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Quote:I remember the too small argument because he measured 1/8 of an inch shorter than his listed 6'1 and it was a big deal to some.


Then he was too slow because his pro day 40 was on ok states turf which is a known fast track


I wouldn't say it was 90% of the board though.

Even though a player like Kendall Hunter ran a slower time at OK State than the combine just a year earlier.


I think most of the board liked the pick at first. Then the DUI came and he became a scapegoat.

I watched Justin a lot at Oklahoma State, and he was one of the most dominant players (at any position) I've ever seen play. Considering how bad our QB's are, he had one of the best rookie seasons (IMO) for a WR in the history of the NFL, I believe he's a true blue chip player and will only get better with time and a competent QB.

Quote:I remember actually arguing with a few people in the trade Cecil thread who were saying that Cecil was better than Blackmon, and they were actually being indignant about it, rofl....

 

If you can't see that Blackmon is clearly, easily the better WR of the 2, and is a flat out on his way to being a special player in this league ala what Freddy Taylor was, then you are flat out blind or simply don't understand what you are watching. 

 

He literally is a threat to score from anywhere on the field once he gets the ball in his hands, and he's got that special knack to NOT get caught from behind. People took issue with Blackmon's "40 time" around draft time, and it was stupid because you could tell by how he played in college that it really was never an issue. Its not an issue at the pro level either. 

 

.....Can you imagine how good he'll be once he gets a legit QB throwing the rock to him?!?!?

 

Bridgewater to Blackmon.....music to my ears :yes:

 

Lighten up Francis - it was one game!  He will have to show that he can do it consistently AND stay out of trouble to be considered a special player in the league.

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.....Can you imagine how good he'll be once he gets a legit QB throwing the rock to him?!?!?

 

Bridgewater to Blackmon.....music to my ears :yes:

 

The same can be said for Shorts - who has had to deal with crap at QB for a year more then Blackmon. 

 

Bridgewater to Blackmon & Shorts sounds like even better music.....


 

Quote:Yeah, most Jag fans went crazy when we drafted him. Just watch the draft party video. You would have thought we won the Super Bowl.

I mostly remember people liking the pick but saying " he will be good, just not elite because he doesnt have the measurables of Fitz/ Julio/ Green."

I just hope Blackmon can keep his cool. He showed fire mouthing with the CB of the Rams yesterday and obviously got mad when he threw his hands up in frustration in the endzone when he was wide open and Gabbert sailed it to the first row. He should just use this year to find some consistency as best he can and get ready to play with a real QB next year. I just hope he doesn't mail it in, It'd be great to see him in the top 5-10 for receiving yards/TD's next year as we improve tremendously.

Quote:I believe next year Lousiville moves to the ACC. They will play ND in a non conference game and also have games against FSU BC, Miami, clemson.... way better competition than the American Conference or whatever they are in this season

I wasn't aware of that but still think it would be stupid for him to go back to school. If he continues on the pace he's going right now and tops if off with a solid bowl appearance, he'll be the consensus #1 pick.

Blackmon is one of the only gifts Gene Smith left this team. If he can control himself off the field he has star potential written all over him.


Shorts is gift #2 (and WR2) from GM Gene. They compliment each other nicely. I wouldn't mind another WR added in FA or the draft but it's hardly at the top of the priority list.


Moving on from Marcedes and finding an athletic pass catching TE would be nice.

Quote:I mostly remember people liking the pick but saying " he will be good, just not elite because he doesnt have the measurables of Fitz/ Julio/ Green."

 

 

It was mostly people defending him (myself included) because the same lack of measurables has been seen in past top tier WRs . Hakeem Nicks , Anquan Boldin and Michael Irvin being the best examples.

 

There were a few trying to knock him (seldomrite being the most adamant) but it was for the most part seen as a positive pick.

 

So far the doubters are looking real foolish. Dudes a beast plain and simple.

Quote:I mostly remember people liking the pick but saying " he will be good, just not elite because he doesnt have the measurables of Fitz/ Julio/ Green."

Yep, and those people are realizing that they are wrong. He can be elite.

Quote:I wasn't aware of that but still think it would be stupid for him to go back to school. If he continues on the pace he's going right now and tops if off with a solid bowl appearance, he'll be the consensus #1 pick.

I remember when Gabbert was the consensus pick and he had no reason to return to school for another year.

 

I'm not saying it will help with his draft stock. He will almost surely be picked top 3, if not the #1 overall pick. (Staying in would help teams have a better sample of his work, especially seeing him go against teams that can compete with him... a showdown with him vs the up and coming Winston would be a nice show)

All my "argument" is based on is the fact that, in my personal humble opinion, there are guys being over looked that I think will have a better chance to come in and be effective right away. And I don't know for sure "my picks" or Bridgewater will. No one does. Not Fragile, not Mel Kiper Jr. What I do know is guys who have been 2-3 year starters, against weak conferences in college, seem to flare and flame out, or struggle early and come on late. Whereas I think guys like Stafford, Ryan and the upcoming SEC and ACC QBs, with more starts and playing against stronger teams seem to be better prepared.

 

Maybe Bridgewater blows people away like he is at Louisville. And maybe coming back to college ends up sending him the way of former USC QB by not having a great year. But FOR THE JAGS I think some other QBs in the upcoming draft are safer picks.

 

I certainly won't complain about Bridgewater at #1 overall. But I'd hate to see a team like the tinhorns grab someone like Murray later in the draft and the Jags be left with 3rd or 4th in the division for years to come. We need a QB that will be as good or better than Luck.

Although... Bridgewater certainly is more mobile than a McCarron or Murray, Boyd seems to have that mobile ability too and yet I rarely hear anyone even discuss him.

Does he not look legit? He looked the part earlier against a tough GA defense. What would Boyd's numbers be if he played against Temple?

25-35 for 300+ doesn't seem far fetched from what I've seen.

Boyd didn't start the whole season his freshmen year, but he was there, learning. Now as a 4th year player and 3rd year starter, his stats have improved against steeper competition. And while the college season is far from done... All I can ask is, why do people jump on me for not being one of the sheep that automatically run to the stat machine in Bridgewater? Instead of reading my whole argument, people wanted to jump on me for SEC homerism that isn't there when in all reality, Boyd is the guy I'd like most. With everyone wanting Bridgewater (apparently) couldn't Caldwell trade #1 overall and get a good ransom and still grab Boyd plus more pieces (and boy do we need em on the oline and dline).

Quote:I certainly won't complain about Bridgewater at #1 overall. But I'd hate to see a team like the tinhorns grab someone like Murray later in the draft and the Jags be left with 3rd or 4th in the division for years to come. We need a QB that will be as good or better than Luck.

Although... Bridgewater certainly is more mobile than a McCarron or Murray, Boyd seems to have that mobile ability too and yet I rarely hear anyone even discuss him.

Does he not look legit? He looked the part earlier against a tough GA defense. What would Boyd's numbers be if he played against Temple?

25-35 for 300+ doesn't seem far fetched from what I've seen.

 

 

No current SEC quarterback even sniff's Luck's talent level.

 

As for Boyd, I like his game.  But if his first read is covered, he's running.  He still doesn't go through his progressions properly.

 

Bridgewater is the way to go.

.....Can you imagine how good he'll be once he gets a legit QB throwing the rock to him.

Manziel to Blackmon.....music to my ears :yes:[/quote]

Better

Quote:I remember when Gabbert was the consensus pick and he had no reason to return to school for another year.

 

I'm not saying it will help with his draft stock. He will almost surely be picked top 3, if not the #1 overall pick. (Staying in would help teams have a better sample of his work, especially seeing him go against teams that can compete with him... a showdown with him vs the up and coming Winston would be a nice show)

All my "argument" is based on is the fact that, in my personal humble opinion, there are guys being over looked that I think will have a better chance to come in and be effective right away. And I don't know for sure "my picks" or Bridgewater will. No one does. Not Fragile, not Mel Kiper Jr. What I do know is guys who have been 2-3 year starters, against weak conferences in college, seem to flare and flame out, or struggle early and come on late. Whereas I think guys like Stafford, Ryan and the upcoming SEC and ACC QBs, with more starts and playing against stronger teams seem to be better prepared.

 

Maybe Bridgewater blows people away like he is at Louisville. And maybe coming back to college ends up sending him the way of former USC QB by not having a great year. But FOR THE JAGS I think some other QBs in the upcoming draft are safer picks.

 

I certainly won't complain about Bridgewater at #1 overall. But I'd hate to see a team like the tinhorns grab someone like Murray later in the draft and the Jags be left with 3rd or 4th in the division for years to come. We need a QB that will be as good or better than Luck.

Although... Bridgewater certainly is more mobile than a McCarron or Murray, Boyd seems to have that mobile ability too and yet I rarely hear anyone even discuss him.

Does he not look legit? He looked the part earlier against a tough GA defense. What would Boyd's numbers be if he played against Temple?

25-35 for 300+ doesn't seem far fetched from what I've seen.

Boyd didn't start the whole season his freshmen year, but he was there, learning. Now as a 4th year player and 3rd year starter, his stats have improved against steeper competition. And while the college season is far from done... All I can ask is, why do people jump on me for not being one of the sheep that automatically run to the stat machine in Bridgewater? Instead of reading my whole argument, people wanted to jump on me for SEC homerism that isn't there when in all reality, Boyd is the guy I'd like most. With everyone wanting Bridgewater (apparently) couldn't Caldwell trade #1 overall and get a good ransom and still grab Boyd plus more pieces (and boy do we need em on the oline and dline).

Trust me.. I got a huge man crush on Boyd. I went to Maryland so I watch a lot of ACC games and Boyd is legit.

 

Bridgewater is just better than all those other guys. He doesn't have a Sammy Watkins to throw to. He doesn't have a monster Oline like some of those SEC QB's do. If Bridgewater has a bad game, they lose. McCarron has had some bad games this year and yet they still win. Boyd didn't play a full game after a slight injury and they still won.

 

If you put Bridgewater on Bama... Yikes... If you put McCarron on Louisville?

Quote:90% is way too high. There was a lot of support for the pick.

 

Yup.  He was widely supported on the board. It was the usual naysayers who hammer every move the team makes, but most felt it was a great pick because it filled a need and he was arguably the best player on the board.

Quote:No current SEC quarterback even sniff's Luck's talent level.

 

As for Boyd, I like his game.  But if his first read is covered, he's running.  He still doesn't go through his progressions properly.

 

Bridgewater is the way to go.

Well.... at least you added a tidbit on Boyds game.

And I still think people are under estimating Murray. McCarron could be a late round gem, imo. McCarron is above and beyond the McElroys and JP Wilsons of the past.

 

Boyd doesn't have much outside of Watkins but I've seen him improve in each game this season and from each season as well. That shows me that he has the "it" to become great. He learns and gets better, each year, instead of regressing. Which, to be fair, Teddy hasn't regressed... but he plays a lot of Temple level comp.

Quote:Thats stupid, I suggested trading MoJo because of hsi age/ our rebuilding situation. 

 

I suggested Shorts' because in my mind, he's merely a cog. But now after seeing Caldwell's "negotiation skills" only being able to net a couple of old shoes in return for Monroe, I wouldn't even do suggest that anymore. 

 

Blackmon is a true fixture piece for the rebuilding and is young enough to be here when the process hits its zenith. I would never suggest dealing a player like that at his age. 

 

You are simply ridiculous or ignorant with the above crap if you cannot see the logic in some of the players I suggested trading. 

 

I'm neither ignorant, nor am I being ridiculous.  I know your schtick well enough to know that you've probably got a draft thread ready to go the next time something goes wrong for Blackmon where you'll be suggesting he would be great trade bait.  It's not a reach, and you know it because any time a player gets to the point where he's starting to show promise, you're concocting trade scenarios between batches or french fries.

 

You do this so you can tell everyone you're the smartest guy in the room since nobody else is doing that for you.

Quote:Well.... at least you added a tidbit on Boyds game.

And I still think people are under estimating Murray. McCarron could be a late round gem, imo. McCarron is above and beyond the McElroys and JP Wilsons of the past.

 

Boyd doesn't have much outside of Watkins but I've seen him improve in each game this season and from each season as well. That shows me that he has the "it" to become great. He learns and gets better, each year, instead of regressing. Which, to be fair, Teddy hasn't regressed... but he plays a lot of Temple level comp.

You harp too much on the talent level that Teddy plays against. You think he would be worse if he played for someone like Bama? Look at the talent Bama has compared to Louisville. If Teddy had that running game and people like Cooper to throw to? He would be that much better.

 

I think its more of a risk to take someone like Murray, McCarron or Boyd than it is to take the consensus #1 pick and #1 QB by just about everyone in Teddy.

Quote:You harp too much on the talent level that Teddy plays against. You think he would be worse if he played for someone like Bama? Look at the talent Bama has compared to Louisville. If Teddy had that running game and people like Cooper to throw to? He would be that much better.

 

I think its more of a risk to take someone like Murray, McCarron or Boyd than it is to take the consensus #1 pick and #1 QB by just about everyone in Teddy.

What I'm saying, and you're missing, is that if LOUISVILLE played steeper competition than they are now, Ohio, Eastern Ky, KY[bottom feeders of the SEC] (who held Teddy to 250 yds and 1 td), Temple, that he wouldn't post such ridiculous numbers. Heck, not even that he WOULDN'T just that it is POSSIBLE he wouldn't.

 

Sure if you put him in place of McCarron on Bama's team he'd likely still be a star. But how does he do under real pressure. How will he do when he comes to the hapless Jags and plays steep competition in and out.

 

Once again.... to be clear... I'm not really doubting what is obvious. Guys like Teddy and Manziel got the moves and the stats... but so did Tebow (NO I'm not saying they are the same). Lots of guys get the stats and look the part. I want a guy who's been on the losing end and fought back. I want a guy that has dealt with some adversity and who is mature and won't come to the big boy league and be swallowed up or shrink.

I'm no psychic, so I can't say Teddy WILL do that or that Boyd WON'T. But I am not one of the masses completely sold on a kid who has played a lot of nobodies in 2 and about a half a season of college ball.

This kid was sold as #1 overall QB before this season even started. It is quite silly.

Kind of like Clowney being sold as a sure fire thing(#1 overall)... when all I can see is a quitter. A get paid and sit down Albert Haynesworth style player.

I'd feel more comfortable with a 24-25 year old rookie who has seen the ups and downs and ran a pro offense against legit D's and put up solid and sometimes great numbers, moreso than a kid that just runs all over the likes of Temple.

Like I said before... I remember when Gabs was the consensus #1 and he slid to 10, and we "stole" him there. Anytime you pick #1 overall it is a gamble. I'd roll my dice with someone else is all I'm saying. In a couple years, no matter who drafts who, feel free to bring this post back up and say "I told you so" if I'm wrong.

I have no idea how you can call Florida's defense porous. Bridgewater has put up good numbers against even the good secondaries he has faced. UF had probably 3-4 1st rounders and several more draftable players in their secondary. He also put up numbers against UConn and Syracuse last year.