experienced QB in the preseason. Ie, that's exactly what happened in Seattle where he came from.


I just think he was saying that a Teddy, Manziel, Mettenberger, etc, wouldn't HAVE to start until they're ready(unlike say Luck or RG3 HAD to their rookie seasons). If they are ready they'll be starter, if they need a few games they'll sit. Am I reading that right or am I wrong? What do you think?

I agree. The whole point is to have the rookie QB come in with absolutely no expectations to start. His job is to learn and get better. Now if the competitive environment pushes the rookie to learn and develop faster and at the end of camp he's head and shoulders better than the incumbent, as Wilson was to Flynn, then I would expect him to get the starting nod. It needs to be understood however that the likelihood of this happening is pretty low.

Quote:Although I have no doubt he'll harken this post at some point in the future to pat himself on the back for being right here, it's really not about being right or wrong in this instance. It's about saying things that get the most attention.  When it doesn't get the response he wants, he whines about it. 

 

He craves the attention.

 

Case in point.  When he was previously banned, he would go on a PM rampage with several posters, including myself.  When I didn't respond to his PMs, I got this:

 

When I didn't respond to this PM, I got a message from another mod.  TMD reached out to him to ask him if I was mad at him because I wasn't responding to his PMs. It comes across like some 13 year old obsession.

 

Half the crap glitter boy puts out there is intended to do one thing: get attention.  I'm convinced he doesn't believe half of it, and only posts the stuff he does because he knows he'll get responses, and this somehow gives him some sense of validation.  Pretty sad.  Pretty pathetic.

 

No, its just rude to ignore people when directly addressed. The initial PM I sent you was Jags related football talk. When it was ignored, I asked another mod if you were getting your PM's. 

 

You think leaking PM's reflects bad on me? Maybe...although, the above doesn't come anywhere near proving your agenda. I do know that amongst people with any sort of ethics/ integrity, leaking private PM's (regardless of who sent them) to the public reflects much worse upon you.... Its not something a person of high character would do. 

Quote:I agree. The whole point is to have the rookie QB come in with absolutely no expectations to start. His job is to learn and get better. Now if the competitive environment pushes the rookie to learn and develop faster and at the end of camp he's head and shoulders better than the incumbent, as Wilson was to Flynn, then I would expect him to get the starting nod. It needs to be understood however that the likelihood of this happening is pretty low.

Agreed in entirety

I like Mad Dog. Don't know what the fuss is all about.

 

He's right tho you know about keeping 'character' even on the internet and messageboards, where all rules are seemingly thrown out and we all act like inhumane jerks to each other, even though we'd never do so in real life or in person. 

 

I think some have lost the ability to 'argue'. I'm not talking fighting and name-calling. But arguing good points, disagreeing, and seeing who makes the best points. Look, so far I have disagreed wholeheartedly with Mad Dog in this thread. But he's still probably a hell of a person in real life, a pretty cool guy that i'd buy a drink for on gameday. Remember fellas, we're all rooting for the same team here.

Quote:I like Mad Dog. Don't know what the fuss is all about.


He's right tho you know about keeping 'character' even on the internet and messageboards, where all rules are seemingly thrown out and we all act like inhumane jerks to each other, even though we'd never do so in real life or in person.


I think some have lost the ability to 'argue'. I'm not talking fighting and name-calling. But arguing good points, disagreeing, and seeing who makes the best points. Look, so far I have disagreed wholeheartedly with Mad Dog in this thread. But he's still probably a hell of a person in real life, a pretty cool guy that i'd buy a drink for on gameday. Remember fellas, we're all rooting for the same team here.

I'm a jerk in real life too.. I strive for greatness..

Quote:If its "complete garbage" then the Houston Texans should have no problem selecting Derek Carr, right?.....

 

 

LOL, they wouldn't touch him with a 39.5 foot pole....and you know why? For one main reason...

 

TMD, come on.   Surely you are smarter than this.    Just because David Carr didn't live up to his #1 overall status, that doesn't mean his brother Derek is going to be a failure.  

 

So in answer to your question, no, Houston should have no problem selecting Derek Carr.   In the second round.  

 

Jesus Christ, man, get your brain in gear a little.   Your arguments are usually a little more challenging than that.  

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I think some have lost the ability to 'argue'. I'm not talking fighting and name-calling. But arguing good points, disagreeing, and seeing who makes the best points ... Remember fellas, we're all rooting for the same team here.

 

Amen and amen. It seems as if people feel like the only way that they can get their point across is by throwing vitriol at people in order to make them seem dumb. Makes no sense to me and just seems uncultured.

Quote:TMD, come on.   Surely you are smarter than this.    Just because David Carr didn't live up to his #1 overall status, that doesn't mean his brother Derek is going to be a failure.  

 

So in answer to your question, no, Houston should have no problem selecting Derek Carr.   In the second round.  

 

Jesus Christ, man, get your brain in gear a little.   Your arguments are usually a little more challenging than that.  

 

David err, Derek Carr is nowhere on Houston's entire draft board. I can almost promise you this. You'd be mistaken if you don't think the experience they had with David isn't going to reflect poorly on Derek to them. They won't select Derek if he fell to them in the 2nd/ 3rd/ 4th/ 5th/ 6th or even 7th round. Perhaps as an undrafted free agent they might bring him in as one of the 15 or so. 

Quote:Amen and amen. It seems as if people feel like the only way that they can get their point across is by throwing vitriol at people in order to make them seem dumb. Makes no sense to me and just seems uncultured.

You're uncultured.

Quote:The article has me intrigued by Savage, but sounds like we won't have a shot at him.

 

ive said this before in another thread, but when savage played his first year as a starter at rutgers. i watched all season. he looked like the next big time college qb that was gonna go real early and high in the draft. i was disappointed because he wasnt gonna be eligible for years and i was like, well, the jags will def have their qb of the future by then. crazy how things change. 

 

but i think he has all the tools and with good, consistent coaching, i think he can be a steal. closest comparison to an active nfl qb? probably a more athletic flacco. 

Quote:You're uncultured.

 

Nuh uh! I just seem that way!

If I was a top prospect I would do the combine and my pro day, I would not risk myself in these individual workouts, now if your a player who needs to help yourself its different. I dont blame Clowney for shutting it down, they seen enough, either you want him or you dont

Really hope we don't draft Garopollo in the 2nd or 3rd.  I know a lot of people don't like McCarron, but I think he may be the best of the guys who will certainly fall out of the 1st round.  I've liked him more and more as time has passed.  If we could get him in the 3rd, that'd be fantastic.

 

Clowney + Crichton + McCarron

or

Watkins + Crichton + McCarron

 

would be pretty nice.  Though McCarron may go in the 2nd round.  

would anyone like something like this?

clowney/mack, jordan matthews/big tall WR, savage? 

 

or watkins, dee ford, savage?

 

 

also could put mccarron in savages place. i think he will be very solid. never great. but just a solid guy that doesnt give the game away. a la alex smith. 

Quote:would anyone like something like this?

clowney/mack, jordan matthews/big tall WR, savage? 

 

or watkins, dee ford, savage?

 

 

also could put mccarron in savages place. i think he will be very solid. never great. but just a solid guy that doesnt give the game away. a la alex smith. 

 

No to Savage but yes to McCarron

I would much rather Clowney/ Mack- then Jordan Mathews then Watkins - Dee Ford 

Quote:If the Jaguars thought pocket presence could be learned they would have hung on to Gabbert. I don't doubt guys can get better in their careers, but if a guy just plain doesn't seem to have a trait after playing QB through highschool and college he probably just doesn't have it.

 

I disagree to a certain extent.

 

I think Gabbert was simply damaged goods as far as the front office is concerned, and they determined he was beyond their help here in Jacksonville.

 

I think Garoppolo has a lot of traits you want in an NFL QB.  He's got issues to work on, but that quick release and a decent arm are certainly appealing.  The footwork can be coached.