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Quote:Do you even have a sense of humor or did you lose it when dropped on your head?
 

I considered ranting about how I'd kill anyone that ever called me Francis, but I wasn't sure if you even had seen stripes or were just parroting you saw someone post once.
Quote:I considered ranting about how I'd kill anyone that ever called me Francis, but I wasn't sure if you even had seen stripes or were just parroting you saw someone post once.
 

Surprising, since given your out of place comment on its usage I would have surely bet that you had to Google it.
Quote:Surprising, since given your out of place comment on its usage I would have surely bet that you had to Google it.

Maybe it's just that on the internet irony is so very difficult to detect.

 

A good enough parody of the absurd becomes indistinguishable from it without contextual nonverbal cues.
Quote:One of the few battles where the loser wins.
Sometimes you have to lose the battle, to win the war.  
Quote:You have a QB like Manning (when he was with the Colts when MOJO came into the league)and Brady now... good QB's like them means a defense can't stack the box to stop the run... both Manning and Brady would have a field day against a stacked box... that leaves a RB, like MOJO, with a lot of room to run...


Greg Jones and a FB on the team now is much needed to run the ball because the box is stacked and the very poor play of the Jags QB's...
 

I would have loved to have MJD as a Colts player, FT as well. I could even see the Colts winning more than the 1 SB if they had an effective MJD complimenting their passing game... but given that the Colts (and Patriots) primarily geared their coaching schemes, personnel, and weekly game plans towards throwing the ball, and the Jaguars focusing the same heavily on the running game ... I don't think Jones-Drew would have went hog wild, or possibly not even being as successful as he has been in Jacksonville.
 
For sure though, it is interesting to speculate how much a real running game could have enhanced the Manning prime years, and what Manning could have done for MJD as well, but it is only speculation, and opinion, as the teams were geared to differing strengths in just about every way possible.
Quote:I would have loved to have MJD as a Colts player, FT as well. I could even see the Colts winning more than the 1 SB if they had an effective MJD complimenting their passing game... but given that the Colts (and Patriots) primarily geared their coaching schemes, personnel, and weekly game plans towards throwing the ball, and the Jaguars focusing the same heavily on the running game ... I don't think Jones-Drew would have went hog wild, or possibly not even being as successful as he has been in Jacksonville.
 
For sure though, it is interesting to speculate how much a real running game could have enhanced the Manning prime years, and what Manning could have done for MJD as well, but it is only speculation, and opinion, as the teams were geared to differing strengths in just about every way possible.
I don't know what more you would want from a RB Sammy... Peyton had a real good one in Edgerrine James in Mannings prime years... he was a work-horse too if I recall it right...he had several seasons where he carried the ball 300+ times plus he had several years off 1500+ yards for the season...

I know both the Pats and Colts geared their game plan to throw the ball...but it's not like the Colts didn't run it a lot during Edges time there... the stretch play-action with James was one of their favorite plays...

All I was speculation on was MOJO could have operated in both of their systems just fine without a FB because of the QB... with the Jags and a lack of a passing game, defenses stacking the box a FB is needed more here than there...
Quote:I don't know what more you would want from a RB Sammy... Peyton had a real good one in Edgerrine James in Mannings prime years... he was a work-horse too if I recall it right...he had several seasons where he carried the ball 300+ times plus he had several years off 1500+ yards for the season...


I know both the Pats and Colts geared their game plan to throw the ball...but it's not like the Colts didn't run it a lot during Edges time there... the stretch play-action with James was one of their favorite plays...


All I was speculation on was MOJO could have operated in both of their systems just fine without a FB because of the QB... with the Jags and a lack of a passing game, defenses stacking the box a FB is needed more here than there...
 

You do make a good point, however I do as well consider that the Colts running effectiveness went downhill with the loss of Edgerrin James, but that decline also coincides with the injury season of Marvin Harrison, and beyond. When I think back to around that time I felt the Colts did somewhat (I stress "somewhat") replace James with Addai, but to me I feel Harrison's decline, and departure hurt the Colts rushing game even more than the departure of James (IMO). Had Gonzalez been even a mediocre replacement for Marvin, I believe the Colts rushing game could have turned out very differently production wise than it did.
 
The Colts just didn't face safeties playing in the box in run support when Marvin Harrison was healthy, nor did teams run blitz the Colts that often (if ever), whether it was James, or Addai, so I guess Harrison removed the same 8th man in the box that a fullback would have removed in a way.
 
I do appreciate that Pagano covets the FB position to help the running game (and protect Luck). With the loss of Dwayne Allen (Which I think has been a far better all around TE than Fleener) for the season, I would like to see the Colts "really" make an attempt to run the ball better, and it looks like they are. I honestly feel that the Colts success this season will hinge on the run opening up the passing game more than the other way around.
 
Well darn, I'm not sure I made the point I was trying to make as I got totally sidetracked in thought. It's an age thing, I am sure you understand. I was trying to say ... :blink:  ... umm, what was I trying to say? I had a point Shag, I swear I did. Embarrassing Sad.
Pretty stupid move considering Richardson is hardly what you call an elite back. He was an elite college player. So! The guy had over 900 yards, so what? But he faced 8 man fronts! So did Freddy T and MJD still does. Never thought the Browns should have picked him at 3. The move was beyond dumb. No they get a chance to basically re-do that pick, with a mid rounder, which is still a little higher than where he should have went. 

 

3.5 yds a carry....Real threat!

Quote:Pretty stupid move considering Richardson is hardly what you call an elite back. He was an elite college player. So! The guy had over 900 yards, so what? But he faced 8 man fronts! So did Freddy T and MJD still does. Never thought the Browns should have picked him at 3. The move was beyond dumb. No they get a chance to basically re-do that pick, with a mid rounder, which is still a little higher than where he should have went. 

 

3.5 yds a carry....Real threat!
 

 

Well aren't you a Debbie Downer, how about you give us your "I'm better than any GM thoughts on moving up to draft Blaine Gabbert bullet points?" Tongue

 

 

 

What is the percentage of players taken in the 1st round that are still in the league after 5 years?

 

 

I don't know either, but you are probably sober enough to google it.
Quote:I don't know either, but you are probably sober enough to google it.

BOO SOBRIETY!

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Quote:Well aren't you a Debbie Downer, how about you give us your "I'm better than any GM thoughts on moving up to draft Blaine Gabbert bullet points?" Tongue

 

 

 

What is the percentage of players taken in the 1st round that are still in the league after 5 years?

 

 

I don't know either, but you are probably sober enough to google it.

 

 
<p style="font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">First, I never wanted Blaine Gabbert. I was consistently saying we should draft Kaepernick at 16. 

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<p style="font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">Secondly, I would never draft a RB with the 3rd pick unless they were a truly game changing back, like AD, CJ Spiller, McFadden (yea I know he is injury prone), Stephen Jackson,  LT, Jamal Lewis, Edge, etc etc. 

Quote:Well aren't you a Debbie Downer, how about you give us your "I'm better than any GM thoughts on moving up to draft Blaine Gabbert bullet points?" Tongue

 

 

 

What is the percentage of players taken in the 1st round that are still in the league after 5 years?

 

 

I don't know either, but you are probably sober enough to google it.
 

Not worth the effort trying to talk sense into this one.
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<div>You do make a good point, however I do as well consider that the Colts running effectiveness went downhill with the loss of Edgerrin James, but that decline also coincides with the injury season of Marvin Harrison, and beyond. When I think back to around that time I felt the Colts did somewhat (I stress "somewhat") replace James with Addai, but to me I feel Harrison's decline, and departure hurt the Colts rushing game even more than the departure of James (IMO). Had Gonzalez been even a mediocre replacement for Marvin, I believe the Colts rushing game could have turned out very differently production wise than it did.
 
The Colts just didn't face safeties playing in the box in run support when Marvin Harrison was healthy, nor did teams run blitz the Colts that often (if ever), whether it was James, or Addai, so I guess Harrison removed the same 8th man in the box that a fullback would have removed in a way.
 
I do appreciate that Pagano covets the FB position to help the running game (and protect Luck). With the loss of Dwayne Allen (Which I think has been a far better all around TE than Fleener) for the season, I would like to see the Colts "really" make an attempt to run the ball better, and it looks like they are. I honestly feel that the Colts success this season will hinge on the run opening up the passing game more than the other way around.
 
Well darn, I'm not sure I made the point I was trying to make as I got totally sidetracked in thought. It's an age thing, I am sure you understand. I was trying to say ... :blink:  ... umm, what was I trying to say? I had a point Shag, I swear I did. Embarrassing Sad.
 
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The Jags didn't face a stacked box when they had Jimmy Smith and McCardell playing either...Fred didn't see that... now when McCardell was let go and only Smith was left the defense started stacking the box because they could double Jimmy...
 
With the Colts when Harrison played they had Wayne and a pretty good slot man... your running game didn't suffer until Harrison got hurt (the defense could double Wayne and stack the box)... but that didn't slow the passing game down because of the play of Manning... MOJO has played his entire career without a passing game or a WR like Harrison or Wayne...
 
Here's a stat that I found very interesting... it came from Mike & Mike on ESPN2... it's about AP running behind a FB and not running behind a FB... they said that when AP ran behind Felton, his FB, he ran the ball 224 times for a 7.25 yards per carry... without Felton he carried the ball 124 times for a 3.8 average... now I've not looked that up to find out if that's accurate or not but they said it... I was a little shocked to hear that because I thought AP didn't really need that kind of help...but I guess it shows what a great RB can do when he gets to the second level on a defense with the help of a good blocking FB...
 
Either way it goes I think your Colts will benefit from the trade by taking pressure off of the QB...
 
And I truly know what you mean by the mind wondering...
 
 

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Quote:Not worth the effort trying to talk sense into this one.
 

When did you become a Colts fan? Is that before or after you found your first friend?
Quote:Worked? How? The new GM didn't take Richardson but was able to get a first round for him. The Colts gave away a premium pick, just like they did last year for Vontae Davis. How does that trade look now? Not sure what Grigson is doing to be honest. Trading away these picks is going to catch up with you eventually.
 

The Current Browns GM did not take Trent Richardson in the draft this is true, but he did have this to say about him a few days before the draft while working as an analyst for NFL Network/NFL.com

 

"I believe the safest pick in the draft—beyond Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III—is Alabama running back Trent Richardson. He’s a blue-chip player and has all the skills to quickly establish himself as a top-five player at his position. Forget the nonsense about not taking backs early—everyone would love the chance to get this guy."
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First, I never wanted Blaine Gabbert. I was consistently saying we should draft Kaepernick at 16. 

 

Secondly, I would never draft a RB with the 3rd pick unless they were a truly game changing back, like AD, CJ Spiller, McFadden (yea I know he is injury prone), Stephen Jackson,  LT, Jamal Lewis, Edge, etc etc. 

 
 

In other words, you would break out your crystal ball on draft day and see how potential draft picks are going to look 3-4 years into their NFL careers?

 

One of the few things Bill Polian ever said that I happen to agree with is that early round draft picks are a huge gamble.  An elite college player does not always translate to an elite NFL player.  In 2012, Trent Richardson WAS considered a game changer, which is why Cleveland traded up to get him.

 

Now that the Colts have basically (re)drafted him with their 2014 first round draft pick, we will see how he does in a backfield in which he is sharing the load with two (plus) other guys.  Ahmad Bradshaw had a great day against the 49ers.  Maybe next week, it will be Richardson's turn.  Or Brown's turn.  Who knows?

Quote:When did you become a Colts fan? Is that before or after you found your first friend?
 

Hahahaha!! You have a good handle on pirk. :yes: 
Quote:When did you become a Colts fan? Is that before or after you found your first friend?
 

Wise enough to see Richardson's a talent and it's the Colts who made out on this one, not the Browns.

 

Unlike yourself.
Quote:Wise enough to see Richardson's a talent and it's the Colts who made out on this one, not the Browns.

 

 

 
 

 

If the Browns use the pick to trade up to get their QB of the future, the above statement will be destroyed...
Quote:Worked? How? The new GM didn't take Richardson but was able to get a first round for him. The Colts gave away a premium pick, just like they did last year for Vontae Davis. How does that trade look now? Not sure what Grigson is doing to be honest. Trading away these picks is going to catch up with you eventually.
 

How has it worked? It has worked magically. He's the closest thing the Colts have had in a shutdown corner in YEARS. QBs don't even throw his way. He's played amazing at the end of last year and the beginning of this year.
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