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Quote:Whether they intentionally swallowed their pride or had it forced down their throats due to ineptitude, the fact is the Colts bottomed out, gained superior draft position, which enabled them unfettered access to Andrew Luck.

 

I'm still waiting on your discussion of the numerous rewards of your approach.

 

Forgive me if I don't hold my breath.

 

BTW, I find it interesting how you close by saying you would not be upset if the Jags end up with the first pick next year.

 

How exactly does that separate you from us?  Either you hate losing or you don't care if you lose...right?

 

If you don't care if you lose, how are you anything other than the loser you decry?

Sure thing, mensa.

 

You and those like you are so short sighted that you don't understand that picks outside of the number one overall pick can be winners. For every Andrew Luck, there is a JaMarcus Russell, David Carr, Tim Couch, and Jeff George. You are all so bloodthirsty for a first overall pick, and you may have the next one of those guys.

 

Guys like Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees think you're just a little off base about needing the first pick to get a quality QB.

 

Then again, Don't let little things like that stop you from wishing loss on your team. Losers love to lose. Losers get upset about wins. It's in your blood, and you can't help it.


 

 

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Sure thing, mensa.

 

You and those like you are so short sighted that you don't understand that picks outside of the number one overall pick can be winners. For every Andrew Luck, there is a JaMarcus Russell, David Carr, Tim Couch, and Jeff George. You are all so bloodthirsty for a first overall pick, and you may have the next one of those guys.

 

Guys like Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees think you're just a little off base about needing the first pick to get a quality QB.

 

Then again, Don't let little things like that stop you from wishing loss on your team. Losers love to lose. Losers get upset about wins. It's in your blood, and you can't help it.

   
 

 

 

Don't you think we should trust in Caldwell to determine if he's going to be a bust or not?  And shouldn't he have the opportunity to pick the player if he so chooses?  The fact is, Gene Smith as bad as he was, never was in any real position to draft a franchise QB outside of the hindsight is 20/20 Russell Wilson.  He traded up for the wrong one in Blaine Gabbert.  Caldwell did not make the same mistake with Geno Smith, pulling the trigger too early.  

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Sure thing, mensa.

 

You and those like you are so short sighted that you don't understand that picks outside of the number one overall pick can be winners. For every Andrew Luck, there is a JaMarcus Russell, David Carr, Tim Couch, and Jeff George. You are all so bloodthirsty for a first overall pick, and you may have the next one of those guys.

 

Guys like Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees think you're just a little off base about needing the first pick to get a quality QB.

 

Then again, Don't let little things like that stop you from wishing loss on your team. Losers love to lose. Losers get upset about wins. It's in your blood, and you can't help it.

   
 

 

So you seriously think finding QBs like Rodgers and Brees out of the upper portion of the first round is anything other than the exception?

 

In order for a team to come up with a Russell Wilson, you have to count on every team passing on him-AT LEAST TWICE-INCLUDING YOUR OWN!

 

You'd have to benefit from a team taking a punter in front of him.  I can't imagine what team would do such a thing.

 

In order to land a Brady, you'd have to count on every team bypassing him at least 5 times.  He'd have to survive 198 players being picked before him.

 

If you thought he was that good, why bypass him so many times?  They LUCKED OUT getting him!

 

Does THAT sound like sound draft policy?!?

 

No, you don't absolutely NEED the first pick overall to get a QB.

 

No, having the first overall pick does not guarantee you will find a franchise QB with it.

 

But it increases your chances of getting one.

 

The very premise behind the rules establishing draft order is that giving the worst teams first dibs on the available talent pool is the quickest way of making them competitive.

 

By the way, aside from the discussion about the Jaguars notching even semi important wins remaining silent from your end, I would also like to know how you not being upset over the Jaguars getting the first overall pick next year makes you any different.  You ignored that point, too.

Quote:Don't you think we should trust in Caldwell to determine if he's going to be a bust or not?  And shouldn't he have the opportunity to pick the player if he so chooses?  The fact is, Gene Smith as bad as he was, never was in any real position to draft a franchise QB outside of the hindsight is 20/20 Russell Wilson.  He traded up for the wrong one in Blaine Gabbert.  Caldwell did not make the same mistake with Geno Smith, pulling the trigger too early.  

He had no trouble trusting in Gene Smith.

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Sure thing, mensa.

 

You and those like you are so short sighted that you don't understand that picks outside of the number one overall pick can be winners. For every Andrew Luck, there is a JaMarcus Russell, David Carr, Tim Couch, and Jeff George. You are all so bloodthirsty for a first overall pick, and you may have the next one of those guys.

 

Guys like Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees think you're just a little off base about needing the first pick to get a quality QB.

 

Then again, Don't let little things like that stop you from wishing loss on your team. Losers love to lose. Losers get upset about wins. It's in your blood, and you can't help it.

   
 

So tell me, what are the chances that Bridgewater (or whomever they selected first overall) would eat his way out of the league or have a gambling addiction that will ruin his career? 

 

We all hate to lose, but we would be "losers" if we "win" a couple meaningless games this season. 

Quote:Don't you think we should trust in Caldwell to determine if he's going to be a bust or not?  And shouldn't he have the opportunity to pick the player if he so chooses?  The fact is, Gene Smith as bad as he was, never was in any real position to draft a franchise QB outside of the hindsight is 20/20 Russell Wilson.  He traded up for the wrong one in Blaine Gabbert.  Caldwell did not make the same mistake with Geno Smith, pulling the trigger too early.  

Exactly. The difference in my argument and the argument of my friends here is that I realize that there is opportunity outside of the first overall pick. That is the reason I refuse to cheer for this team to tank for some percieved Utopian opportunity.

 

They tell me to look at the big picture, but I think I am doing exactly that. I think it is them who are not looking at the big picture.

 

All that aside, I will not root for my team to lose. It's not in my DNA. They are free to do so if they wish.

1. At 5- 22 career record for Blaine Gabbert it started for me. It was not an 0-3,0-4 team record that solely makes me support a tank not to mention every time I watch Andrew Luck play I curse Jim Irsay and resent Mularkey even more.

 

2. No

 

3. No

 

4. Whoever we draft as our next potential franchise QB will get more than one season to prove himself just as Gabby received so at what point we tank next year is not even a valid question.

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By the way, aside from the discussion about the Jaguars notching even semi important wins remaining silent from your end, I would also like to know how you not being upset over the Jaguars getting the first overall pick next year makes you any different.  You ignored that point, too.

 

If it happens, it happens. You won't hear me whine about the first overall pick. That makes me just like you and those like you.

 

The difference between me and you and those like you is that if the Jags win, I will actually be happy about it.

Quote:So you seriously think finding QBs like Rodgers and Brees out of the upper portion of the first round is anything other than the exception?

 

In order for a team to come up with a Russell Wilson, you have to count on every team passing on him-AT LEAST TWICE-INCLUDING YOUR OWN!

 

In order to land a Brady, you'd have to count on every team bypassing him at least 5 times.  He'd have to survive 198 players being picked before him.

 

If you thought he was that good, why bypass him so many times?  They LUCKED OUT getting him!

 

Does THAT sound like sound draft policy?!?

 

No, you don't absolutely NEED the first pick overall to get a QB.

 

No, having the first overall pick does not guarantee you will find a franchise QB with it.

 

But it increases your chances of getting one.

 

The very premise behind the rules establishing draft order is that giving the worst teams first dibs on the available talent pool is the quickest way of making them competitive.

 

+1000

 

*Sign*...I just don't understand why there are people with these weird obsession with Cinderella draft story. SMDH :no:

Quote:If it happens, it happens. You won't hear me whine about the first overall pick. That makes me just like you and those like you.

 

The difference between me and you and those like you is that if the Jags win, I will actually be happy about it.

19 years as a Jaguars STH because I don't enjoy watching them win?!? 

Quote:1. When did it start for you? Was it at 0-1, 0-2, 0-3, etc? Just curious.

 

2. Will it be and has it always been this way for you all along?

 

3. If we get Bridgewater and we go 0-2 or up to 0-6 next year are any wins after "meaningless"?

 

4. How many wins do we have to have out of the first six games to make any after worthwhile and not tank again?

 

 

 

Edit to clearly define seperate questions.

<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">1. At 5- 22 career record for Blaine Gabbert it started for me. It was not an 0-3,0-4 team record that solely makes me support a tank not to mention every time I watch Andrew Luck play I curse Jim Irsay and resent Mularkey even more.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">2. No

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">3. No

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">4. Whoever we draft as our next potential franchise QB will get more than one season to prove himself just as Gabby received so at what point we tank next year is not even a valid question.

Quote:Exactly. The difference in my argument and the argument of my friends here is that I realize that there is opportunity outside of the first overall pick. That is the reason I refuse to cheer for this team to tank for some percieved Utopian opportunity.

 

They tell me to look at the big picture, but I think I am doing exactly that. I think it is them who are not looking at the big picture.

 

All that aside, I will not root for my team to lose. It's not in my DNA. They are free to do so if they wish.

Andrew Luck is no HoF (at least not for another 10+ good years), but I'm sure the Colts are very happy they "tanked" their season.  What kind of big picture are you look at when you want the worst team in the history of the NFL (by popular opinions) to win a couple of meaningless games to lose the Clowney/Bridgewater Sweepstake (whether they take either one or trade down for multiple picks)?  Are you sure you're looking at the right picture?

Quote:19 years as a Jaguars STH because I don't enjoy watching them win?!? 

Are you lying now, or were you lying before then?

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*Sign*...I just don't understand why there are people with these weird obsession with Cinderella draft story. SMDH :no:

 

Tell me about it.

 

Under his rationale, the Jaguars would be better off not drafting a QB at all.  If every team in the league can be wrong about a guy twice...five times, they can also be wrong seven plus times, not counting the times they refused to sign him as an UDFA.

 

That makes sense.

Quote:Are you lying now, or were you lying before then?

 

None of the above, thank you very much.  I also have the wins on DVD and VHS to prove it, too.

 

About those Jaguars wins....still waiting, Dakota.

Quote:Andrew Luck is no HoF (at least not for another 10+ good years), but I'm sure the Colts are very happy they "tanked" their season.  What kind of big picture are you look at when you want the worst team in the history of the NFL (by popular opinions) to win a couple of meaningless games to lose the Clowney/Bridgewater Sweepstake (whether they take either one or trade down for multiple picks)?  Are you sure you're looking at the right picture?

If the Jags end up with the first overall pick after playing their hearts out and losing more than every other team, I will be extatic.

 

You confuse draft position with my (or any fan's) willingness or hopes to see their team lose.

 

It's what seperates the winner fans from the loser fans.

 

Case in point: Pick any random player from any random NFL team. Put me and one of my counterparts in front of said player. Hell, pick a coach or executive. Pick anyone in the game. Now, tell me that you will find a single one who will buy their argument over mine.

 

What more is there really to say?

Quote:None of the above, thank you very much.  I also have the wins on DVD and VHS to prove it, too.

 

About those Jaguars wins....still waiting, Dakota.

So, do you want them to win or not. It's not a complicated question. I do want them to win. I hope this fulfills your void. You can stop waiting now.

 

So, which is it? Do you want the team to win or do you want them to lose? Don't sugar coat it big guy, step up to the plate and say what you mean.

Quote:If the Jags end up with the first overall pick after playing their hearts out and losing more than every other team, I will be extatic.

 

You confuse draft position with my (or any fan's) willingness or hopes to see their team lose.

 

It's what seperates the winner fans from the loser fans.

 

Case in point: Pick any random player from any random NFL team. Put me and one of my counterparts in front of said player. Hell, pick a coach or executive. Pick anyone in the game. Now, tell me that you will find a single one who will buy their argument over mine.

 

What more is there really to say?

So it's now your assertion that you would be just fine with the Jaguars earning say the 10th overall pick and paying a King's ransom plus to get the first overall pick?  You saw what the Skins gave up to get to #2 overall/  You'd be willing for the team to surrender two seasons plus of high round picks to obtain the top overall pick?  You'd be fine with the team BEING FORCED to do that to get the guy they wanted just because of wins that did not result in them winning the Super Bowl, reaching the Super Bowl, making the playoffs, or even reaching .500?

 

If not, and you wouldn't be upset with the team ending up with the top overall pick, then you wouldn't be upset with losing, which puts you in the same boat as those upon whom  you look down your nose?

 

What else is there left to say?

 

Other than to reiterate the idea that teams that have bottomed out like the Steelers of the late 1960s, 49ers of the late 1970s/early 1980s, Dallas of the late 1980s, wound up with high draft picks that gave them improved access to players, and use that improved access to draft Hall of famers like Bradshaw, Greene, Lott, and Aikman that made them the teams of the 70s, 80's and 90's? 

 

No, there's nothing left to say.

A fan of course wants their team to win. But given the current situation of the jags, and the previous losing seasons, wouldn't it be easier on the fans to keep losing and get the number one pick which should go a long way in helping this team do what we as fans want this team to do for years to come? Or would you rather a few wins and possibly miss out on the talent that would lead us away from horrible seasons year after year? Some of you say what about Wilson Brady and Kap? That's more of a hit or miss right there. I'd rather have the top QB in the draft. If that doesn't work, I'm a big boy, I'll get over it. I've seen plenty of losses by this team, a few more isn't going to bother me.

Quote:So, do you want them to win or not. It's not a complicated question. I do want them to win. I hope this fulfills your void. You can stop waiting now.

 

So, which is it? Do you want the team to win or do you want them to lose? Don't sugar coat it big guy, step up to the plate and say what you mean.

No it's not a complicated question.

 

The team isn't going anywhere this season, and isn't likely to go anywhere in the foreseeable future without getting a franchise signal caller.

 

I am willing to accept an abundance of short term losses to gain an even greater abundance of long term winning.  So yes, I want the team to win.

 

I just don't care to see them win meaningless games that would only serve to defeat the purpose stated above.