Quote:Forget it. There are five 4-11 teams. If the Redskins win and everyone else loses, there will be six 4-12 teams. So whether we are 2 or 3 in the first round, we will be 8 or 9 in the second round.
Maybe I've been looking at wrong mocks but I was under the impression that it was just rotating up one position each round. But if that's not the case then yeah you're right
Quote:Maybe I've been looking at wrong mocks but I was under the impression that it was just rotating up one position each round. But if that's not the case then yeah you're right.
If the Redskins win and we lose, we get the #2 pick and will be in a six-team tie. If the Redskins lose, they will be 3-13 and pick second in every round except the first, when the Rams do, regardless of what happens in Indianapolis.
Quote:If the Redskins win and we lose, we get the #2 pick and will be in a six-team tie. If the Redskins lose, they will be 3-13 and pick second in every round except the first, when the Rams do, regardless of what happens in Indianapolis.
Thank you captain obvious. I'm interested in how we would rotate in the tie if Washington joins the rest of us.it's obvious if they keep a wide record that they would always draft worse.
What's the formula for drafting in the case of four/five way tie. I thought the team that draft first rotated to the bottom and the team which picked second goes to the top in the next round.if it doesn't work thatway could someone explain the process please.
The Jags picked 2nd overall last year and then picked 1st in the 2nd round
Quote:Thank you captain obvious. I'm interested in how we would rotate in the tie if Washington joins the rest of us.it's obvious if they keep a wide record that they would always draft worse.
What's the formula for drafting in the case of four/five way tie. I thought the team that draft first rotated to the bottom and the team which picked second goes to the top in the next round.if it doesn't work thatway could someone explain the process please.
For example (not actual order):
FIRST ROUND
Jaguars
Rams*
Raiders
Browns
Buccaneers
Falcons
SECOND ROUND
Redskins
Raiders
Browns
Buccaneers
Falcons
Jaguars
THIRD ROUND
Raiders
Browns
Buccaneers
Falcons
Jaguars
Redskins
See the pattern? First team goes to the bottom and all other teams move up one spot. If the Redskins win and everyone else loses, it is a 6-team tie.
http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/rules/
I completely forgot about the rotation. I'd say most of the starting level QB's will be gone by the time we get to them in the 2nd. Anyone who didn't get one in the 1st will be trading up into the back of the 1st, start of the 2nd.
Quote: I completely forgot about the rotation. I'd say most of the starting level QB's will be gone by the time we get to them in the 2nd. Anyone who didn't get one in the 1st will be trading up into the back of the 1st, start of the 2nd.
I don't know about that. Most teams can't afford to trade up for a quarterback and they would not be 4-12 if only one position needed an upgrade. But I would not be surprised if someone did that.
Now that I think about it, maybe we should root for the Giants so that we get the #35 pick instead of #40 in Round 2. What do you think?
Quote:I don't know about that. Most teams can't afford to trade up for a quarterback and they would not be 4-12 if only one position needed an upgrade. But I would not be surprised if someone did that.
Now that I think about it, maybe we should root for the Giants so that we get the #35 pick instead of #40 in Round 2. What do you think?
We would get the #3 pick, but wouldn't we still have to rotate to the back of the line (with all the other people we would be tied with at 4-12) in round 2? Wouldn't we still wind up with pick 40?
You all make me laugh. Don't you think Caldwell took this into consideration when he traded to Baltimore, and have done deals that you and me don't even know about. We'll get a QB, and release Gabbert. You all know we are keeping Henne as our starting QB next year. So well be a 500 team. Got to give the new guy sometime to develop.
So Quit
, and just wait and see how this all is going to develop.
Quote:Forget it. There are five 4-11 teams. If the Redskins win and everyone else loses, there will be six 4-12 teams. So whether we are 2 or 3 in the first round, we will be 8 or 9 in the second round.
That doesn't concern me at all. We have extra mid round picks to trade up if there is a must have player that has slipped. We will be fine.
Quote:We would get the #3 pick, but wouldn't we still have to rotate to the back of the line (with all the other teams we would be tied with at 4-12) in round 2? Wouldn't we still wind up with pick 40?
I hate being tied with four or five other teams with only one game left. It was fun to be tied with only one other team last year because we got the #33 pick.
As much as I hate the tie in Green Bay, I have to say that actually helped us in Round 2 because the Vikings also have four wins, so they would be part of the rotation without it.
Quote:That doesn't concern me at all. We have extra mid round picks to trade up if there is a must have player that has slipped. We will be fine.
We have as many needs as picks: QB, LG, C, RG, RT, WR, RB, TE, DE, DT, OLB. Unless we get a compensatory pick, Caldwell should plan on keeping all of them.
Quote:We have as many needs as picks: QB, LG, C, RG, RT, WR, RB, TE, DE, DT, OLB. Unless we get a compensatory pick, Caldwell should plan on keeping all of them.
Agreed. You only trade picks for a "must have" player that slipped. I trust Caldwell to have done his homework before doing so.
Quote:Agreed. You only trade picks for a "must have" player that slipped. I trust Caldwell to have done his homework before doing so.
Or to leapfrog a team like we did last year, which the Browns might want to do with their extra picks.
Quote:For example (not actual order):
FIRST ROUND
Jaguars
Rams*
Raiders
Browns
Buccaneers
Falcons
SECOND ROUND
Redskins
Raiders
Browns
Buccaneers
Falcons
Jaguars
THIRD ROUND
Raiders
Browns
Buccaneers
Falcons
Jaguars
Redskins
See the pattern? First team goes to the bottom and all other teams move up one spot. If the Redskins win and everyone else loses, it is a 6-team tie.
I think this year the whole QB situation is a mess. Teddy is the #1 guy going in to the season. Then guys like Carr and Bortles have their "stock rise". I have things I like and dislike with pretty much every single QB in the draft. And for those reasons I didn't really think there was a clear cut QB to pick. So I have for awhile now wanted the Jags to pick a player like Anthony Barr in round 1 and wait for the QB until round 2.
But with a rotation like this.... I'd be worried picking 2nd in round 1 and then 8th in round 2.
I mean... I wouldn't be worried too much, I think the staff here knows what they are doing. But by that pick in round 2 Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Boyd, Berger, Carr all might be gone. So do you take a McCarron in round 2? Do you take a risk on reaching for a QB due to the need?
There is no way this franchise can wait til round 3 and expect to hit on a Russell Wilson type pick. That's a little bit of luck there.
Perfect scenario in my opinion with that kind of rotation is to trade back, if a team loves a QB enough to jump to 2, trade back. If the hype behind some of these guys are real and Caldwell isn't sold on it like some other GMs may be, the option to move back may be there.
Quote:I think this year the whole QB situation is a mess. Teddy is the #1 guy going in to the season. Then guys like Carr and Bortles have their "stock rise". I have things I like and dislike with pretty much every single QB in the draft. And for those reasons I didn't really think there was a clear cut QB to pick. So I have for awhile now wanted the Jags to pick a player like Anthony Barr in round 1 and wait for the QB until round 2.
But with a rotation like this.... I'd be worried picking 2nd in round 1 and then 8th in round 2.
I mean... I wouldn't be worried too much, I think the staff here knows what they are doing. But by that pick in round 2 Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Boyd, Berger, Carr all might be gone. So do you take a McCarron in round 2? Do you take a risk on reaching for a QB due to the need?
There is no way this franchise can wait til round 3 and expect to hit on a Russell Wilson type pick. That's a little bit of luck there.
Perfect scenario in my opinion with that kind of rotation is to trade back, if a team loves a QB enough to jump to 2, trade back. If the hype behind some of these guys are real and Caldwell isn't sold on it like some other GMs may be, the option to move back may be there.
What if we trade down with another 4-12 team (assuming they all lose) for a second round pick, which will give us a higher pick in Round 2 because of the rotation?
Quote:What if we trade down with another 4-12 team (assuming they all lose) for a second round pick, which will give us a higher pick in Round 2 because of the rotation?
that would be ideal, because then we would own i.e. pick #35 and #40 in round 2, or something like that. and still have a top ten selection in round 1.
Quote:that would be ideal, because then we would own i.e. pick #35 and #40 in round 2, or something like that. and still have a top ten selection in round 1.
However it would guarantee we don't pick Teddy Bridgewater or Jadaveon Clowney. Are you willing to take that risk to get a higher second round pick?
Quote:I wonder if there is any chance Coachlin make his team tank against the Redskins to help out the Jags drafting position??
You owe me a new keyboard. I just snorted milk all over this one after reading that.
Quote:I think this year the whole QB situation is a mess. Teddy is the #1 guy going in to the season. Then guys like Carr and Bortles have their "stock rise". I have things I like and dislike with pretty much every single QB in the draft. And for those reasons I didn't really think there was a clear cut QB to pick. So I have for awhile now wanted the Jags to pick a player like Anthony Barr in round 1 and wait for the QB until round 2.
This year is starting to remind me a bit of last in terms of the QB class. Loads of guys are first-round prospects (Manuel, Barkley, Nassib, Smith, even Glennon and Tyler Wilson had their names thrown in there by some analysts), and virtually everyone fell like a rock. I suspect that when May rolls around, a lot of the people you named will still be on the board in three instead of a massive QB run in one.
Quote:What if we trade down with another 4-12 team (assuming they all lose) for a second round pick, which will give us a higher pick in Round 2 because of the rotation?
I think we'd have a hard time netting a second-round pick with this class unless we wind up at two overall, which seems unlikely.