(11-08-2017, 09:58 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 09:04 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair, The Jags have only beaten 1 team with a winning record.
However, I think the Jags are a better team now than they were in week 2.
To also be fair the Jaguars should have won against the Jets, the holding call on the fourth quarter Fournette touchdown called on Benn was completely bogus and if that bad call isn't made the Jaguars won even without the bad overtime drops or seriously bad officiating that put the Jets in position to kick a game winner, and their only other losses are against teams leading their divisions.
If ARob were healthy and playing this season I think the Jaguars would be undefeated, because teams would not be able to get away with playing defense like they have for most of the season against the Jaguars with a serious down field threat like him in the game.
Lots of "ifs" there but the fact remains that the Jags have only beaten 1 team with a winning record.
I do think the Jags are better than their 5-3 record but it is what it is. They are 5-3 and SHOULD be 7-1 but they're not. They SHOULD have beaten the Jets and Rams but they didn't.
I think the Jags are going to go on a nice little run to start the 2nd half of the season.
You are what your record says you are. You dont see us crying about the bogus turn of events in the dolphins game. Should have been a win with crummy cassel.
Titans and jags are both 5-3. And the titans beat down the jags head to head. Thats all that matters.
(11-08-2017, 02:49 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 02:16 PM)Jeff.Fisher Wrote: [ -> ]You are what your record says you are. You dont see us crying about the bogus turn of events in the dolphins game. Should have been a win with crummy cassel.
Titans and jags are both 5-3. And the titans beat down the jags head to head. Thats all that matters right now.
FIFY
Lots of football left.
True. Just tired of seeing how sorry you say the Titans are yet they whooped your jags up and down the field.
Titans are winning games while not playing great. Thats important. They will win this division soon enough. Jags may get a wild card though. I predict we see jags @ titans two weeks in a row.
(11-09-2017, 11:32 PM)Jeff.Fisher Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2017, 02:49 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]FIFY
Lots of football left.
True. Just tired of seeing how sorry you say the Titans are yet they whooped your jags up and down the field.
Titans are winning games while not playing great. Thats important. They will win this division soon enough. Jags may get a wild card though. I predict we see jags @ titans two weeks in a row.
I'm just going but what I've seen. Titans beat the Jags in week 2 but that game was tied a field goal for a while until the Jags killed themselves.
I see a Jags team that's getting better and a Titans team that can't really move the ball on offense. Time will tell though.
The Titans have a solid team. I think that the perception that the Jags are better, at least on this board, is due in part to score differential. When the Jags have been winning they have been doing so in dominating fashion. It gives the perception, whether real or not, that they are a better team. Tennessee has a negative point differential and has struggled in recent weeks. I also think that there is a perception that the Jags are trending upwards, which is to say getting better each week. That might be because the Jags were expected to be bad, but it is true that each week they are showing us a little more than before.
The division comes down to a few things.
#1 - Can the Titans string together wins if Mariota is playing average or worse (he seems to be streaky this year - maybe its because of injuries)
#2 - Can Bortles continue his streak of good games (some of his best games have come in recent weeks - not stat wise, but play wise)
#3 - Schedules - Titans a few tough games left, Jags too. Does either team leave a game or 2 on the field that they should have won.
(11-10-2017, 10:01 AM)Vicbow Rules Wrote: [ -> ]The Titans have a solid team. I think that the perception that the Jags are better, at least on this board, is due in part to score differential. When the Jags have been winning they have been doing so in dominating fashion. It gives the perception, whether real or not, that they are a better team. Tennessee has a negative point differential and has struggled in recent weeks. I also think that there is a perception that the Jags are trending upwards, which is to say getting better each week. That might be because the Jags were expected to be bad, but it is true that each week they are showing us a little more than before.
The division comes down to a few things.
#1 - Can the Titans string together wins if Mariota is playing average or worse (he seems to be streaky this year - maybe its because of injuries)
#2 - Can Bortles continue his streak of good games (some of his best games have come in recent weeks - not stat wise, but play wise)
#3 - Schedules - Titans a few tough games left, Jags too. Does either team leave a game or 2 on the field that they should have won.
Pretty good post. Jags success will come down to Bortles, period. If he fan continue being solid and not turn the ball over, Jags will have a shot, but I wouldnt count on that, there defense is heing overhyped though. Their defense is good but isnt a defense that could overcome a bad QB. Thats just my opinion. There stats are pretty skewed because of that 10 sack game they had. They still give big play; and their run defense is suspect.
(11-10-2017, 03:05 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2017, 10:01 AM)Vicbow Rules Wrote: [ -> ]The Titans have a solid team. I think that the perception that the Jags are better, at least on this board, is due in part to score differential. When the Jags have been winning they have been doing so in dominating fashion. It gives the perception, whether real or not, that they are a better team. Tennessee has a negative point differential and has struggled in recent weeks. I also think that there is a perception that the Jags are trending upwards, which is to say getting better each week. That might be because the Jags were expected to be bad, but it is true that each week they are showing us a little more than before.
The division comes down to a few things.
#1 - Can the Titans string together wins if Mariota is playing average or worse (he seems to be streaky this year - maybe its because of injuries)
#2 - Can Bortles continue his streak of good games (some of his best games have come in recent weeks - not stat wise, but play wise)
#3 - Schedules - Titans a few tough games left, Jags too. Does either team leave a game or 2 on the field that they should have won.
Pretty good post. Jags success will come down to Bortles, period. If he fan continue being solid and not turn the ball over, Jags will have a shot, but I wouldnt count on that, there defense is heing overhyped though. Their defense is good but isnt a defense that could overcome a bad QB. Thats just my opinion. There stats are pretty skewed because of that 10 sack game they had. They still give big play; and their run defense is suspect.
Pretty bad post. Jags have had success in multiple ways, in spite of Bortles and because of Bortles... With Fournette and without Fournette. Defensive wins (see squeelers) and offensive wins (see bungles, clots). If Bortles can continue being solid and not turn the ball over the Jags won't just have a "shot" at the playoffs... they'll run through them. Normally... I wouldn't count on it either, except Bortles is proving a lot of people wrong. The people that hated on him from the go, and the people like me that jumped off his bandwagon this offseason. The defense isn't just good.... it's great. Sure they've had a couple miscues in the run game but have recently locked that down. Check the stats on the past few games... This isn't opinion, it is fact. In 1 game alone the Jags improved the run D from 31st to 26th. 1 game kid. The stats aren't skewed because of 1-10 sack game.. they've had 2. And they've registered multiple sacks in multiple games. They have 10 different players with at least 1 sack. and 6 players with multiple sacks. They haven't given up "the big play" since like week 4 VS the Jets. The run D has more to prove and gets a chance this week but your blind idiocy on the matter of just how good this D is is ridiculous.
Your brain is all that is skewed here. And that's what happens when your family tree has no branches
But keep it up Mary... I thoroughly enjoy your trolling.
(11-10-2017, 03:32 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2017, 03:05 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty good post. Jags success will come down to Bortles, period. If he fan continue being solid and not turn the ball over, Jags will have a shot, but I wouldnt count on that, there defense is heing overhyped though. Their defense is good but isnt a defense that could overcome a bad QB. Thats just my opinion. There stats are pretty skewed because of that 10 sack game they had. They still give big play; and their run defense is suspect.
Pretty bad post. Jags have had success in multiple ways, in spite of Bortles and because of Bortles... With Fournette and without Fournette. Defensive wins (see squeelers) and offensive wins (see bungles, clots). If Bortles can continue being solid and not turn the ball over the Jags won't just have a "shot" at the playoffs... they'll run through them. Normally... I wouldn't count on it either, except Bortles is proving a lot of people wrong. The people that hated on him from the go, and the people like me that jumped off his bandwagon this offseason. The defense isn't just good.... it's great. Sure they've had a couple miscues in the run game but have recently locked that down. Check the stats on the past few games... This isn't opinion, it is fact. In 1 game alone the Jags improved the run D from 31st to 26th. 1 game kid. The stats aren't skewed because of 1-10 sack game.. they've had 2. And they've registered multiple sacks in multiple games. They have 10 different players with at least 1 sack. and 6 players with multiple sacks. They haven't given up "the big play" since like week 4 VS the Jets. The run D has more to prove and gets a chance this week but your blind idiocy on the matter of just how good this D is is ridiculous.
Your brain is all that is skewed here. And that's what happens when your family tree has no branches
But keep it up Mary... I thoroughly enjoy your trolling.
Take away their ‘2’ 10 sacks games, and their getting about 2.1 sacks per game for a defense that you supposely think its “greatness” and “historic” — you’re being a complete homer and breaking down total stats, when you should focus on break down stats more in halfs. You guys are pretty vunerable on offense, if teams shut down your run game, you cant count on bortles leading you on game winning drives.
Defense wins championships, but its also a passing league, Bortles will have to win some of these games because you guys arent as good on defense as advertised. Overall stats mean nothing to me especially when it comes down to the Jaguars & Titans; they had one of the easiest schedules in the league.
(11-10-2017, 03:39 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2017, 03:32 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty bad post. Jags have had success in multiple ways, in spite of Bortles and because of Bortles... With Fournette and without Fournette. Defensive wins (see squeelers) and offensive wins (see bungles, clots). If Bortles can continue being solid and not turn the ball over the Jags won't just have a "shot" at the playoffs... they'll run through them. Normally... I wouldn't count on it either, except Bortles is proving a lot of people wrong. The people that hated on him from the go, and the people like me that jumped off his bandwagon this offseason. The defense isn't just good.... it's great. Sure they've had a couple miscues in the run game but have recently locked that down. Check the stats on the past few games... This isn't opinion, it is fact. In 1 game alone the Jags improved the run D from 31st to 26th. 1 game kid. The stats aren't skewed because of 1-10 sack game.. they've had 2. And they've registered multiple sacks in multiple games. They have 10 different players with at least 1 sack. and 6 players with multiple sacks. They haven't given up "the big play" since like week 4 VS the Jets. The run D has more to prove and gets a chance this week but your blind idiocy on the matter of just how good this D is is ridiculous.
Your brain is all that is skewed here. And that's what happens when your family tree has no branches
But keep it up Mary... I thoroughly enjoy your trolling.
Take away their ‘2’ 10 sacks games, and their getting about 2.1 sacks per game for a defense that you supposely think its “greatness” and “historic” — you’re being a complete homer and breaking down total stats, when you should focus on break down stats more in halfs. You guys are pretty vunerable on offense, if teams shut down your run game, you cant count on bortles leading you on game winning drives.
Defense wins championships, but its also a passing league, Bortles will have to win some of these games because you guys arent as good on defense as advertised. Overall stats mean nothing to me especially when it comes down to the Jaguars & Titans; they had one of the easiest schedules in the league.
hahahahahaha OK
Take away this or that... whatever I need to take away to make my argument seem sound
lol you can't take away those performances anymore than we can take away Henry's 95 yards or Bilal's 75 yard run that never should have been.
If we take away a blocked punt we have another win...
If we take away this or that, we're undefeated...
They've had at least 1 sack in every game. And multiple sacks in every game save for the tacks.
but you keep trying to take away what's been done.
Suppose we could take the 85 bears 10 sack games away too and they wouldn't have been historic either......
wow... we're better than I thought.
(11-10-2017, 04:48 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2017, 03:39 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ]Take away their ‘2’ 10 sacks games, and their getting about 2.1 sacks per game for a defense that you supposely think its “greatness” and “historic” — you’re being a complete homer and breaking down total stats, when you should focus on break down stats more in halfs. You guys are pretty vunerable on offense, if teams shut down your run game, you cant count on bortles leading you on game winning drives.
Defense wins championships, but its also a passing league, Bortles will have to win some of these games because you guys arent as good on defense as advertised. Overall stats mean nothing to me especially when it comes down to the Jaguars & Titans; they had one of the easiest schedules in the league.
hahahahahaha OK
Take away this or that... whatever I need to take away to make my argument seem sound
lol you can't take away those performances anymore than we can take away Henry's 95 yards or Bilal's 75 yard run that never should have been.
If we take away a blocked punt we have another win...
If we take away this or that, we're undefeated...
They've had at least 1 sack in every game. And multiple sacks in every game save for the tacks.
but you keep trying to take away what's been done.
Suppose we could take the 85 bears 10 sack games away too and they wouldn't have been historic either......
wow... we're better than I thought.
Its you cute think that sacks are the deciding factor when breaking down great defenses that ever played.
(11-10-2017, 04:48 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2017, 03:39 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ]Take away their ‘2’ 10 sacks games, and their getting about 2.1 sacks per game for a defense that you supposely think its “greatness” and “historic” — you’re being a complete homer and breaking down total stats, when you should focus on break down stats more in halfs. You guys are pretty vunerable on offense, if teams shut down your run game, you cant count on bortles leading you on game winning drives.
Defense wins championships, but its also a passing league, Bortles will have to win some of these games because you guys arent as good on defense as advertised. Overall stats mean nothing to me especially when it comes down to the Jaguars & Titans; they had one of the easiest schedules in the league.
hahahahahaha OK
Take away this or that... whatever I need to take away to make my argument seem sound
lol you can't take away those performances anymore than we can take away Henry's 95 yards or Bilal's 75 yard run that never should have been.
If we take away a blocked punt we have another win...
If we take away this or that, we're undefeated...
They've had at least 1 sack in every game. And multiple sacks in every game save for the tacks.
but you keep trying to take away what's been done.
Suppose we could take the 85 bears 10 sack games away too and they wouldn't have been historic either......
wow... we're better than I thought.
Its you cute think that sacks are the deciding factor when breaking down great defenses that ever played.
(11-10-2017, 06:06 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2017, 04:48 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]hahahahahaha OK
Take away this or that... whatever I need to take away to make my argument seem sound
lol you can't take away those performances anymore than we can take away Henry's 95 yards or Bilal's 75 yard run that never should have been.
If we take away a blocked punt we have another win...
If we take away this or that, we're undefeated...
They've had at least 1 sack in every game. And multiple sacks in every game save for the tacks.
but you keep trying to take away what's been done.
Suppose we could take the 85 bears 10 sack games away too and they wouldn't have been historic either......
wow... we're better than I thought.
Its you cute think that sacks are the deciding factor when breaking down great defenses that ever played.
Yeah, sacks matter.
How about a league low in points per game?
How about the fact that it is statistically a better play to spike the ball than to throw to two of the members of the secondary, passer rating wise?
How about point differential?
How about turnovers?
It's like you're mentally deficient or something--oh wait, you're a tacks fan, so I guess we can blame that on your sister/mom and dad/uncle hooking up.
This defense is great. It is stifling. And I cannot [BLEEP] WAIT until week 17.
I think both teams have great shots but the key is going to be who goes on the run and who stays healthy. So far TN has been relaly banged up and they are still winning. Ugly for sure.......but they smoked Jax and Sea when healthy. Jax smoked Pitt in Pitt. Great win. TN laid an egg in Hou and Jax laid on in NY.
I think the next 4 weeks we'll see if they are both real or inconsistent.
(11-10-2017, 07:20 PM)CTEisREAL Wrote: [ -> ]I think both teams have great shots but the key is going to be who goes on the run and who stays healthy. So far TN has been relaly banged up and they are still winning. Ugly for sure.......but they smoked Jax and Sea when healthy. Jax smoked Pitt in Pitt. Great win. TN laid an egg in Hou and Jax laid on in NY.
I think the next 4 weeks we'll see if they are both real or inconsistent.
Seattle isn’t playing like the Seattle of the last few years. Same with NE. To me, they just don’t seem like THE dominant team they usually are. Add in the Sherman and other injuries, may not be that bad of a matchup for the Jags. Although they still seem good against the run.
How much faith you guys have in Bortles? I felt bad for the guy not too long ago because of all the hate on this board.
Titans will beat the jags three times this year. Thats the only stat that matters.
(11-10-2017, 08:35 PM)Jeff.Fisher Wrote: [ -> ]How much faith you guys have in Bortles? I felt bad for the guy not too long ago because of all the hate on this board.
Titans will beat the jags three times this year. Thats the only stat that matters.
At the beginning of the season I had ‘0’ faith in him. Now, having more faith. But still not convinced he can game manage consistently. I’m still waiting for a bunch of turnovers one game and soon. Hopefully he continues with what he’s been doing last few weeks. If he does, it’ll instill more faith.
As far as the second comment, I’ve just recently gotten over the tack hate due to that. I mean, I still hate your team. Just at a normal divisional hate level. If it happens again. [BLEEP] u guys!
. ..and for good!
(11-10-2017, 06:36 PM)JaguarKick Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2017, 06:06 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ] Its you cute think that sacks are the deciding factor when breaking down great defenses that ever played.
Yeah, sacks matter.
How about a league low in points per game?
How about the fact that it is statistically a better play to spike the ball than to throw to two of the members of the secondary, passer rating wise?
How about point differential?
How about turnovers?
It's like you're mentally deficient or something--oh wait, you're a tacks fan, so I guess we can blame that on your sister/mom and dad/uncle hooking up.
This defense is great. It is stifling. And I cannot [BLEEP] WAIT until week 17.
You cant call a defense great when your #24th against the run, and have faced 4 of the 8 teams that are 25 YPC. Like I said take-away two of those 10 sacks and you guys are averaging 2.0 sacks per game, pretty low to even be in the conversation of “historic defenses”. But I get it your excited about 5-3 in the worst division in Football and you think highly of your teams defense. Congralutions.
Homerism at its finest. I bet you thought Bortles was a great QB in 2015 after those stats, eh?
(11-10-2017, 07:47 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2017, 07:20 PM)CTEisREAL Wrote: [ -> ]I think both teams have great shots but the key is going to be who goes on the run and who stays healthy. So far TN has been relaly banged up and they are still winning. Ugly for sure.......but they smoked Jax and Sea when healthy. Jax smoked Pitt in Pitt. Great win. TN laid an egg in Hou and Jax laid on in NY.
I think the next 4 weeks we'll see if they are both real or inconsistent.
Seattle isn’t playing like the Seattle of the last few years. Same with NE. To me, they just don’t seem like THE dominant team they usually are. Add in the Sherman and other injuries, may not be that bad of a matchup for the Jags. Although they still seem good against the run.
Seattle nor NE need to be great on defense; they have top 5 QBs in the league. Over and over again this year Wilson has proven to be underrated; the guy is great and always finds a way to put his team on his back without no run game and garbage oline. NE is giving up alot of points but Brady could easily double up that in the scoreboard.
They might not be as dominant, but they still are very good because they have a top 5 position at the very most important position in football, and thats a QB.
(11-10-2017, 08:49 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2017, 06:36 PM)JaguarKick Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, sacks matter.
How about a league low in points per game?
How about the fact that it is statistically a better play to spike the ball than to throw to two of the members of the secondary, passer rating wise?
How about point differential?
How about turnovers?
It's like you're mentally deficient or something--oh wait, you're a tacks fan, so I guess we can blame that on your sister/mom and dad/uncle hooking up.
This defense is great. It is stifling. And I cannot [BLEEP] WAIT until week 17.
You cant call a defense great when your #24th against the run, and have faced 4 of the 8 teams that are 25 YPC. Like I said take-away two of those 10 sacks and you guys are averaging 2.0 sacks per game, pretty low to even be in the conversation of “historic defenses”. But I get it your excited about 5-3 in the worst division in Football and you think highly of your teams defense. Congralutions.
Homerism at its finest. I bet you thought Bortles was a great QB in 2015 after those stats, eh?
(11-10-2017, 07:47 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]Seattle isn’t playing like the Seattle of the last few years. Same with NE. To me, they just don’t seem like THE dominant team they usually are. Add in the Sherman and other injuries, may not be that bad of a matchup for the Jags. Although they still seem good against the run.
Seattle nor NE need to be great on defense; they have top 5 QBs in the league. Over and over again this year Wilson has proven to be underrated; the guy is great and always finds a way to put his team on his back without no run game and garbage oline. NE is giving up alot of points but Brady could easily double up that in the scoreboard.
They might not be as dominant, but they still are very good because they have a top 5 position at the very most important position in football, and thats a QB.
It’s was a nice drive at the end of the Washington game for Seattle. But not every week they’ll get that lucky.
You keep taking that 10 sack game away ( forgetting about the other 10 sack game, btw), then creating new averages. Assuming they would have had ‘0’ that game. Makes no sense, not one bit. Also not sure why you bash fans thinking our team is good while boasting about your team. As if they’ve been that great in recent years..
Whatever
(11-10-2017, 08:57 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2017, 08:49 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ]You cant call a defense great when your #24th against the run, and have faced 4 of the 8 teams that are 25 YPC. Like I said take-away two of those 10 sacks and you guys are averaging 2.0 sacks per game, pretty low to even be in the conversation of “historic defenses”. But I get it your excited about 5-3 in the worst division in Football and you think highly of your teams defense. Congralutions.
Homerism at its finest. I bet you thought Bortles was a great QB in 2015 after those stats, eh?
Seattle nor NE need to be great on defense; they have top 5 QBs in the league. Over and over again this year Wilson has proven to be underrated; the guy is great and always finds a way to put his team on his back without no run game and garbage oline. NE is giving up alot of points but Brady could easily double up that in the scoreboard.
They might not be as dominant, but they still are very good because they have a top 5 position at the very most important position in football, and thats a QB.
It’s was a nice drive at the end of the Washington game for Seattle. But not every week they’ll get that lucky.
You keep taking that 10 sack game away ( forgetting about the other 10 sack game, btw), then creating new averages. Assuming they would have had ‘0’ that game. Makes no sense one bit. Also not sure why you bash fans thinking our team is good while boasting about your team. As if they’ve been that great in recent years..
Whatever
How about the Seattle vs Houston game? Wilson drove them down the field to win them the game with Watson playing his best ball.