Quote:You want to gamble the #3 overall on a guy who's primary attribute is something you can't even describe? .gif "Laughing")
It's easy to explain......fans and media who are infatuated with a player for reasons beyond his football abilities simply say he has "it".(but can't tell you what "it" is)
Tebow is a great example; hype way beyond his ability.
Gabbert is a terrible example; he's missing the most important skill a QB has......a football IQ. He simply doesn't know what to do with the ball. He'll leave a good pocket on one play, then stay while it's collapsing and get buried on the next. He can't find a receiver with a GPS unit and he freezes like a deer in the headlights when he sees a rush coming.
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I think "it" has alot to do with instinct. You cant teach it. Gabbert had bad instincts.
Quote:Then Bucky Brooks is a [BAD WORD REMOVED].
Playing catch with uncovered WR shouldn't sway anything.
It should if a guy cant do it
Quote:You want to gamble the #3 overall on a guy who's primary attribute is something you can't even describe?
It's easy to explain......fans and media who are infatuated with a player for reasons beyond his football abilities simply say he has "it".(but can't tell you what "it" is)
Tebow is a great example; hype way beyond his ability.
Gabbert is a terrible example; he's missing the most important skill a QB has......a football IQ. He simply doesn't know what to do with the ball. He'll leave a good pocket on one play, then stay while it's collapsing and get buried on the next. He can't find a receiver with a GPS unit and he freezes like a deer in the headlights when he sees a rush coming.
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It seems people are confusing hype and 'the it factor.' Simply put, hype is the media-driven buzz surrounding a player which does not reflect ability to play football but rather advertisement-selling power, e.g. Tebow who was a Christian celebrity. The 'it factor' is generated by the player and reflected on the field by his football instincts, leadership ability and poise under duress. It's mostly to do with confidence in your ability and communicating that confidence to your squad.
Quote:It seems people are confusing hype and 'the it factor.' Simply put, hype is the media-driven buzz surrounding a player which does not reflect ability to play football but rather advertisement-selling power, e.g. Tebow who was a Christian celebrity. The 'it factor' is generated by the player and reflected on the field by his football instincts, leadership ability and poise under duress. It's mostly to do with confidence in your ability and communicating that confidence to your squad.
^^This.
It is leadership charisma. Can you get the best out of those around you. Manziel has it in spades. The one place where he needs improvement is progressions, etc. Good coaching can elevate this. And though that's not a minor thing, he has all the raw talent and intangibles that you can't teach.
If he will apply himself and has the benefit of good coaching, he can be a special player.
Quote:His first reason was ticket sales....sorry if I don't take him seriously.
This was actually the first reason. "Go ahead and take a guy they think can play"
Then the 2nd reason "Couple that with boosting this city's excitement level"
Quote:This was actually the first reason. "Go ahead and take a guy they think can play"
Then the 2nd reason "Couple that with boosting this city's excitement level"
Why'd you stop and leave off this?
Couple that with boosting this city's excitement level -- ticket sales, jerseys, people coming out to watch this team play.
It's just the same BS we heard for years about Tebow. Caldwell is not going to draft someone for "ticket sales" or "jerseys".
Charles Davis being an oblivious idiot is like water being wet, lol.
Quote:Caldwell is not going to draft someone for "ticket sales" or "jerseys".
I don't think anyone has ever said that Jaguars should select Manziel SOLELY or even PRIMARILY because of 'ticket sales' and 'jerseys'. But that it is an added bonus that not only sets him apart from every other prospect in the 2014 draft, but anyone who doesn't at least factor that in, doesn't know how much the NFL is truly a
business.
Certainly at some point the Jaguars brass have at least discussed the financial side of it.
Going from the least watched NFL team nationally(I would assume), to one of if not the most watched teams? One of the least valuable teams(according to Forbes) last year, to perhaps the highest yearly-revenues in Jaguar history next year by drafting one single guy? Going from the team most rumored to be shipped off to London, to the hottest ticket in the NFL, highest selling jersey, most popular player, etc?
That's no small thing Buns. The JAguars couldn't buy that kind of exposure if they wanted to.
Listen, i'll be the first to agree with you and quote your posts that it's dumb to say lets get Johnny cause he'll sell tickets. But for a team like ours that is not only looking for a franchise QB, but in many ways a financial turnaround and economic boost to the franchise, the city, to building up our downtown, etc, Manziel could be hitting two birds with one stone.
You don't get many opportunities like this, that make the Fans happy with the most exciting player in football on the field, the Coach happy with arguably the best available QB in the draft, and the Owner happy by making him very-very rich. This is very big for a team like ours.
What do you think Buns? Is there any truth in that?
Jersey sales!!
Excitement!!
I have an idea.
Just win baby. Thats exciting.
Quote:Jersey sales!!
Excitement!!
I have an idea.
Just win baby. Thats exciting.
What if you could get both with just one pick? :thumbsup:
Quote:I don't think anyone has ever said that Jaguars should select Manziel SOLELY or even PRIMARILY because of 'ticket sales' and 'jerseys'. But that it is an added bonus that not only sets him apart from every other prospect in the 2014 draft, but anyone who doesn't at least factor that in, doesn't know how much the NFL is truly a business. Certainly at some point the Jaguars brass have at least discussed the financial side of it.
Going from the least watched NFL team nationally(I would assume), to one of if not the most watched teams? One of the least valuable teams(according to Forbes) last year, to perhaps the highest yearly-revenues in Jaguar history next year by drafting one single guy? Going from the team most rumored to be shipped off to London, to the hottest ticket in the NFL, highest selling jersey, most popular player, etc?
That's no small thing Buns. The JAguars couldn't buy that kind of exposure if they wanted to.
Listen, i'll be the first to agree with you and quote your posts that it's dumb to say lets get Johnny cause he'll sell tickets. But for a team like ours that is not only looking for a franchise QB, but in many ways a financial turnaround and economic boost to the franchise, the city, to building up our downtown, etc, Manziel could be hitting two birds with one stone.
You don't get many opportunities like this, that make the Fans happy with the most exciting player in football on the field, the Coach happy with arguably the best available QB in the draft, and the Owner happy by making him very-very rich. This is very big for a team like ours.
What do you think Buns? Is there any truth in that?
You copy and pasted the Tebow template from the last four offseasons. Congrats?
Quote:I don't think anyone has ever said that Jaguars should select Manziel SOLELY or even PRIMARILY because of 'ticket sales' and 'jerseys'. But that it is an added bonus that not only sets him apart from every other prospect in the 2014 draft, but anyone who doesn't at least factor that in, doesn't know how much the NFL is truly a business. Certainly at some point the Jaguars brass have at least discussed the financial side of it.
Going from the least watched NFL team nationally(I would assume), to one of if not the most watched teams? One of the least valuable teams(according to Forbes) last year, to perhaps the highest yearly-revenues in Jaguar history next year by drafting one single guy? Going from the team most rumored to be shipped off to London, to the hottest ticket in the NFL, highest selling jersey, most popular player, etc?
That's no small thing Buns. The JAguars couldn't buy that kind of exposure if they wanted to.
Listen, i'll be the first to agree with you and quote your posts that it's dumb to say lets get Johnny cause he'll sell tickets. But for a team like ours that is not only looking for a franchise QB, but in many ways a financial turnaround and economic boost to the franchise, the city, to building up our downtown, etc, Manziel could be hitting two birds with one stone.
You don't get many opportunities like this, that make the Fans happy with the most exciting player in football on the field, the Coach happy with arguably the best available QB in the draft, and the Owner happy by making him very-very rich. This is very big for a team like ours.
What do you think Buns? Is there any truth in that?
This brings up the same issues that Tebow did. Someone please show me any sort of proof that drafting Johnny Football would substantially change attendance initially.
The Tebow argument
may have had some merit, as he as a local legend. Johnny isn't.
Sure, the Jaguars would be more of a television curiosity than they are now. I just don't see large numbers (perhaps not even small numbers) rushing to buy tickets. If Johnny plays great (would he even start anytime soon?) and the team starts winning, then tickets will sell.
People who want to see an NFL team have tickets. Until they win I don't see Johnny moving the needle all that much.
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Listen, i'll be the first to agree with you and quote your posts that it's dumb to say lets get Johnny cause he'll sell tickets. But for a team like ours that is not only looking for a franchise QB, but in many ways a financial turnaround and economic boost to the franchise, the city, to building up our downtown, etc, Manziel could be hitting two birds with one stone.
Manziel will help build up downtown Jacksonville? Wow, thats a new one.
Quote:Sure, the Jaguars would be more of a television curiosity than they are now. I just don't see large numbers (perhaps not even small numbers) rushing to buy tickets.
A&M was a 7-4 team last year, 4th place in the SEC west. And yet their games last season were the 3rd most watched college team in the nation. More people tuned in to watch Manziel than watched the undefeated Seminoles, than Ohio State, than Texas, Oregon, the Gators, etc. That's crazy Adam. It makes no sense. People have said that he had the most talked about(perhaps the most watched) pro day in history. There's just something about him.
IMO RG3 didn't have half the exposure Manziel did, and yet he revitalized the Redskins, broke the NFL jersey-sales record his first year. I dunno, I think people will be amazed the money that will follow Manziel(already with NIke, Mcdonalds, etc). It's just hard to guestimate now because college players aren't allowed to make profits. But everything he's done so far has drawn a crowd or made money. EAsily the most popular non-pro athlete in the nation right now.
Quote:Manziel will help build up downtown Jacksonville? Wow, thats a new one.
Yes, physically with his own hands, lol.
No, seriously though Shack. I don't think Jaguars fans can quite wrap their minds around the financial impact on the entire city of having the most popular non-pro athlete in the nation(soon to be pro) in our city and as the face of our franchise. We've been trying to build-up/spruce up our downtown, especially around the stadium for years. It's amazing what some of these mega sports stars can do to/for smaller cities.
Just ask Cleveland what having Lebron James did for their city, and it's financial impact on Cleveland's economy when he left.
Some financial experts estimated that the value of the Cleveland franchise dropped 200-million dollars the minute his 'decision' went public. And countless millions seemingly lost in bars, transportation, hotels, etc, etc, that having the biggest name in sports brought to the city.
http://www.consumermiser.com/2010/07/07/...al-impact/
It's all conjecture at this point of course, but hopefully I'm making some sense.
Quote:What do you think Buns? Is there any truth in that?
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Soooooo, I'm guessing that's a no, lol.