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Quote:LOL. This is ridiculous.

10,000+ all purpose yards, 87 touchdowns, and he doesn't deserve the ROH?

Get outta here.

This. Only players that played for the jags id put over mojo is Tony, Fred & Jimmy.

Quote:Yeah, I would imagine it's a decision between the owner and possibly Mark Lamping. They might consult some of the Jaguars ambassadors from years gone by.

I would imagine that once the team gets back on track and starts winning with some consistency, we'll see fewer of these Pride inductions. My impression is that this is more of a dog and pony show to keep the fans happy while they're rebuilding. So, if someone like Jimmy Smith wants to get into the Pride, it needs to happen soon.

So, you're insinuating that its okay to have lower standards for the Pride when you are rebuilding? Got it.

All that does to me is ultimately cheapen the honor.

Boselli, Fred and Jimmy should be the only ones in there right now.

MoJo? maybe....he's fringe. Certainly not a slam dunk.

Quote:So, you're insinuating that its okay to have lower standards for the Pride when you are rebuilding? Got it.

All that does to me is ultimately cheapen the honor.

Boselli, Fred and Jimmy should be the only ones in there right now.

MoJo? maybe....he's fringe. Certainly not a slam dunk.

What I'm saying is that the marketing folks at the stadium recognize they need to do other things to keep fans interested during a rebuild. Brunell was borderline, but the expectation going into last season was that this was going to be a bad team, so it was a smart marketing decision to induct a guy who is still very popular among local fans despite being gone from Jacksonville for a decade. The fans had something to look forward to, and it was actually a nice atmosphere for that game.

Jimmy Smith SHOULD be in the pride, but his off the field antics hurt him. I can see him eventually getting in, but the longer it takes, the less likely it seems that will happen. Like Brunell, there are still a lot of fans who would love to see him in the pride.

Putting MJD in the pride would not cheapen it one bit. His numbers are more than adequate to warrant consideration. If this bothers you, feel free to root for the team you actually are a fan of. MJD is one of the best players to ever put on a uniform for this franchise. This isn't the NFL Hall of Fame. It's the Pride of the JAGUARS. You seem to struggle with this.

Quote:What I'm saying is that the marketing folks at the stadium recognize they need to do other things to keep fans interested during a rebuild. Brunell was borderline, but the expectation going into last season was that this was going to be a bad team, so it was a smart marketing decision to induct a guy who is still very popular among local fans despite being gone from Jacksonville for a decade. The fans had something to look forward to, and it was actually a nice atmosphere for that game.

Jimmy Smith SHOULD be in the pride, but his off the field antics hurt him. I can see him eventually getting in, but the longer it takes, the less likely it seems that will happen. Like Brunell, there are still a lot of fans who would love to see him in the pride.

Putting MJD in the pride would not cheapen it one bit. His numbers are more than adequate to warrant consideration. If this bothers you, feel free to root for the team you actually are a fan of. MJD is one of the best players to ever put on a uniform for this franchise. This isn't the NFL Hall of Fame. It's the Pride of the JAGUARS. You seem to struggle with this.

Ding! Ding! For those who dont think MJD should get in. Name 5 heck even 2 players who played for the JAGUARS not named Tony B, Fred & J smooth who are better then MJD? Dont worry ill wait......

Quote:Ding! Ding! For those who dont think MJD should get in. Name 5 heck even 2 players who played for the JAGUARS not named Tony B, Fred & J smooth who are better then MJD? Dont worry ill wait......

What a stupid rationale.

Using your logic, if the team continued to draft bad QB over the years, then Garrard should make the ROH, merely by being better than those bad selections....smh...

MoJo was a very good RB for us, but theres gotta be a line drawn for a standard. I would think that line should be 10,000 yards for a career, unless some other outstanding reasoning/ rationale was met, such as singlehandedly putting the team on his back for a SB run or something. MoJo never did that or any other outstanding accomplishment. I think he should barely miss the ROH, personally.

Brunell shouldn't be in at all. His inclusion opens up the Pandora's box for all other not worthy players to be argued in.

Quote:So, you're insinuating that its okay to have lower standards for the Pride when you are rebuilding? Got it.

All that does to me is ultimately cheapen the honor.

Boselli, Fred and Jimmy should be the only ones in there right now.

MoJo? maybe....he's fringe. Certainly not a slam dunk.

No worries. Only those who attend games will have to look at the ROH anyway. It wont show too often on your Zenith.

As time goes on, I bet he gets in. I think he should. Freddy, Jimmy and Mojo are the guys who fans talk about long after their gone.



Mojo, seemingly tackled, no one sees him, after a short scrum, he emerges and busts a 80 yd TD. Mojo pancaking Merriman. Mojo running with 2-3 guys hanging on to him.

All this on being on a sub par team for years.

Just watching him live at Alltel, The Bank has provided enough memories to put him up there.

Quote:What a stupid rationale.

Using your logic, if the team continued to draft bad QB over the years, then Garrard should make the ROH, merely by being better than those bad selections....smh...

MoJo was a very good RB for us, but theres gotta be a line drawn for a standard. I would think that line should be 10,000 yards for a career, unless some other outstanding reasoning/ rationale was met, such as singlehandedly putting the team on his back for a SB run or something. MoJo never did that or any other outstanding accomplishment. I think he should barely miss the ROH, personally.

Brunell shouldn't be in at all. His inclusion opens up the Pandora's box for all other not worthy players to be argued in.

He had 13,000+ all purpose yards and 87 touchdowns. How is that not ROH worthy?

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No worries. Only those who attend games will have to look at the ROH anyway. It wont show too often on your Zenith.

As time goes on, I bet he gets in. I think he should. Freddy, Jimmy and Mojo are the guys who fans talk about long after their gone.



Mojo, seemingly tackled, no one sees him, after a short scrum, he emerges and busts a 80 yd TD. Mojo pancaking Merriman. Mojo running with 2-3 guys hanging on to him.

All this on being on a sub par team for years.

Just watching him live at Alltel, The Bank has provided enough memories to put him up there.

Your blurb here brings up a valid point. That Ring of Honor is for the fans and more importantly the fans that go to the stadium. When fans go there, and they see a name on the Ring, they not only remember the player, they remember their own participation in the crowd for when he was there.

They remember being in the stands and watching as the guy burst through the line or caught an unreal pass or made a crazy tackle or whatever. They remember not just what they saw, but the smell that was in the stadium, how it sounded when everyone else erupted, how it freaking felt to be there when the player made a great play. You simply cannot reproduce that memory that's in the fans' mind.

I would imagine that the fan whose butt is actually in the seat, and is paying the team to drink their beer and eat their food is a whole lot more important than the fan who is sitting at a BW3.

Quote:What a stupid rationale.

Using your logic, if the team continued to draft bad QB over the years, then Garrard should make the ROH, merely by being better than those bad selections....smh...

MoJo was a very good RB for us, but theres gotta be a line drawn for a standard. I would think that line should be 10,000 yards for a career, unless some other outstanding reasoning/ rationale was met, such as singlehandedly putting the team on his back for a SB run or something. MoJo never did that or any other outstanding accomplishment. I think he should barely miss the ROH, personally.

Brunell shouldn't be in at all. His inclusion opens up the Pandora's box for all other not worthy players to be argued in.

See now your reaching. MJD was darn good. Garrard No. Your first statement is not at all what I ment. Go back to the lab and try again. Agree 100% with bolded. Still didnt answer my question tho.

Quote:He had 13,000+ all purpose yards and 87 touchdowns. How is that not ROH worthy?

lol @ "all purpose yards"....thats not what I said as the standard. 10,000 rushing yards is what I cited for the standard of RB to be considered for induction.

If we're just counting all purpose yards, the total should be upwards of 15,000+ as the minimum for consideration.

Its supposed to mean something to make this thing, not just induct every single player than had a career here.

Quote:lol @ "all purpose yards"....thats not what I said as the standard. 10,000 rushing yards is what I cited for the standard of RB to be considered for induction.

If we're just counting all purpose yards, the total should be upwards of 15,000+ as the minimum for consideration.

Its supposed to mean something to make this thing, not just induct every single player than had a career here.

So Brunell probably should have had 60,000 yards before getting consideration right?

Quote:So Brunell probably should have had 60,000 yards before getting consideration right?

No, but I'd say at least 40,000 as a Jag. (minimum)

Quote:What a stupid rationale.

Using your logic, if the team continued to draft bad QB over the years, then Garrard should make the ROH, merely by being better than those bad selections....smh...

MoJo was a very good RB for us, but theres gotta be a line drawn for a standard. I would think that line should be 10,000 yards for a career, unless some other outstanding reasoning/ rationale was met, such as singlehandedly putting the team on his back for a SB run or something. MoJo never did that or any other outstanding accomplishment. I think he should barely miss the ROH, personally.

Brunell shouldn't be in at all. His inclusion opens up the Pandora's box for all other not worthy players to be argued in.

If there's this magical standard that only you are setting, how can you put Boselli in there with his injury shortened career?

And you're putting Fred Taylor in there based on rushing yards, but how many Pro Bowls did he wind up making the trip for?

Your opinion has absolutely no bearing on whether a player is entered into the Pride of the Jaguars, a ring of honor you've never actually seen, btw. The players who have been inducted so far earned their stripes to be considered some of the best players for the JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS. None of them are going to get serious consideration for the NFL Hall of Fame, which is a standard you're attempting to apply here, and the logic is completely flawed. Each player who has been inducted would get the consensus among fans, and the only one who fans would like to see go in is Jimmy Smith. I think eventually he gets in there.

If you consider this a ring of mediocrity, then it should be something you're completely comfortable with considering that's where you live your life in the real world, right? It's pretty amazing the high standards you set for things you have zero control over. I guess it just plays into your schtick though. If you set ridiculous standards for others, and they don't meet YOUR expectations, that gives you every right to do exactly what you do on this board on a daily basis; complain incessantly.

Quote:lol @ "all purpose yards"....thats not what I said as the standard. 10,000 rushing yards is what I cited for the standard of RB to be considered for induction.

If we're just counting all purpose yards, the total should be upwards of 15,000+ as the minimum for consideration.

Its supposed to mean something to make this thing, not just induct every single player than had a career here.

Why do you lol at all purpose yards? Is catching the ball out of the back field not important? MJD was one of the best pass catching backs in the league for a while. Had MJD not sit behind Fred Taylor earlier in his career, he most certainly would have passed 15,000 all purpose yards. You're such a clown.

This gets even better.

The diva has declared that it's a ring of mediocrity if MJD gets in eventually because he didn't get 10k rushing yards. That's it.

Let's keep in mind that this is the same diva who declared that David Garrard was an elite QB because of ONE STAT (QB Rating) in one season.

But, if we're comparing MJD and Fred Taylor, it makes complete sense that the diva would dismiss all purpose yards because that really wouldn't support his already weak view that Drew isn't worthy based on stats alone.

Fred Taylor:

Rushing Yards: 11,695

Receiving Yards: 2,384

Total Yards From Scrimmage:

14,079

Rushing TDs: 66

Receiving TDs: 8

Total TDs: 74

MJD:

Rushing Yards: 8,071

Receiving Yards: 2,873

RETURN Yards: 2,187

Total Yards From Scrimmage:

13,131

Rushing TDs: 68

Receiving TDs: 11

RETURN TDs: 2

Total TDs: 81

Yeah, MJD is really mediocre in comparison to Fred Taylor if you're only looking at one stat. Otherwise, he's every bit as deserving as Fred was based on stats alone.

If we're ONLY looking at the stats compiled as a Jaguar, you can take 447 yards off of Fred's all purpose totals, remove 4 of those touchdowns he scored in the running game, and it's even more entertaining to debate this with the barstool diva.

We won't even get into the discussion about how Fred played on much better offensive teams than MJD could have ever dreamed of playing on during his time here.

Quote:lol @ "all purpose yards"....thats not what I said as the standard. 10,000 rushing yards is what I cited for the standard of RB to be considered for induction.

If we're just counting all purpose yards, the total should be upwards of 15,000+ as the minimum for consideration.

Its supposed to mean something to make this thing, not just induct every single player than had a career here.

I think you're fighting a losing battle.

MJD had a healthy amount of rushing yards in Jacksonville and a buttload of touchdowns. If he were at 10,000 yards, we'd be talking about the Hall of Fame rather than the Pride because he'd be objectively superior to Fred Taylor at that point.

Also I think to even insinuate that MJD had just a "career" here or was just another guy is insulting and unappreciative of his contributions here.

Actually if people read what I said in this thread, I QUOTE said that MoJo was a "fringe" inductee. (post 102) I'm not naming him "just a guy". That was Brunell's career here.... :whistling: What I also did say was that MoJo into the ROH wouldn't be a "slam dunk", and it isn't.

I did say that MoJo didn't reach my standard of 10,000 rushing yards which IMO should be the benchmark for inductees from the RB position, again, unless they did some sort of rare feat like put this team on their back in a PLAYOFF run culminating in a SB title or something. But anything short of that, then I see MoJo as a fringe ROH player.

Quote:Why do you lol at all purpose yards? Is catching the ball out of the back field not important? MJD was one of the best pass catching backs in the league for a while. Had MJD not sit behind Fred Taylor earlier in his career, he most certainly would have passed 15,000 all purpose yards. You're such a clown.

lol @ "shoeman" calling me a clown....

One could equally cite that had MoJo been getting more of a workload early on maybe he'd have broken down even sooner than he ultimately did. (which I called, way back several years ago, btw....) But no, I was bashed by the same people bashing here, as they said "no no no MoJo will still be playing at a high level into age 31-32"....rofl...

Quote:Actually if people read what I said in this thread, I QUOTE said that MoJo was a "fringe" inductee. (post 102) I'm not naming him "just a guy". That was Brunell's career here.... :whistling: What I also did say was that MoJo into the ROH wouldn't be a "slam dunk", and it isn't.

I did say that MoJo didn't reach my standard of 10,000 rushing yards which IMO should be the benchmark for inductees from the RB position, again, unless they did some sort of rare feat like put this team on their back in a PLAYOFF run culminating in a SB title or something. But anything short of that, then I see MoJo as a fringe ROH player.

I think MJD kept this team from being winless one or two years if that counts.

Quote:So we are saying the next RB to be inducted into the ROH has to have 14,000+ yards (rushing and receiving)...plus exceed 93 total TDs? Man I guess we are never inducting another RB into the ROH.

Prime of their careers, who do you choose....Fred or MJD?

At this point that should tell you if he should be in or not. In my opinion, I would choose Fred and keep MJD out of the ring of honor. Good player, but he has done some questionable things while on this team.

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