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(09-24-2017, 09:54 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2017, 09:47 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]You still have to give players and coaches who love their country the opportunity to salute the flag.

Can't they just do that in their own time?

Why is taking a knee so disrespectful anyway?

Sure. The players can also "protest" on their own time.

(09-24-2017, 09:54 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2017, 09:47 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]You still have to give players and coaches who love their country the opportunity to salute the flag.

Can't they just do that in their own time?

Why is taking a knee so disrespectful anyway?

The injustices these kids think they have been dealt have nothing to do with the flag or the national anthem. The whole thing shows ignorance on their part.

(09-24-2017, 09:54 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2017, 09:47 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]You still have to give players and coaches who love their country the opportunity to salute the flag.

Can't they just do that in their own time?

Why is taking a knee so disrespectful anyway?

Because there is a specific protocol outlined for how one demonstrates respect while the National Anthem is played or the American Flag displayed. Apparently there's also a specific section in the NFL rule book that outlines how players are to behave, but as with a lot of things Goodell does, those lines can just be ignored when he feels like doing so.

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(09-24-2017, 09:57 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2017, 09:54 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Can't they just do that in their own time?

Why is taking a knee so disrespectful anyway?

The injustices these kids think they have been dealt have nothing to do with the flag or the national anthem. The whole thing shows ignorance on their part.

The ignorance is that they believe the BLM bull [BLEEP] in the first place. It's like the whole damn world is trying to become a victim.

(09-24-2017, 09:57 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2017, 09:54 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]hey just do that in their own time?

Why is taking a knee so disrespectful anyway?

The injustices these kids think they have been dealt have nothing to do with the flag or the national anthem. The whole thing shows ignorance on their part.

research Reggie Gaffney, District 7 would he take a knee at his job now

Unreal they stood and had their hands over their hearts during GOD SAVE THE QUEEN. Do these morons even know what this song is about? MSM shills. That "hands up don't shoot" crap is all MSM and these fools and a lot of you people buy right into that. How about GOD SAVE AMERICA.

British cops don't have guns. Maybe they like that.

The saddest thing about this whole sad affair is that we are all chasing behind the actions of Collin Kaepernick. Whatever you think about the president, I don't think you have to worry about this kid splitting atoms in the future. This is the guy who wants the Castro brothers in charge of our education department. Richard Sherman and the Seattle Seahawks came up with the idea of standing and locking arms when this whole thing began and that didn't carry nearly the backlash.

The focus of the discussion has been solely on RIGHT TO PROTEST for the last 9 months or so. Any idiot can stomp their feet and call it a protest.That says nothing of how to demonstrate, how to actually have a message and present it in such a way that doesn't detract from or obscure it. This whole long sad story has empirically proven that choosing the anthem and the flag of the country that we ALL belong to and so many have DIED to protect and advance takes away from any other message and instead mires us in conversations about to stand or sit.

Ironically, this obfuscation actually serves as a fig leaf for the weakness of the entire argument in general. When was the last time that you heard someone kneeling for the flag actually citing FBI statistics on police shootings? When was the last time you heard someone fully articulate how in any given case someone was deprived of their right to due process or their respect as a human being under the law. A few years ago you had members of the St. Louis Rams come out with the "Hands up don't shoot" pose. When it was determined by the District Attorney (Democrat) and concurrently by the forensic analysis conducted by the DOJ (headed up by Eric Holder and directed by Barrack Obama) that the whole thing never happened did those players come out and issue a retraction/apology?

One of the reasons that we in America always seem to be having this discourse about Diversity and inclusion is because we are diverse and inclusive. Whenever you watch an international competition you can see that. I don't see a lot of little black girls running around on China's gymnastic team, I don't see a lot of Hispanic soccer players suiting up for great Britain. In America blacks make up a little less than 14% of the population. In GB its less than 4%. God save the queen.

Logic does not satisfy those seeking the emotional support that comes with victimhood.

Meh, Trump opens up his trap at some rally and instantly generated more conversation on the issue than Kap and all others accomplished in a years worth of kneeling/protesting while on the job. The "Cause " should be kissing his hairy sacks for bringing real attention to it. No matter how he accomplished it.

(09-25-2017, 08:52 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Meh, Trump opens up his trap at some rally and instantly generated more conversation on the issue than Kap and all others accomplished in a years worth of kneeling/protesting while on the job. The "Cause " should be kissing his hairy sacks for bringing real attention to it. No matter how he accomplished it.

I, and most of the people that I know, totally support what Trump said. The players have the right to protest, just as the fans have the right to not watch the game. Because of the timing of their protest, during the National Anthem, they have lost the support of MANY fans. When you disrespect our National Anthem, then you disrespect all who served to defend this great country! Once the ratings fall enough and the ticket money dries up the owners will be forced to face reality and fire these little Rich B.. babies.

Is there racism in this world, yes. I almost did not finish college because my financial aid counselor claimed he lost my paperwork going into my senior year. When I told his boss that I was going to report that racist black man to the Dean, all of a sudden he found my paperwork. I also have been called "cracker" by fellow black employees and when I reported it to the black man that was their manager, he just laughed. So YES there are racist people in all groups.

(09-24-2017, 09:09 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2017, 09:07 PM)Scarecrow Wrote: [ -> ]Is there a rule regarding not being on the sideline for the anthem

The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the NFL League Rulebook. It states:

“The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition...

...It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.

I realize you found that on the Internet, so therefore it must be true, but it is not. There is nothing in the NFL rule book regarding the anthem.

lol ... I love the way Donald is now praising NASCAR. Can you find a whiter sport than that?

Donald continues to play white identity politics and a lot of people buy into it. He apparently feels the need to periodically remind people that he's got the white man's back.

What confuses me is why anyone would care what Donald thinks on any subject. He's shown himself to be anything other but a deep thinker. In a couple of weeks he'll pretend to have his feelings hurt about something else and get the white folks all fired up again. Expect the same for the next three years.

(09-25-2017, 11:02 AM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]lol ... I love the way Donald is now praising NASCAR. Can you find a whiter sport than that?

That thought did cross my mind. Of course no one knelt for NASCAR. All the competitors are rich white guys (and a very, very rich white woman).

(09-25-2017, 11:02 AM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]lol ... I love the way Donald is now praising NASCAR. Can you find a whiter sport than that?

Donald continues to play white identity politics and a lot of people buy into it. He apparently feels the need to periodically remind people that he's got the white man's back.

What confuses me is why anyone would care what Donald thinks on any subject. He's shown himself to be anything other but a deep thinker. In a couple of weeks he'll pretend to have his feelings hurt about something else and get the white folks all fired up again. Expect the same for the next three years.

Now THAT is divisive

Trump is going after the NFL and NBA.... I wonder what makes those two leagues different than baseball and hockey.....

Trump isn't a stupid man. Everything he has done HIGHLY affects the NFL and does not really affect him one bit.

People tend to forget he is not an idiot.

Can we stop pretending that these football players are someone how brave and / or heroes for kneeling? All those that weren't doing it before are likely doing it now because it's against Trump. These millionaires, who live in their own bubble, don't see what they do as a risk.

This country was divided before Trump. This idea that Trump is to blame is stupid. Trump is the result of the divisiveness. Remember all those times people like Adam2012 and rj called you a racist for disagreeing with Obama? This is why Trump is the President.

Football is entertainment for MOST people. MOST people can go without watching it and likely only watch it because it's entertaining. THOSE people will start finding something else to watch when the NFL becomes too political. A Rasmussen poll said that 32% of people are less likely to watch it because of it, and that was in 2016. The ratings have continued to drop, and the NFL is even more political now than it was. You're naive if you don't think this is hurting the NFL.

As for the owners supporting their players, they'd be stupid not to do it. They're taking the politically correct route. The media would destroy them if they decided to take a stand against the players. This is all grandstanding.

(09-25-2017, 12:43 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Can we stop pretending that these football players are someone how brave and / or heroes for kneeling? All those that weren't doing it before are likely doing it now because it's against Trump. These millionaires, who likely live in their own bubble, don't see what they do as a risk.

This country was divided before Trump. This idea that Trump is to blame is stupid. Trump is the result of the divisiveness. Remember all those times people like Adam2012 and rj called you a racist for disagreeing with Obama? This is why Trump is the President.

Football is entertainment for MOST people. MOST people can go without watching it and likely only watch it because it's entertaining. THOSE people will start finding something else to watch when the NFL  becomes too political. A Rasmussen poll said that 32% of people are less likely to watch it because of it, and that was in 2016. The ratings have continued to drop, and the NFL is even more political now than it was. You're naive if you don't think this is hurting the NFL.

As for the owners supporting their players, they'd be stupid not to do it. They're taking the politically correct route. The media would destroy them if they decided to take a stand against the players. This is all grandstanding.

Exactly. Which is the reason he will win again in 2020.

(09-25-2017, 12:43 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Can we stop pretending that these football players are someone how brave and / or heroes for kneeling? All those that weren't doing it before are likely doing it now because it's against Trump. These millionaires, who likely live in their own bubble, don't see what they do as a risk.

This country was divided before Trump. This idea that Trump is to blame is stupid. Trump is the result of the divisiveness. Remember all those times people like Adam2012 and rj called you a racist for disagreeing with Obama? This is why Trump is the President.

Football is entertainment for MOST people. MOST people can go without watching it and likely only watch it because it's entertaining. THOSE people will start finding something else to watch when the NFL  becomes too political. A Rasmussen poll said that 32% of people are less likely to watch it because of it, and that was in 2016. The ratings have continued to drop, and the NFL is even more political now than it was. You're naive if you don't think this is hurting the NFL.

As for the owners supporting their players, they'd be stupid not to do it. They're taking the politically correct route. The media would destroy them if they decided to take a stand against the players. This is all grandstanding.

Show me one example in which I ever called someone a racist for disagreeing with Obama. You have to make up stuff just to defend your guy. That ought to show you how weak the Trump argument is and how easily he gets you to buy into it.

And how is the NFL "political"? Once the game starts it's a football game. And that's it. If you want to pretend to be stressed out that's up to you. I just watch the game.