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Quote:I wonder how many of the people that want us to "tank" the season to get the franchise QB we so desperately need are actually season ticket holders who pay good money to watch a very bad football team. I know for sure that the people that sit around me in my section are not on board with losing just to get us a better draft position. It's easy to play this game when you have no real investment in the team, but quite another when you actually pay for it.

 

Well, if you planned on actually "keeping" those season tickets for years, then I can't see why those people would be against the tanking, to get the franchise QB, either....

 

suffer now, and celebrate later. 

Quote:You are correct, now answer the damn questions. If not stay out.

Lol what a joke!


YOU DIDNT ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS!!!


I didn't answer any questions. Doesn't that just make your blood boil?

Quote:Lol what a joke!


YOU DIDNT ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS!!!

I didn't answer any questions. Doesn't that just make your blood boil?

If you are not a tanker the questions do not apply. It in no way "makes my blood boil", I am quite used to seeing your drivel.

 

Why say anything if the thread does nor interest you?

I can't quote you for whatever reason.


But I guess you can call me a tanker. I think it is wrong to intentionally tank but hey, if they are bad and can't win then yeah I want the first pick. 0-6 it's clear that we aren't going to be in playoffs. Not like anyone expected it anyways. So why would I want to win? To hurt the chances of the best QB? No thanks.


I really don't care to go back and read your questions so that's all I got to say.

I knew we were going to be terrible this year, last year. I am not going to say the same things again, but Gene Smith put us in a really bad spot with his poor drafting. I dont think they are straight up "tanking" the season, but they are making sure that we are not going to get any better or win  meaningless games this season. Caldwell is smart and realizes what you need to win in this league, a franchise QB. 

 

Your Bridgewater question to me sounds like your scared to draft a QB in the first. Are you a gabby supporter? are you afraid the QB may be as bad as Gabby? You cant win in this league without a QB, and you have to keep searching till you find him. Our pas GM got their guy, but never realized their mistake until it was too late. If we are 0-6 with Bridewater next year, or any QB we draft, then he probably is not the answer at QB, or the team regresses even more. I doubt we will be 0-6 with Bridgewater though. 

Quote:Lol what a joke!

YOU DIDNT ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS!!!

I didn't answer any questions. Doesn't that just make your blood boil?

Maybe he's doing research? If not I see no reason for him to be so upset about not having all questions answered.

I want us to win every game we can, while still securing the #1 pick.

Quote:I knew we were going to be terrible this year, last year. I am not going to say the same things again, but Gene Smith put us in a really bad spot with his poor drafting. I dont think they are straight up "tanking" the season, but they are making sure that we are not going to get any better or win  meaningless games this season. Caldwell is smart and realizes what you need to win in this league, a franchise QB. 

 

Your Bridgewater question to me sounds like your scared to draft a QB in the first. Are you a gabby supporter? are you afraid the QB may be as bad as Gabby? You cant win in this league without a QB, and you have to keep searching till you find him. Our pas GM got their guy, but never realized their mistake until it was too late. If we are 0-6 with Bridewater next year, or any QB we draft, then he probably is not the answer at QB, or the team regresses even more. I doubt we will be 0-6 with Bridgewater though.

You didn't answer his questions. You asked him multiple questions. He's gonna flip out! Can't wait to watch this!

Quote:Maybe he's doing research? If not I see no reason for him to be so upset about not having all questions answered.

Maybe we should give him the benefit of doubt. I don't really remember any of his other posts to figure it out.

Quote:You didn't answer his questions. You asked him multiple questions. He's gonna flip out! Can't wait to watch this!

 

 

Quote:Maybe we should give him the benefit of doubt. I don't really remember any of his other posts to figure it out.

More worthless drivel. :thanks: . I thought you said earlier that was all you had to say.

Quote:More worthless drivel. :thanks: . I thought you said earlier that was all you had to say.

Since it aggravates you so much I will keep going. I bet you got picked on a lot as a kid. Probably still do. You whiney.

Quote:Since it aggravates you so much I will keep going. I bet you got picked on a lot as a kid. Probably still do. You whiney.

Keyboard soldier huh? Do you gain some pleasure talking smack you would never run face to face? Oh , by the way since you claimed tanker status, answer the damn questions.

Quote:I would ask this question:


How many of you who want the team to tank actually have season tickets?


Regards...............the Chiefjag

ME -- but I cheat.  Mine are on the ticket exchange.  IF they sell, I go down and buy cheap ones to get in the gate

Quote:I want us to win every game we can, while still securing the #1 pick.

 

So politically correct.

Quote:1. When did it start for you? Was it at 0-1, 0-2, 0-3, etc? Just curious.

 

2. Will it be and has it always been this way for you all along?

 

3. If we get Bridgewater and we go 0-2 or up to 0-6 next year are any wins after "meaningless"?

 

4. How many wins do we have to have out of the first six games to make any after worthwhile and not tank again?

 

 

 

Edit to clearly define seperate questions.

 

I've said in many of my posts that I do not believe in tanking.  We're bad enough to get a franchise QB without having to tank...  But I want to answer these questions from a non-tank perspective...  Well...  Just from my perspective, I speak for no-one but myself and my mustache.

 

1.  I knew we were gonna be bad after the first game...  It became clear that Gabbert was a bust...  But I told myself before the season to give him untill at least week 4.  But I knew after week 1 all hope was lost.

 

2.  Tanking is a horrible concept.  It builds a loser mentality and provides nothing of benefit except a high 1st round draft pick.  There is no rule that says the 1st pick will make you a superbowl winner...  So whats the point?  That's the thing that bothers me about those that wring their hands about winning.  Winning is always good.  If your GM is a good evaluator of talent and has a conceptual framework of what he wants to build, we can develop a winner no matter if we pick 1st or 4th...  Either way, there will be QB's in every draft that can make a difference. 

 

3.  If Bridgewater goes 0-2 or even 0-6, then I'll begin to wonder, as I'm sure we all will as to whether or not he's a bust.  We all now know what a bust looks like.  This will make it very easy for us to analyze.  Seriously, there's a difference between 0-2 and being a horrid team.  If our QB shows he can stand tall in the pocket, that he can make all the throws, that he is dynamic and can keep the offense on the field, I don't care what the record will be come 2014.

 

4.  Winning and being competitive is what I always wish for.  If we run off 8 wins in a row this season, I will be on cloud 9.  It should be very important for everyone to understand that every year there will be a hyped QB.  And every year there will be another QB that is drafter later on that is just as good if not better.  Tanking is not worth it.  You should always try to be the best and put the best on the field.  Anyone that's played organized team sports understands this.

 

As a Post Script

 

Yeah, the clots appear to have tanked for Luck.  I say, who cares?  That organization is junk.  The had Manning and couldn't build enough around him to win more than 1 Superbowl.  The dumped a 1st rounder for a sub-par RB that so far hasn't made an impact.  If there is an example of how tanking doesn't lock in a Superbowl ticket, I have a feeling we'll see that in the clots.  Let's emulate winners.  You didn't see the 49ers tank after the fired Singletary and they had a pretty bad QB situation as well.  They figured it out by drafting smart and picking players where they could while still putting out a semi-decent product.

 

I'd rather be that type of Organization than just throw Gabbert back into the mix in order to lock the #1 spot.  What does that say to the rest of our players?!  You know you can lose a locker room...  And once that happens, you have to blow it up again.  I don't want to go through that again. 

Quote:Those leftovers often work out. Probably a little more often than the first serving. We didn't even try leftovers for way to many years unfortunately.

 

Examples. If your talking outside of the first round forgettaboutit. 

Quote:Keyboard soldier huh? Do you gain some pleasure talking smack you would never run face to face? Oh , by the way since you claimed tanker status, answer the damn questions.

You certainly don't know me. I most certainly would say it face to face. Pleasure has nothing to do with it. You keep asking for it btw.


No. I won't answer the questions. Just because you can't stand it.

Quote:1. When did it start for you? Was it at 0-1, 0-2, 0-3, etc? Just curious.

 

2. Will it be and has it always been this way for you all along?

 

3. If we get Bridgewater and we go 0-2 or up to 0-6 next year are any wins after "meaningless"?

 

4. How many wins do we have to have out of the first six games to make any after worthwhile and not tank again?

 

 

 

Edit to clearly define seperate questions.

By "Tankers" I presume you are discussing people who want the team to lose as much as possible for the remainder of the year to ensure superior draft position, am I correct?

 

If this is your definition of "Tankers," I'll answer your question, even though it doesn't technically/completely apply to me.

 

1.  For me, it began in preseason.  With the lack of any new QB brought in, combined with the abundance of talent in the draft at premium positions of Jaguars need, combined with the overwhelming turnover brought in by the new regime and complete lack of talent the new regime inherited, combined further with Caldwell's acknowledgement he has already sort of scouted next year's draft class to some degree, playing for draft position became a viable option.  I defend the stance, not out of any antipathy towards my beloved Jaguars.  To the contrary.  If replicating a miserable 2-14 type season has the chance in resulting in the acquisition of a superstar caliber player, particularly at QB, the chances of having prolonged and sustained success dramatically increase.

 

2.  Not even close to being all along.  I've been a fan and STH since 1995.  I know I haven't felt it may be in the Jaguars best long term interests to lose prolifically over the course of a season during that time until now.  I know emotionally I've never been ambivalent towards a Jaguars loss or a series of Jaguars losses.  Even though I feel it is in the Jaguars longer term interest to improve draft position to obtain a truly great QB, it's never easy watching the Jaguars lose.

 

3.  I would say no for several reasons.  If the team started off 0-2, the playoffs are still a possibility, albeit unlikely.  An 0-6 start, for that matter, has the Jaguars theoretically and mathematically alive for playoff contention, though the chances of the Jaguars winning ten straight or nine of ten and squeaking in the playoffs is miniscule at that point.  If I believe Bridgewater to be the franchise QB, I would be encouraged by the wins the team would notch under his watch.  If the team strung together a few wins late in the season and still missed the playoffs, it would give ownership, management, the team and fans increasing confidence in the future.  Furthermore, despite the team's horrid start this year, I still think at this point the Jaguars could have themselves a good coach in Bradley and a good GM in Caldwell.   If the team rebounded nicely from a slow start and still missed the playoffs, those wins could mean the difference between retaining them another year, giving continuity to a program in depserate need of stability and firing them and starting all over again.

 

4.  I think any record after 6 games that gives the Jaguars a realistic chance at late season contention is certainly not worth tanking.  But even assuming the team starts 0-6, if the team has its franchise QB, for the reasons listed in reason three above, I'm not sure "tanking" would be good then.

It's fun to watch this play out every year. The same song and dance by the same cast of characters.

 

I read these threads and remember many of these same knuckleheads saying the same thing about Jevan Snead a few years ago.

 

They wanted the Jags to use their FIRST ROUND PICK on the guy and gushed like groupies all season long for the guy.

 

Imagine that. The year and the name of the QB changes, but the song and dance always remains the same.

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As a Post Script

 

Yeah, the clots appear to have tanked for Luck.  I say, who cares?  That organization is junk.  The had Manning and couldn't build enough around him to win more than 1 Superbowl.  The dumped a 1st rounder for a sub-par RB that so far hasn't made an impact.  If there is an example of how tanking doesn't lock in a Superbowl ticket, I have a feeling we'll see that in the clots.  Let's emulate winners.  You didn't see the 49ers tank after the fired Singletary and they had a pretty bad QB situation as well.  They figured it out by drafting smart and picking players where they could while still putting out a semi-decent product.

 

I'd rather be that type of Organization than just throw Gabbert back into the mix in order to lock the #1 spot.  What does that say to the rest of our players?!  You know you can lose a locker room...  And once that happens, you have to blow it up again.  I don't want to go through that again. 

 

I understand your point, but I'd like to put this into perspective.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/

 

The 49ers we have seen over the last three years were built through the draft.

 

However, the last three years of 49ers' contention were preceded by EIGHT (8) consecutive years of .500 football and worse between 2003-2010.  During that time, they had one record of .500 (2009) , one NFL worst record of 2-14 (2004), a 4 win, 5 win, 6 win, and 7 win season.

 

The draft position gained from 2004 enabled them to land QB Alex Smith first overall and RB Frank Gore.

 

The draft position gained from the 4-12 season of 2005 enabled them to draft TE Vernon Davis 6th overall in 2006.

 

The 7-9 record of 2006 gave the 49ers the 11th overall draft pick in 2007, which enabled them to draft Patrick Willis.

 

Other losing seasons led to the drafting of Anthony Davis, Michael Crabtree and Aldon Smith.

 

Every single player I listed were key contributors in their ascent to a Super Bowl team.

 

Yes, winning teams draft well and have a knack for finding contributors later in the draft.  However, it is undeniable the 49ers were aided by superior draft position in the accumulation of talent.