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Quote:I'm curious, exactly what signing do you think would have put the Jaguars "over the top" this season?  

 

We are more then one or two players away from reaching the top.   You first shore up the foundation then think about building UP.  

 

Well...perhaps that was poorly phrased on my part.

 

Given the numerous holes on the roster, no one guy would have put the Jaguars "over the top."

 

But there was no guy signed that appears to give us a definite matchup advantage, either.

Nutshell:

 

We all like Bradley's personality. The players do seem to like playing for him, no doubt. The fans love his enthusiasm. That said, I don't think Bradley being here has made an impact on significant roster improvement. Beadles came here because we overpaid him. Perhaps the Seattle influx can be more so credited to Bradley, but thats not uncommon or unprecedented to have former players follow a coach. 

 

I see FBT's assertion as incomplete. 

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We need to add some stud impact players, too. 

 

 

 

I wish there was a draft for that...

Quote:Nutshell:

 

We all like Bradley's personality. The players do seem to like playing for him, no doubt. The fans love his enthusiasm. That said, I don't think Bradley being here has made an impact on significant roster improvement. Beadles came here because we overpaid him. Perhaps the Seattle influx can be more so credited to Bradley, but thats not uncommon or unprecedented to have former players follow a coach. 

 

I see FBT's assertion as incomplete. 

 

There really is no evidence unless a player speaks out as to whether he has made an impact or not. It really all is irrelevant due to the fact that his record on the field is what matters. I don't care what type of players we have when we make it deep into the playoffs, Just as long as we do. Same goes for Caldwell.

 

Doesn't matter how you get there. All that matters is that you DO get there and stay there for years to come.

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We all like Bradley's personality. The players do seem to like playing for him, no doubt. The fans love his enthusiasm. That said, I don't think Bradley being here has made an impact on significant roster improvement. Beadles came here because we overpaid him. Perhaps the Seattle influx can be more so credited to Bradley, but thats not uncommon or unprecedented to have former players follow a coach. 

 

I see FBT's assertion as incomplete. 

You're not smart enough to recognize the difference between Bradley being A factor as I'm asserting vs. Bradley being THE factor, which I did not imply. 

 

The money is always going to be the primary factor, but for a small market team who doesn't have deep pockets other large market franchises come to the table with, having that extra card to play can only help this team.  It's not difficult to understand.

Quote:WHew, glad we were able to seal the deal with Dekoda Watson due to having Bradley in tow. 

 

Please,....until we land someone of relevance because of Bradley being here, the above post is nothing but a puff piece. 

 

A blind monkey could have written your response.

 

Canned, canned, canned...

 

You really need a new hobby.  Hopefully, one you're actually talented at.

 

Someone's jealous that someone can actually start a thread with intelligent, well thought out and articulated opinions.

 

Unlike yourself.

Quote:Some of the signings were decent, inexpensive. Cog type. None of the signings made were really difference makers though. 

 

Your post just seems a bit silly, when you consider the type of signings we are making. I mean, if Bradley's presence was directly quoted for a player like a Jairus Byrd or Alex Mack signing, then thats one thing....but lol, c'mon...using it for signings like Watson & Willie Young is kinda funny. 

You do remember we weren't even getting these type guys previously right?  We got people that would take the money and run. 

I think it will payoff with Gus whenit comes to signing Priority undrafted free agents.

Quote:You're not smart enough to recognize the difference between Bradley being A factor as I'm asserting vs. Bradley being THE factor, which I did not imply. 

 

 

 

 

 

Your thread title most certainly implies it. 

Quote:I'm of a mixed opinion on this topic.

 

On the one hand, it is good that finally we are active in free agency again.

 

I got sick of the Ketchmanite mantra of "No bargains the first week of free agency" every year, as other teams got good players.

 

I think the team had some decent signings thus far.  Bryant and Beadles upgrades LDE and LG, respectively.

 

Gerhart intrigues me and, if he gets the C and G, could be a very productive RB.  Almost like this generation's Keenan McCardell signing.

 

I am not AGAINST these signings so far, and I would applaud a Thurmond signing.

 

Furthermore, we need role players.  Not every free agent signing can be a top dollar, premiere guy.

 

But are these guys difference makers?  Are they catalysts?  Do any of these guys give us matchup advantages the way a shut down corner like Talib would?

 

I think these signings represent progress, but no one of these guys, at face value, appears to put the Jaguars "over the top."

 

Let's not have the illusion that we could have ever been put "over the top" with a single free agency period.  That's simply not realistic.

 

The addition of Bryant, Beadles, and Gearhart are plenty to be justifiably upbeat about.

 

The point is that players are gravitating towards Gus.  This is a feeling we haven't ever had here.  It's certainly something new, and something to watch, especially if it's something we can build on.

Quote:Your thread title most certainly implies it. 

Being the guy who can help close the deal doesn't mean that's the only factor in getting there. 

 

I'd try to equate it to someone in the corporate world who is being courted by multiple companies, but it would fall on deaf ears since there isn't a mad dash to hire the best fry cook among fast food chains.

Quote:Your thread title most certainly implies it. 

Actually, his title means EXACTLY what he just said.  Gus is A factor.  Not THE factor.  Once all the other items are on the table you bring in the closer to seal the deal.    That's what a closer is....one additional part that may put the finishing touch on the deal

 

If you didn't always look to argue/criticize you would understand that.

Quote:I wish there was a draft for that...

 

It shouldn't need to be explained.  But then, you're dealing with someone who's perspective is fantasy football and not the real thing.

We can debate whether the Jaguars have signed a true difference maker...or for that matter, whether the Jaguars SHOULD sign one at this point.

 

But there is a question to be asked.

 

Caldwell said his goal this offseason is to improve the top 1/3 of the roster.

 

Assuming the team signs Thurmond and/or Young, would you say at this early stage, he has achieved that goal yet?

 

If not, would additional free agent signings do the trick, or would we have to wait until after the draft to be able to definitively state he's improved the top 1/3 of the roster?

Quote:You do remember we weren't even getting these type guys previously right?  We got people that would take the money and run. 

 

Yes, but ask yourself, was that the culmination of a GM/ front office that was flawed in who they were targeting, or was it that we didn't have "Bradley" as the beacon?

Quote:Let's not have the illusion that we could have ever been put "over the top" with a single free agency period.  That's simply not realistic.

 

The addition of Bryant, Beadles, and Gearhart are plenty to be justifiably upbeat about.

 

The point is that players are gravitating towards Gus.  This is a feeling we haven't ever had here.  It's certainly something new, and something to watch, especially if it's something we can build on.

Yeah...I regret that closing statement.  No one guy, no matter how good, would have put this team over the top.

 

But the larger point about being a difference maker/catalyst/game changer remains.

 

That said, I like the signings thus far.  It is a step in the right direction.

Quote:We can debate whether the Jaguars have signed a true difference maker...or for that matter, whether the Jaguars SHOULD sign one at this point.

 

But there is a question to be asked.

 

Caldwell said his goal this offseason is to improve the top 1/3 of the roster.

 

Assuming the team signs Thurmond and/or Young, would you say at this early stage, he has achieved that goal yet?

 

If not, would additional free agent signings do the trick, or would we have to wait until after the draft to be able to definitively state he's improved the top 1/3 of the roster?

I don't think you can really make any evaluations at this point.  Free agency has just begun, and there's been no draft. 

 

Once we're past the draft, and the team has had an opportunity to look at the remaining holes to see if they can be addressed with the remaining pool of free agents, then we can start to determine where the team is at. 

 

Even then, nothing is certain until these guys take the field and show what they can do.  That's when we'll really see whether they've improved the top 1/3 of the roster or not.

Quote:You're not smart enough to recognize the difference between Bradley being A factor as I'm asserting vs. Bradley being THE factor, which I did not imply. 

 

The money is always going to be the primary factor, but for a small market team who doesn't have deep pockets other large market franchises come to the table with, having that extra card to play can only help this team.  It's not difficult to understand.

 

Way to be a moderator and still yet sink below yourself to insult people. I really don't get it and its bothering me. It doesn't matter how long he has been having unpopular opinions. Right or wrong. Doesnt matter. Why can't we as a small community learn to deal with unpopular opinions?

Quote:What are you talking about, they signed Henne. He's definitely a difference maker.


Not necessarily the kind of difference you want from a QB, but he's certainly going to make a difference.

Still hung up on that huh?

A thread made to praise the HC?  Must....find fault...with that...