Do any of the tankers realize that we've picked in the top ten for a number of years recently. There's no guarantees anywhere. Bridgewater, Mariota, etc could all be the next Luck or the next Gabbert. You win at every chance you can, that's my new take on things. Home games are just outright depressing or comedic these days depending on your perspective. Winning is fun, let's win some games Jags..
Quote:You really are clueless. Not only clueless, but seemingly angry. Does being a loser with a losing mentality really bother you that much? Maybe you should bandwagon a winning team or something. Problem solved.
Last I checked the two teams that have won the most championships over the past 15 years have done so without a fist overall pick.
Brady, Rothlisberger, Brees. Sixth round pick, Seventh pick of the first round, and a second round pick.
You can keep your losing mentality. Just don't think everyone is going to think you're anything but a second rate fan for doing so. That's your problem, not mine.
Hahaha I'm actually really happy. Lifes good. My team sucks but other than that I'm good. Unlike you because it seems your life revolves around this team.
Guess I'm not a true fan then! Preach on my brotha... let the hate you have for every fan outside of yourself live on!
Quote:Do any of the tankers realize that we've picked in the top ten for a number of years recently. There's no guarantees anywhere. Bridgewater, Mariota, etc could all be the next Luck or the next Gabbert. You win at every chance you can, that's my new take on things. Home games are just outright depressing or comedic these days depending on your perspective. Winning is fun, let's win some games Jags..
Valid point but the decision maker this year seems more capable of actually picking the right guy.
Quote:I have yet to hear a legitimate argument for a fan wanting their team to lose.
First and foremost, the team doesn't give a flying crap about you wanting them to lose. They want to be the best at what they do and want to win every time they step foot on the field.
Should they lose out, then they may or may not have the coveted first overall pick. Other teams are also losing too, so they still may not.
But the bottom line remains unchanged. You can't call yourself a fan of a team that you want to lose. You may think you are, and you may try to spin it a million different ways and talk about big pictures and all that jive talk, but when it's cut and dried, you turned your back on your team. That may be fine with some of you. It would never be fine with me.
I stand behind my team ALWAYS. I don't pick and choose my moments. Maybe I'm a dying breed, but I see good as good, and I see bad as bad. I don't try to mix the two and try to rationalize it to myself to make myself feel better about being a fraudulent fan.
If you haven't heard a legitmate argument, it isn't because it hasn't been offered. It's because you have been unwilling to hear.
The team may not care if we want them to lose. Hate to break it to you, but based on the way they've chosen to rebuild the team, they may not care if you want them to win
this year. You don't think the $30 million or so in cap space we have could have been used to attract some players that would improve the team's performance this year? Isn't it possible that a few free agents along the OL, DL and WR could have at least netted us a win over Oakland?
You can call yourself a fan if you want what is in the long term best interests of the team. That's what all of us want. You consider yourself a better breed of fan and us a lesser breed, which is fine if that makes the sun shine brighter in your world. However, as deep as your convictions on this topic seem to run, as right as you think you are, you have yet to identify a single tangible benefit to winning those meaningless games in 2011 as I asked you to do pages ago. I don't think I placed a particularly onerous burden upon you. If you had the truth behind you, you should have no problems making that case. But the fact is those wins didn't springboard the team to greater success in 2012 by teaching the lessons on how to win. The team regressed by 60% in terms of wins and losses and finished with the worst record in the league. The team wasn't any more competitive in their losses.
2011 showed us what I've been saying since 2010-namely that Gene Smith left a lot to be desired as a GM, and that he left us completely bereft of talent. In the desperate quest to add talent, Gene Smith, in maybe his one good pick as GM, drafted Justin Blackmon. However, because of those two meaningless wins against the Colts, the team had to trade away a 4th round pick to get in a position to get him. That 4th round pick could have added a quality interior OL, or a DL, or a RB. Forget about Luck or RG III for the moment. You can make the argument that last week win in 2011 that did nothing to change the standings in our favor cost us a 4th round pick that could have helped the team this year. A 4th round pick in our pocket might have given Smith less incentive to draft a punter in the 3rd instead of Russell Wilson. However, you didn't see the liability Gene Smith continues to be for this team, just like you don't see what is necessary to turn this team around...just like you don't see how ridiculous you look in belittling other fans for this.
Quote:You really are clueless. Not only clueless, but seemingly angry. Does being a loser with a losing mentality really bother you that much? Maybe you should bandwagon a winning team or something. Problem solved.
Last I checked the two teams that have won the most championships over the past 15 years have done so without a fist overall pick.
Brady, Rothlisberger, Brees. Sixth round pick, Seventh pick of the first round, and a second round pick.
You can keep your losing mentality. Just don't think everyone is going to think you're anything but a second rate fan for doing so. That's your problem, not mine.
You can disagree that having the first overall pick will make us better than having the fourth or fifth overall pick. That's fine. What I don't understand is how you can go about questioning others' fan-hood. If you honestly think it is better for us to go 5-11 than to go 1-15 or 2-14, than that's your opinion and you can stick to it. But to go around saying that those who have a different viewpoint than you do are not real fans? Take that crap somewhere else. It's like we're in a middle school cafeteria here.
Quote:Alright question for you:
Come week 17 the Jags are 1-14. The Buccaneers and Giants are at 2-13. But they hold tiebreaker over the Jaguars. A Free agent QB comes available that would make beating the Colts very likely. Not signing that QB makes it unlikely we beat the Colts and go on and have the 1st pick with a 1-15 record. That QB is getting older, and has maybe 2 years left to play before retiring.
Do you want the Jags to sign that QB?
That's so simple, it's laughable.
I am not a Jaguar executive, GM, or coach. I let them make those decisions. Maybe they make the right one. Maybe they make the wrong one. That simply won't change my views of this team, and my want for the team to win every day in every situation.
I know a lot of you want to think you somehow have some power to change what will happen with the team. My advice: Let it go, and concentrate on just being a fan. You will be a lot happier.
Just look at the most recent responses. They are venom-filled. They are coming from people who are trying to reconcile wanting bad things to happen to their team. I understand it can lead to confusion and anger. It's precisely the reason I never go there.
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Last I checked the two teams that have won the most championships over the past 15 years have done so without a fist overall pick.
The Giants won just as many Super Bowls within that time frame (2), as Pittsburgh and they did it with the first overall pick of the 2004 draft, Eli Manning.
Quote:You can disagree that having the first overall pick will make us better than having the fourth or fifth overall pick. That's fine. What I don't understand is how you can go about questioning others' fan-hood. If you honestly think it is better for us to go 5-11 than to go 1-15 or 2-14, than that's your opinion and you can stick to it. But to go around saying that those who have a different viewpoint than you do are not real fans? Take that crap somewhere else. It's like we're in a middle school cafeteria here.
I absolutely can question others' fanhood when they want the team that they're allegedly fans of to lose.
Fans don't wish losses on their team. Period.
Quote:That's so simple, it's laughable.
I am not a Jaguar executive, GM, or coach. I let them make those decisions. Maybe they make the right one. Maybe they make the wrong one. That simply won't change my views of this team, and my want for the team to win every day in every situation.
I know a lot of you want to think you somehow have some power to change what will happen with the team. My advice: Let it go, and concentrate on just being a fan. You will be a lot happier.
Just look at the most recent responses. They are venom-filled. They are coming from people who are trying to reconcile wanting bad things to happen to their team. I understand it can lead to confusion and anger. It's precisely the reason I never go there.
Blah blah blah.. I'm a better fan than you... blah blah blah... you guys don't know what you're talking about!
That's pretty much all a lot of us are hearing from you.
Quote:The Giants won just as many Super Bowls within that time frame (2), as Pittsburgh and they did it with the first overall pick of the 2004 draft, Eli Manning.
Factually false.
Eli Manning was not drafted first overall by the Giants. He was drafted by San Diego. He was traded for the fourth pick in the first round, with some other picks. Now, try to keep up. You don't help your cause by blatantly lying.
Quote:I absolutely can question others' fanhood when they want the team that they're allegedly fans of to lose.
Fans don't wish losses on their team. Period.
But there's no difference between wishing for losses for your team and wishing your team had a QB like Luck or RGIII
It's sad because I'm pretty sure Dakota is trolling us all.
Quote:Factually false.
Eli Manning was not drafted first overall by the Giants. He was drafted by San Diego. He was traded for the fourth pick in the first round, with some other picks. Now, try to keep up. You don't help your cause by blatantly lying.
Hahaha you couldn't be more wrong.
He was drafted first overall! Then traded later.... still drafted first overall. Go look it up smart guy because youre making yourself look dumb.
Dakota is a perfect example of the saying "I can explain it to you, but I cant understand it for you"
Quote:Factually false.
Eli Manning was not drafted first overall by the Giants. He was drafted by San Diego. He was traded for the fourth pick in the first round, with some other picks. Now, try to keep up. You don't help your cause by blatantly lying.
I did not say he was drafted first overall by the Giants. But he was the first overall pick, and the Giants had to give up plenty of picks to get him.
Can the Jaguars afford to give up plenty of picks to get a player?
YOU keep up, and answer the question I posed PAGES ago.
Dakota, why do teams trade up?
Your answer is a non-answer. It's avoiding the question altogether. Would YOU want the Jaguars to sign that QB. Not because it would have any effect on Dave Caldwell's decision. But what your opinion is. Fans can and should have opinions beyond that of 100% approval rating of whatever their team does and whatever the results.
I'll simplify it.
Do you think the Jacksonville Jaguars should be making an attempt to sign all players they think could win this team a few games?
My guess is that your answer will simply be "I want to do whatever Caldwell wants to do." In which case my question is -- what if Caldwell wants to tank?
Quote:Dakota, why do teams trade up?
shut up your not a real fan!!!!
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YOU keep up, and answer the question I posed PAGES ago.
He hasn't answered a lot of questions. I bet he won't either. Troll.
Quote:He hasn't answered a lot of questions. I bet he won't either. Troll.
Dude.. he thinks Eli wasn't the first overall pick. No football IQ what so ever.