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Quote:I'd take MJD. Fred Taylor was better for longer, but I think MJD was the better player in his prime.


I expect a bunch of people to disagree with that though.

Definitely disagree. Taylor in his prime was among the all time greats. He had injuries early in his career or he would have finished in the top 5 all time. MJD was a nifty runner, and a great talent. He was particularly noteable for having so much power with a small stature. But he was no Fred Taylor. I think the next RB to go into the ROH should equal or surpass him.

Quote:Definitely disagree. Taylor in his prime was among the all time greats. He had injuries early in his career or he would have finished in the top 5 all time. MJD was a nifty runner, and a great talent. He was particularly noteable for having so much power with a small stature. But he was no Fred Taylor. I think the next RB to go into the ROH should equal or surpass him.

Taylor... All day every day.

Quote:Definitely disagree. Taylor in his prime was among the all time greats. He had injuries early in his career or he would have finished in the top 5 all time. MJD was a nifty runner, and a great talent. He was particularly noteable for having so much power with a small stature. But he was no Fred Taylor. I think the next RB to go into the ROH should equal or surpass him.

 

I actually thought Fred was one of the bigger RB of the time. His size was deceptive though. Wasn't he like 6'1, 230?? Thats pretty big for most HB's. When you consider how fast/ quick he was at that size, it just makes it more impressive.  

Quote:I actually thought Fred was one of the bigger RB of the time. His size was deceptive though. Wasn't he like 6'1, 230?? Thats pretty big for most HB's. When you consider how fast/ quick he was at that size, it just makes it more impressive.  

 

6-1, 230, 4.4 40, could run over a linebacker, and outrun a defensive back. 

 

I remember the Colts at Jags, Mike Doss had tackled Fred in the previous game and pushed his head into the ground when he was getting off him and Fred felt disrespected.   Fred didn't do a lot of talking, but all week he said he was going to "punish" Mike Doss.   So late in the game, Colts in the lead, handoff to Fred, up the middle, and lo and behold, there's Mike Doss, the last man between Fred and the goal line, and Fred TRUCKS him, just flattens the guy, and scores the winning TD.   And the last 20 yards to the end zone, he is looking back at Mike Doss who is lying on the ground.   What a great memory that was. 

Quote:I disagree.   I saw them both, in the stadium, live, for almost every game they played.   Fred Taylor was incredible.   MJD was very very good, maybe great, but Fred Taylor was a solid notch above MJD.  

 

Bucs at Jags, 1998, Bucs in the lead, 2 minutes to go, Jags with the ball on their own 30 yard line, what's the correct play call?  

 

RUN THE BALL OFF TACKLE of course. 

 
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcF8opmq720'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcF8opmq720</a>

I agree...MJD was very good at what he did...but Fred was a thing of beauty to watch every time!!!

Quote:I actually thought Fred was one of the bigger RB of the time. His size was deceptive though. Wasn't he like 6'1, 230?? Thats pretty big for most HB's. When you consider how fast/ quick he was at that size, it just makes it more impressive.  

 

If Fred played for a consistent playoff team throughout his career, he would be recognized nationally as an all time great. He was phenomenal, but largely unknown outside of Jacksonville except for avid NFL fans. I'm not saying he was obscure, but he wasn't seen enough on national broadcasts and in the playoffs for people to realize how good he really was.

In his prime, there are very few running backs in the history of the league who were as good as Taylor.  His combination of size, speed, and elusiveness are pretty rare.  Taylor could flip a play with a single cut back. 

 

That doesn't diminish what MJD meant to THIS team, and it doesn't prevent Drew from being added to the pride when the time comes.  For all of the dynamics of Fred's skillset, MJD proved to be his equal statistically in many ways, and exceeded Taylor in others.  He isn't as elusive, but with his build, that's not necessary.  He pounded out his stats, earning just about every inch of yardage he gained while he was here. 

 

For some here to say he doesn't deserve the honor, I completely disagree.  He warrants every consideration.

No one disputes how good of a player MJD was.  I think it's more about the RoH itself and how people think of it.  One way to think about it, is that it's a rarefied honor in the extreme, open to a select few.  But maybe it's open to any very good or great player who played a good chunk of his career for the Jags.  This would make perfect sense, since Brunell's falls into the latter category.

 

For myself, I'd be happy if there were perhaps a half dozen players or less over the course of the first 50 years of the franchise.  

 

But since Brunell *is* in there, MJD definitely should go into because they were in the same kind of hemisphere in terms of ability at their positions.  The thing is, if those guys go, you also have to consider guys like Kevin Hardy,Tony Brackens, Meester, JSmooth, McCardel, Kyle Brady, etc.  You could make arguments for any of them and probably a few others and so the RoH starts to get crowded pretty quickly.

Quote:I disagree.   I saw them both, in the stadium, live, for almost every game they played.   Fred Taylor was incredible.   MJD was very very good, maybe great, but Fred Taylor was a solid notch above MJD.  

 

Bucs at Jags, 1998, Bucs in the lead, 2 minutes to go, Jags with the ball on their own 30 yard line, what's the correct play call?  

 

RUN THE BALL OFF TACKLE of course. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcF8opmq720

You're entitled to your opinion. I too have seen almost every game they've both played, and MJD is at least on par with Fred on the ground.

 

An argument could be made either way.

Quote:Thank you. That play was incredible, especially given the situation. I don't think another RB in the entire league is able to execute that play at that time, other than Fred. On the flip side, I don't think there was ever a moment you could say those same words about MoJo. He was very good, but simply wasn't on the level of a Fred Taylor. 

When you say that, I immediately think of this:

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highl...5-yd-catch

 

Like I said, you're entitled to your opinions, but as far as the position of running back goes, with all it entails, I'll take MJD who had a knack for landing in the endzone.

Quote:No one disputes how good of a player MJD was.  I think it's more about the RoH itself and how people think of it.  One way to think about it, is that it's a rarefied honor in the extreme, open to a select few.  But maybe it's open to any very good or great player who played a good chunk of his career for the Jags.  This would make perfect since in Brunell's case because I think he falls into the latter category.

 

For myself, I'd be happy if there were perhaps a half dozen players or less over the course of the first 50 years of the franchise.  

 

But since Brunell *is* in there, MJD definitely should go into because they were in the same kind of hemisphere in terms of ability at their positions.  The thing is, if those guys go, you also have to consider guys like Kevin Hardy,Tony Brackens, Meester, JSmooth, McCardel, Kyle Brady, etc.  You could make arguments for any of them and probably a few others and so the RoH starts to get crowded pretty quickly.

 

As was my original point, MJD absolutely deserves to go in. He's easily one of the top 4 best players in Jags history and is the sole saving grace of the 2008-2012 Jacksonville Jaguars teams.

At a higher level, this could be like comparing Emmitt and Barry Sanders.

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But since Brunell *is* in there, MJD definitely should go into because they were in the same kind of hemisphere in terms of ability at their positions.  The thing is, if those guys go, you also have to consider guys like Kevin Hardy,Tony Brackens, Meester, JSmooth, McCardel, Kyle Brady, etc.  You could make arguments for any of them and probably a few others and so the RoH starts to get crowded pretty quickly.

 

Precisely why the Brunell inclusion was a mistake. Players like Hardy, Brady, and Brackens should be nowhere near the ROH. 

Quote:At a higher level, this could be like comparing Emmitt and Barry Sanders.

 

More like Barry Sanders and Curtis Martin

Quote:More like Barry Sanders and Curtis Martin

Are you saying MJD is Barry Sanders and Fred Taylor is Curtis Martin?

 

Because if so, now you're selling Fred short.

 

If you're trying to suggest the opposite... Well, then I don't think you've actually seen either of those players play, no offense.

Quote:Are you saying MJD is Barry Sanders and Fred Taylor is Curtis Martin?

 

Because if so, now you're selling Fred short.

 

If you're trying to suggest the opposite... Well, then I don't think you've actually seen either of those players play, no offense.

No.. what I think he's saying is that Emmitt really wasn't that physically gifted. He had the luxury of playing behind the greatest O-line in NFL history. If you had put Sanders behind the Cowboys O-line, Barry would have ran for 2,000 every single year. I have no doubt about that.

The franchise was young and guys like Boselli and Brunell were a big part in the start of this franchise.  I'm sure that plays a big part for them being in the ROH. 

Quote:Are you saying MJD is Barry Sanders and Fred Taylor is Curtis Martin?

 

Because if so, now you're selling Fred short.

 

If you're trying to suggest the opposite... Well, then I don't think you've actually seen either of those players play, no offense.

 

Saying the opposite, but not in the context you are understanding apparently...

 

Barry/ FRed would be the special talents, whereas MoJo/ Martin would be the "very good" players but not elite runners. 

 

 

 

lol.....this board and its penchant for accusing others of not watching player x or y....smh....

 

We're all avid football fans and have been watching pretty much every player out there. Not sure why people love to make that former accusation all the time, as if we were instead watching LA Law and never seen a football game ever, and wouldn't know Barry Sanders from Barry White....

Quote:I loved MJD as much as the next fan while he was here with the Jags. He was the face of the franchise for a lot of years. But is he worthy of being in the ring of honor? Not to me. He leaves with just over 8000 rushing yards and 68 touchdowns. Impressive stats, but not worthy of the team's hall of fame. When compared to Fred Taylor, the yardage looks pedestrian. I think honoring the all time greats of a franchise should be reserved to just that, all time greats. History will tell if I'm right or wrong, but what if a couple backs end up between that 8000 of MJD and the over 11000 of Freddy. Do they automatically get in as well? And if so, does it start looking watered down?

 

I have no problem with the names in the ring so far. Outside of Jimmy Smith, I just don't see another player who should be even close to considered for the ROH, including MJD.

I agree.  He was the face of the franchise, and a great player the first 4 or 5 years, with the ability to score on any given play.  That WAS exciting to watch.  He is kind of on the fringe of the ROH in my mind.

 

However, he failed to keep his mouth shut, acted like a baby, and tried to bully the new owner into a new contract in his last two very mediocre years, so a definite NO in my book.

Quote:You're entitled to your opinion. I too have seen almost every game they've both played, and MJD is at least on par with Fred on the ground.

 

An argument could be made either way.

When you say that, I immediately think of this:

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highl...5-yd-catch

 

Like I said, you're entitled to your opinions, but as far as the position of running back goes, with all it entails, I'll take MJD who had a knack for landing in the endzone.

 

That's funny.  You talked about MJD's knack for landing in the end zone, but you picked a play where he got caught on the 1 yard line.  

Quote:You're entitled to your opinion. I too have seen almost every game they've both played, and MJD is at least on par with Fred on the ground.

 

An argument could be made either way.

When you say that, I immediately think of this:

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highl...5-yd-catch

 

Like I said, you're entitled to your opinions, but as far as the position of running back goes, with all it entails, I'll take MJD who had a knack for landing in the endzone.

Fred wouldn't have been caught from behind...  He was a physical freak of nature.  Nobody his size and with his power should be able to run as fast as him, and he certainly shouldn't have had the lateral quickness to go with it.

 

Mojo definitely had a nose for the endzone, but Fred's biggest roadblock to the goal-line was always Coughlin.  So many times I saw Fred earn a TD for this team only for Coughlin to pull him for a "short-yardage back" when we got close to the end-zone.  Irritated me to no end considering our short-yardage backs were never better than Taylor in short-yardage situations.  Cost him lots of TD's, and probably Pro-Bowls, and possibly even a shot at the HOF.