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Big time out.

 

Detroit's Third Rounder is 76 not 75

 

I beg everyone's pardon.

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This trade is much more fair than the last trade.  I wouldn't be happy if Caldwell made this trade mind you.  But the trade looks more even to me.  I'd like to hear why you think it's a bad trade.  

Because the last trade you move up in 2 rounds and you still get one of the top QBs who IMO are all pretty close, the top WR, or the top pass rushers outside of Clowney are still on the board.  Now at 10 Watkins will be gone, Bortles will go to Min., and Barr and Mack will most likely be gone for a 3rd round pick.  eh

As long as both teams agree to the trade, I see no need to vote on whether it should pass or not. This is just for fun, and teams make questionable draft day deals all the time.

When we traded for Blackmon, we went from 7 to 5 and it cost us a 4th rounder.  A high 3rd rounder seems steep IMO.  Not gonna veto, but I don't know whether this would occur in real life.  Lord knows, these trades have slowed things enough.  Just sayin'.   I mean..  why would the Jags even have to think for a second to agree to this?

Quote:When we traded for Blackmon, we went from 7 to 5 and it cost us a 4th rounder.  A high 3rd rounder seems steep IMO.  Not gonna veto, but I don't know whether this would occur in real life.  Lord knows, these trades have slowed things enough.  Just sayin'.   I mean..  why would the Jags even have to think for a second to agree to this?

No way would Dave do this trade, he would take Bortles at 5.

Wow... so glad I'm not in this. Jungle Cats plan is to probably get 7 3rd rounders

Quote:Because the last trade you move up in 2 rounds and you still get one of the top QBs who IMO are all pretty close, the top WR, or the top pass rushers outside of Clowney are still on the board.  Now at 10 Watkins will be gone, Bortles will go to Min., and Barr and Mack will most likely be gone for a 3rd round pick.  eh

 

I'd presume that JungleCat has no interest in those players.  Those players being gone are probably why I wouldn't like for Caldwell to do it.  But the trade is mostly fair.  I don't think moving up a couple of picks in the later rounds are worth moving back in the 1st round.  1st rounders are worth more than 2nd and 3rd rounders (combined.)  JMO.  The trade seemed to me like it was an offer to ensure that the trade back happened, because Oakland gave up nothing.  

How are these trades fair?  Maybe b/c there isn't enough trade bait... but you think if the Browns who really wanted to get Manziel at pick 2, would only to swap 2nd and 3rd round picks... wouldn't do it in a heart beat?  

 

or Det or any team outside the top 6... is guaranteed Barr, Mack, Clowney, Bridgewater, Matthews, or Watkins wouldn't give up JUST their 2nd round pick to get one of them?  

 

This reminds me of the Browns a few years ago who really wanted Alex Mack and traded down twice to get him.  They passed up a bunch of great talent to pick him and all those trade downs netted them Mohammed Massaquoi and David Veikune.  

Quote:No way would Dave do this trade, he would take Bortles at 5.

 

This... As Jaguars fans... you guys would pass up a franchise QB at 5 or Mack or Barr for Greg Robinson or David Carr or whoever he is targeting?  Each draft has a few amount of stars (they don't always pan out) but you don't trade out of the spot unless you get a great offer.  

Quote:I'd presume that JungleCat has no interest in those players.  Those players being gone are probably why I wouldn't like for Caldwell to do it.  But the trade is mostly fair.  I don't think moving up a couple of picks in the later rounds are worth moving back in the 1st round.  1st rounders are worth more than 2nd and 3rd rounders (combined.)  JMO.  The trade seemed to me like it was an offer to ensure that the trade back happened, because Oakland gave up nothing.  

Its not about the rounds its about the players/prospects that will be on the board.  Last years first round pick was not the same value as the year before when Luck was the 1st pick, same with the 2nd pick.  Bortles is just as good as any prospect in this draft IMO and if you can move up in rounds 2 and 3 and still get him its a good deal IMO.

Jungle Cat has single handedly manage to turn this simple fun draft game into total chaos and idiocracy

I think Caldwell would take a high 3rd rounder in a heartbeat and slide down the 5 spots.  It's not like we're ONLY a QB away from contention. 

My hope is that by the end of round one this thread resembles the current state of the Ukraine.

I can't comment at this time, but I will provide justification at a later time.

I like what jungle cat has done other than I would have taken teddy at 3.

I see plenty of value at 10 still will it be Bortles? Probably not but I think there is a LB there easily or the top Corner.

 

Why not pick up a 3rd for it.

 

If your not sold on the QBs there that high then why get one just to get one?

Quote:Its not about the rounds its about the players/prospects that will be on the board.  Last years first round pick was not the same value as the year before when Luck was the 1st pick, same with the 2nd pick.  Bortles is just as good as any prospect in this draft IMO and if you can move up in rounds 2 and 3 and still get him its a good deal IMO.

 

The gain just isn't worth it imo.  I'd certainly want more out of Oakland than a simple swap.  I'd want an extra pick somewhere.  I'd be very disappointed if Dave did that trade.  He can still get a good player, but at the same time the value he got for the trade wasn't very good.  I don't think GM's will trade in the 1st round just because they can (in later rounds, maybe.  I've seen it happen).  I'd expect Dave to get more out of it.

Quote:I like what jungle cat has done other than I would have taken teddy at 3.

 

agree I would have taken teddy at 3 if he or Clowney were gone then I would keep trading back getting picks.

Quote:The gain just isn't worth it imo.  I'd certainly want more out of Oakland than a simple swap.  I'd want an extra pick somewhere.  I'd be very disappointed if Dave did that trade.  He can still get a good player, but at the same time the value he got for the trade wasn't very good.  I don't think GM's will trade in the 1st round just because they can (in later rounds, maybe.  I've seen it happen).  I'd expect Dave to get more out of it.

So if Dave wants Bortles and he has a good feeling Cle. will take Manziel you would rather just not trade with Oak. where you can move up in 2 rounds and just take him at 3 when you could of moved up in those rounds?

Quote:So if Dave wants Bortles and he has a good feeling Cle. will take Manziel you would rather just not trade with Oak. where you can move up in 2 rounds and just take him at 3 when you could of moved up in those rounds?

 

I think he does the trade but also get a 6th or something next year.

But this draft is 3 rounds