(09-24-2017, 02:07 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2017, 01:40 PM)Frailbones Wrote: [ -> ]How’s that gonna happen when just about every owner is on their side and some were even on the sidelines.
How will they lose paychecks?
When fans stop showing up and ratings go down.
I have yet to see an NFL contract that says, "If the stadium is not 80% full, your pay for that week will be taken away." In fact, if such a thing had existed, the Jaguars would have had zero payroll expense from 2004-2010.
(09-24-2017, 04:00 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2017, 02:07 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]When fans stop showing up and ratings go down.
I have yet
to see an NFL contract that says, "If the stadium is not 80% full, your pay for that week will be taken away." In fact, if such a thing had existed, the Jaguars would have had zero payroll expense from 2004-2010.
It's not a one season happening. It's a process. The mixture of politics and mommas not letting their kids play football and become vegetables are what is fast tracking the NFL on a spiral of doom.
(09-24-2017, 02:55 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting to see what happens if this boycott of NFL sponsors takes off...
It won't. No one cares.
(09-24-2017, 03:04 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2017, 01:31 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]No, you're not alone, but the truth is most people don't care. They fall into the "I'm just here to see a [BLEEP] football game" category. That's actually the category I fall into. I support the players' right to self-expression, and I support the right of their employers to separate from them if they see that public conduct while representing the team as unacceptable.
It's fascinating to see that Trump's statement has had the exact opposite effect of what his words would suggest his intent was, and even more fascinating when you consider that maybe that's the reaction he was hoping for all along.
What's funny is, he's one of the most hated men in America and he just doesn't see it. He has such a high opinion of himself, he thinks others have to feel the same way. It's classic narcissism. He actually believes by speaking out, all Americans would rally around him. He's delusional. Maybe this display will bring him back down to Earth.
I suspect this display is exactly what he wanted. It further deepens the divide that he relies on to keep his base interested.
(09-24-2017, 03:11 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Not going to die down. It's only going to intensify. Wouldn't be so sure about the impact of a sponsor boycott. Not saying it will happen, but the POTUS has some heavy thumbs.
To quote an old friend of the franchise, "I wouldn't worry about that."
(09-24-2017, 03:16 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Some of the players might start burning the Flag next. Its your right to do that as well. Stay tuned.
Source?
(09-24-2017, 03:43 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]Drug dealers good cops racist pigs
Drug dealers bad. Cops good. Racist pig cops bad. What is so hard to understand about this?
(09-24-2017, 04:03 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2017, 04:00 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]I have yet
to see an NFL contract that says, "If the stadium is not 80% full, your pay for that week will be taken away." In fact, if such a thing had existed, the Jaguars would have had zero payroll expense from 2004-2010.
It's not a one season happening. It's a process. The mixture of politics and mommas not letting their kids play football and become vegetables are what is fast tracking the NFL on a spiral of doom.
70% of NFL players are black. Trust me, the vegetable thing is what will eventually kill the NFL.
(09-24-2017, 03:38 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]So.....after all this, what is their message? It still isn't clear.
Pretend a 10 year old asks their parents why those guys aren't standing with their hands on hearts? What's the stock answer?
The message is simple. "We don't like you Mr. Trump. Keep your opinions about the NFL to yourself."
(09-24-2017, 04:20 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2017, 03:38 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]So.....after all this, what is their message? It still isn't clear.
Pretend a 10 year old asks their parents why those guys aren't standing with their hands on hearts? What's the stock answer?
The message is simple. "We don't like you Mr. Trump. Keep your opinions about the NFL to yourself."
Guys were kneeling before he became president.......try again.
This is definitely not a PR winner for the league. I think the majority of people in this country are not on the side of those taking a knee. Already saw backlash in places like New England and Indy where fans were booing their own teams. If more players continue to take a knee, I think this will only get worse.
And it's a tough spot for the league. Defend your players, alienate a large segment of fans. Punish your players, alienate a large segment of fans. Not sure how they toe the line and upset as few people as possible.
(09-24-2017, 11:17 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2017, 10:54 AM)thejokker Wrote: [ -> ]A protest that insults, offends and alienates persons otherwise sympathetic to one's cause is doomed to failure. It can only inspire a counter-protest that could rip the NFL apart. I am a season ticket holder and a military veteran and I turned off the game after witnessing the protest by jaguar players. Unless this situation is brought under control I will not renew my tickets.
I respect your point of view, but would like to congratulate you for being a pawn.
I guess you do not see the hypocrisy in respecting a point of view and than turning around and disrespecting it. I can understand how you might fail to understand how military veterans who served the "United" States, many who had friends and family wounded or killed serving our country and symbolized by the flag and anthem, see the players protest as dividing instead of uniting. From "our" perspective people like you are the pawns of those who seek division instead of unity.
Today I was ashamed of our team.
(09-24-2017, 05:33 PM)thejokker Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2017, 11:17 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]I respect your point of view, but would like to congratulate you for being a pawn.
I guess you do not see the hypocrisy in respecting a point of view and than turning around and disrespecting it. I can understand how you might fail to understand how military veterans who served the "United" States, many who had friends and family wounded or killed serving our country and symbolized by the flag and anthem, see the players protest as dividing instead of uniting. From "our" perspective people like you are the pawns of those who seek division instead of unity.
Today I was ashamed of our team.
Glad to see you're inside my head. It was getting lonely up there. The voices had laid off lately.
For what it's worth, I'm squarely in the "I don't care, now let me watch my game," camp. Players are free to kneel, and owners are free to fire them for kneeling. I have no particular interest in the protests beyond that, so if I am a pawn, I'm a really bad one.
Telling people how they must act during the anthem. How very land of the free...
(09-24-2017, 06:16 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Telling people how they must act during the anthem. How very land of the free...
Hmm, I wonder if free countries like Australia, England, Canada, etc. also have flag and anthem protocols? How “free” of them!
(09-24-2017, 04:25 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2017, 04:20 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]The message is simple. "We don't like you Mr. Trump. Keep your opinions about the NFL to yourself."
Guys were kneeling before he became president.......try again.
I mean what happened today. With all of the players and coaches and even owners linking arms in unison. Sticking it to Trump, was the message of the day. As far as the kneeling, which started last season, I still don't know what that was about.
A lot of boo's from around the stadiums today because of the kneeling.
Leave them in the locker room during the Anthem. And if they still want to protest, they can take it to social media..
Seeing a lot of Jag fans and season ticket holders on Twitter who will no longer support the team. Good for them.
Khan is a Trump supporter and only did what he did because he didn't want to look bad.
(09-24-2017, 06:34 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2017, 04:25 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Guys were kneeling before he became president.......try again.
I mean what happened today. With all of the players and coaches and even owners linking arms in unison. Sticking it to Trump, was the message of the day. As far as the kneeling, which started last season, I still don't know what that was about.
It was about the false narrative that roving bands of bad cops are murdering innocent black men by the hundreds.
(09-24-2017, 04:25 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2017, 04:20 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]The message is simple. "We don't like you Mr. Trump. Keep your opinions about the NFL to yourself."
Guys were kneeling before he became president.......try again.
And he opened his big mouth and insulted them, again UNSOLICITED, and they chose to tell him today to shut his ignorant mouth.
(09-24-2017, 06:46 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2017, 04:25 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Guys were kneeling before he became president.......try again.
And he opened his big mouth and insulted them, again UNSOLICITED, and they chose to tell him today to shut his ignorant mouth.
So, again I ask. What are they protesting? What is the message?
(09-24-2017, 06:41 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]Seeing a lot of Jag fans and season ticket holders on Twitter who will no longer support the team. Good for them.
Khan is a Trump supporter and only did what he did because he didn't want to look bad.
Or he realized like a lot of people that he got suckered into thinking a decent human being would be in office.
(09-24-2017, 06:48 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2017, 06:46 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ]And he opened his big mouth and insulted them, again UNSOLICITED, and they chose to tell him today to shut his ignorant mouth.
So, again I ask. What are they protesting? What is the message?
So you ask again...............geez.
Read it for yourself. It is freaking all over the place, from PFT to any other football related site.
You have to be willfully oblivious to miss it.
(09-24-2017, 06:37 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]A lot of boo's from around the stadiums today because of the kneeling.
Leave them in the locker room during the Anthem. And if they still want to protest, they can take it to social media..
Or they can do what the rules permit.
The owners statements in support speak for themselves.
Maybe the idiot cheeto can keep his mouth shut when the subject isn't at hand. Just running his idiotic mouth.
Just remember, when you ask yourself how you feel about this, that FOOL caused this to happen, when there was no reason it otherwise would have.
(09-23-2017, 11:02 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ] (09-23-2017, 10:22 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]My bad. I did not mean to infer that standing during the National Anthem was a rule but rather that people condemning those that chose not to stand have the right to condemn them as long as they do so with in the rule of law. With that said, I have seen that the owner of the KC Chiefs has stated that his employees will stand or be fired regardless of who they are. Not sure of how true this is but if that is indeed the case then it is a rule.
Now the Giants, the colts, the seahawks, the Falcons, the 49ers, the Fins, the NFL as a league, MLB players sending a message of RESPECT to the right to express oneself in a peaceful manner.
People who take a common sense view on the fact that police, military, and several other civil servants swear an oath to allow exactly this.
Exactly. I may not agree with it but I support the right to do so.
I have been traveling all day and am just now settling into my hotel. Oddly enough I was thinking about Trumps tweet on my way to the airport. I was hoping every team would do something and I am glad they did. I do not agree nor support those that sit during the anthem and I take personal issue with it but I still support their right to do it.
(09-24-2017, 07:06 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2017, 06:41 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]Seeing a lot of Jag fans and season ticket holders on Twitter who will no longer support the team. Good for them.
Khan is a Trump supporter and only did what he did because he didn't want to look bad.
Or he realized like a lot of people that he got suckered into thinking a decent human being would be in office.
(09-24-2017, 06:48 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]So, again I ask. What are they protesting? What is the message?
So you ask again...............geez.
Read it for yourself. It is freaking all over the place, from PFT to any other football related site.
You have to be willfully oblivious to miss it.
(09-24-2017, 06:37 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]A lot of boo's from around the stadiums today because of the kneeling.
Leave them in the locker room during the Anthem. And if they still want to protest, they can take it to social media..
Or they can do what the rules permit.
The owners statements in support speak for themselves.
Maybe the idiot cheeto can keep his mouth shut when the subject isn't at hand. Just running his idiotic mouth.
Just remember, when you ask yourself how you feel about this, that FOOL caused this to happen, when there was no reason it otherwise would have.
Devil's advocate here: players were kneeling before Trump.
(09-24-2017, 06:33 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2017, 06:16 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Telling people how they must act during the anthem. How very land of the free...
Hmm, I wonder if free countries like Australia, England, Canada, etc. also have flag and anthem protocols? How “free” of them!
No can't say this would be a big deal elsewhere as long as it is respectful. I could sit down and eat a hot dog during the anthem here. Maybe more secure it's a different culture.