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(11-12-2017, 09:02 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2017, 09:01 PM)atburg Wrote: [ -> ]I never said anything about the pass! You said there was no running game to help Marcus , which was incorrect. They had 182 on the ground today.

Take 53 yards from Mariota and they barely cracked 100 plus. This game wasnt even won ln the ground. The run game was about as bad as the Jaguars run despite the stats.

So we go back to taking away numbers again? So his 51 rushing yards are kind of like the 2 10 sack games, take them away and its not so good. I think I follow you.

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(11-12-2017, 09:05 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2017, 09:02 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ]Take 53 yards from Mariota and they barely cracked 100 plus. This game wasnt even won ln the ground. The run game was about as bad as the Jaguars run despite the stats.

(11-12-2017, 09:02 PM)atburg Wrote: [ -> ]Those are great numbers compared to the 13/11 pace Mariota is on.

Take the Mariota talk here:

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=24229

Sorry, let him get under my skin.

Top of AFC South, and you are still whinning. When he leaves and wins multiple Super bowls you are gong to be sorry as you sit at #3 in the AFC South standings, where you were pre-Bortles.

(11-12-2017, 07:27 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2017, 07:12 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]He's been better than I thought he'd be this year while also showing he's still not the guy long term.

I would agree. 

His decision making has grown but he’s still not consistently accurate. Usually, the farther the ball travels the worse it gets.

(11-12-2017, 08:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2017, 07:12 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]He's been better than I thought he'd be this year while also showing he's still not the guy long term.

Yeah.  This ^ 

Still pulling for him, and I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but still just a few too many of the same mistakes. 

Very happy that he's stepped it up to this level, though.

Definitely made progression as a young QB and looks totally different to last year. Confidence is much better.  

I can see a world where Bortles is a startable QB for years and years but is never good enough to truly lead a team. Hopefully we still go after a top QB this offseason.

(11-12-2017, 09:16 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2017, 07:27 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]I would agree. 

His decision making has grown but he’s still not consistently accurate. Usually, the farther the ball travels the worse it gets.

(11-12-2017, 08:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah.  This ^ 

Still pulling for him, and I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but still just a few too many of the same mistakes. 

Very happy that he's stepped it up to this level, though.

Definitely made progression as a young QB and looks totally different to last year. Confidence is much better.  

I can see a world where Bortles is a startable QB for years and years but is never good enough to truly lead a team. Hopefully we still go after a top QB this offseason.

Couple of those types faced off in the Jets / Bucs game.

(11-12-2017, 09:16 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2017, 07:27 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]I would agree. 

His decision making has grown but he’s still not consistently accurate. Usually, the farther the ball travels the worse it gets.

(11-12-2017, 08:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah.  This ^ 

Still pulling for him, and I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but still just a few too many of the same mistakes. 

Very happy that he's stepped it up to this level, though.

Definitely made progression as a young QB and looks totally different to last year. Confidence is much better.  

I can see a world where Bortles is a startable QB for years and years but is never good enough to truly lead a team. Hopefully we still go after a top QB this offseason.

Rudolph sure would be nice in this offense

(11-12-2017, 08:52 PM)atburg Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2017, 08:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. 

Gotta just pony up on that 5th year option and draft a guy early.  Then pray the kid either pushes Blake over the top or clearly outperforms him.

I'm hoping we get a good receiver in round 1 , QB in 2. I agree, he needs to be pushed forward or over.

That won't happen. It's gonna be OL, OL, WR, Defensive player, Then QB 5-7

(11-12-2017, 09:35 PM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2017, 08:52 PM)atburg Wrote: [ -> ]I'm hoping we get a good receiver in round 1 , QB in 2. I agree, he needs to be pushed forward or over.

That won't happen. It's gonna be OL, OL, WR, Defensive player, Then QB 5-7

Im pulling for him, I really am, but no way a defensive player goes before a quarterback.

(11-12-2017, 09:35 PM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2017, 08:52 PM)atburg Wrote: [ -> ]I'm hoping we get a good receiver in round 1 , QB in 2. I agree, he needs to be pushed forward or over.

That won't happen. It's gonna be OL, OL, WR, Defensive player, Then QB 5-7

As long as we already signed Kirk I’d be okay with that

(11-12-2017, 09:04 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2017, 09:00 PM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ]Troll. Tebow won a playoff game on the same year he had 1,790 passing yards, with 12 TD-6 TD-InT ratio. Shows your football knowledge.

He didn't start till week 6.  They were 1-4 when he took over and then he led them to the play offs and a victory against the Steelers in which he had 316 yards passing and 2 TDs.  Tebow got shafted by the league because he was an outspoken christian.

My take TTR.  

The playoff TD in over time was a quick pass that the receiver made and turned into a TD.  

I have watched many of tebows games and Marriotta and honestly in college Tebow was lucky to be surrounded by talent.   Harvin was a beast and can go on and on.   

Marriotta beat Florida state.  Throwing the ball all over and was the ducks life perserver.  Tebow was not the Gators. 

Plus did you watch the games.  Prior to quarter 4.  What was Tebows completed pass percentage?   I seen at least 4 games.  He was what like 4-19?  

Tebow was not an NFL QB.  

Now as far at Marrigoat picking on Blake.   Look you all got lucky.  You won't beat us again.  This is not 1999.  Outside of your run game your QB has nothing.  Ya best receiver is a rookie.  Ya have one TE and nothing.  

Ya D is not great either.  So its picking on Blake when ya QB has health concerns is a mute point.

I have never denied being one of Bortles' biggest critics, but he has impressed me this season so far and is making me think hard about my previous stance of parting ways with him after the season. He showed some real heart yesterday. You don't see many QB's diving head first into an approaching secondary trying to pick up a 1st down. 

On one hand, he did throw some TERRIBLE interceptions yesterday, but at the same time, it is hard to blame him after the coaching staff completely abandoned the run with a makeshift garbage offensive line and against 2 of the best pass rushers in the NFL (don't get me started on the coaches), you can't help but be impressed how Bortles handled himself yesterday.

I think Bortles has intangibles like pocket awareness and durability that you can't ignore when making a decision on whether to keep him around. He is only 25 years old. I want to see what he can do with a better than average offensive line and a more athletic safety blanket TE.

(11-13-2017, 09:46 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I have never denied being one of Bortles' biggest critics, but he has impressed me this season so far and is making me think hard about my previous stance of parting ways with him after the season. He showed some real heart yesterday. You don't see many QB's diving head first into an approaching secondary trying to pick up a 1st down. 

On one hand, he did throw some TERRIBLE interceptions yesterday, but at the same time, it is hard to blame him after the coaching staff completely abandoned the run with a makeshift garbage offensive line and against 2 of the best pass rushers in the NFL (don't get me started on the coaches), you can't help but be impressed how Bortles handled himself yesterday.

I think Bortles has intangibles like pocket awareness and durability that you can't ignore when making a decision on whether to keep him around. He is only 25 years old. I want to see what he can do with a better than average offensive line and a more athletic safety blanket TE.

The same coaches that have this team at 6-3 with the best defense in the league? Oh yea... they're terrible.

But on the Bortles topic, he's still the same guy. Chargers dropped how many interceptions? Jags needed him to step up and he threw 2 interceptions in the last 2 minutes. If it weren't for this defense creating 2 timely turnovers, Jags don't win this game.

Jags are gonna need Blake to be great in crunch time to win some playoff games. Are we sure he can do that?

(11-13-2017, 09:51 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-13-2017, 09:46 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I have never denied being one of Bortles' biggest critics, but he has impressed me this season so far and is making me think hard about my previous stance of parting ways with him after the season. He showed some real heart yesterday. You don't see many QB's diving head first into an approaching secondary trying to pick up a 1st down. 

On one hand, he did throw some TERRIBLE interceptions yesterday, but at the same time, it is hard to blame him after the coaching staff completely abandoned the run with a makeshift garbage offensive line and against 2 of the best pass rushers in the NFL (don't get me started on the coaches), you can't help but be impressed how Bortles handled himself yesterday.

I think Bortles has intangibles like pocket awareness and durability that you can't ignore when making a decision on whether to keep him around. He is only 25 years old. I want to see what he can do with a better than average offensive line and a more athletic safety blanket TE.

The same coaches that have this team at 6-3 with the best defense in the league? Oh yea... they're terrible.

But on the Bortles topic, he's still the same guy. Chargers dropped how many interceptions? Jags needed him to step up and he threw 2 interceptions in the last 2 minutes. If it weren't for this defense creating 2 timely turnovers, Jags don't win this game.

Jags are gonna need Blake to be great in crunch time to win some playoff games. Are we sure he can do that?

C'mon Cleatwood. The same coaches who had 3 timeouts left with a minute left in the half and didn't even TRY to get in FG range. It is hard to deny the coaching and game plan yesterday wasn't garbage and we won in spite of it.

(11-13-2017, 09:46 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I have never denied being one of Bortles' biggest critics, but he has impressed me this season so far and is making me think hard about my previous stance of parting ways with him after the season. He showed some real heart yesterday. You don't see many QB's diving head first into an approaching secondary trying to pick up a 1st down. 

On one hand, he did throw some TERRIBLE interceptions yesterday, but at the same time, it is hard to blame him after the coaching staff completely abandoned the run with a makeshift garbage offensive line and against 2 of the best pass rushers in the NFL (don't get me started on the coaches), you can't help but be impressed how Bortles handled himself yesterday.

I think Bortles has intangibles like pocket awareness and durability that you can't ignore when making a decision on whether to keep him around. He is only 25 years old. I want to see what he can do with a better than average offensive line and a more athletic safety blanket TE.

I completely agree with you. He dropped a couple of dimes to Lewis and I can't remember which receiver, that were dropped. Either of those get caught and it's a different game. Granted a ton of things could have happened that would have made that game a different game, but overall I think Bortles tried his butt off, and is very durable.

(11-13-2017, 09:53 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-13-2017, 09:51 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]The same coaches that have this team at 6-3 with the best defense in the league? Oh yea... they're terrible.

But on the Bortles topic, he's still the same guy. Chargers dropped how many interceptions? Jags needed him to step up and he threw 2 interceptions in the last 2 minutes. If it weren't for this defense creating 2 timely turnovers, Jags don't win this game.

Jags are gonna need Blake to be great in crunch time to win some playoff games. Are we sure he can do that?

C'mon Cleatwood. The same coaches who had 3 timeouts left with a minute left in the half and didn't even TRY to get in FG range. It is hard to deny the coaching and game plan yesterday wasn't garbage and we won in spite of it.

Coaches may have had a bad game but this team is 6-3. You don't get there with bad coaching.

(11-13-2017, 09:54 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-13-2017, 09:53 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]C'mon Cleatwood. The same coaches who had 3 timeouts left with a minute left in the half and didn't even TRY to get in FG range. It is hard to deny the coaching and game plan yesterday wasn't garbage and we won in spite of it.

Coaches may have had a bad game but this team is 6-3. You don't get there with bad coaching.

Without derailing the thread, I am not implying Marrone is a "bad" coach overall, but yesterday was a weird day as far as game planning. Abandoning the run against a team with 2 of the best DE's in the NFL with a makeshift line doesn't make a lot of sense.

Final thought on coaches. the ST coach probably isn't getting any cards from Marrone for Xmas. It seems like every extra point is blocked or nearly blocked these days. Not sure if its a personnel thing or coaching thing.

I think this is what we'll always get with Bortles. I don't think it is the kind of QB play that gives you long sustaining success but it may be worth the gamble to the FO... IDK...
Yeah, we love the fight and the heart of Bortles. He dove head first trying to get that first down I was fist pumping him... and then on a couple throws I was smacking my head. Before he threw the 2 INTs at the end of the game he had another 1-2 possible INTs. He has a drive like that TD drive in the 3rd... and then he'll have some really bad ones.

I was ready to pile on Bortles for being awful today. I really was... but I took a moment to realize, he was under duress from play 1. The OL didn't pass pro or run block as well as it has been. Early on, he was throwing balls away and throwing them at the feet of guys when the play wasn't there... toward the end it seemed like he was forcing it trying to make something happen, which is understandable since we were down and losing time.
Hack called a lot of passes, and Fournette barely played in the 4th... I'm gonna pump the brakes on piling on Bortles for this game... it was a tough one. But even still, this was the perfect game for Bortles to quiet all the questions, all the "haters"... He didn't do that, imo.

(11-13-2017, 09:59 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I think this is what we'll always get with Bortles. I don't think it is the kind of QB play that gives you long sustaining success but it may be worth the gamble to the FO... IDK...
Yeah, we love the fight and the heart of Bortles. He dove head first trying to get that first down I was fist pumping him... and then on a couple throws I was smacking my head. Before he threw the 2 INTs at the end of the game he had another 1-2 possible INTs. He has a drive like that TD drive in the 3rd... and then he'll have some really bad ones.

I was ready to pile on Bortles for being awful today. I really was... but I took a moment to realize, he was under duress from play 1. The OL didn't pass pro or run block as well as it has been. Early on, he was throwing balls away and throwing them at the feet of guys when the play wasn't there... toward the end it seemed like he was forcing it trying to make something happen, which is understandable since we were down and losing time.
Hack called a lot of passes, and Fournette barely played in the 4th... I'm gonna pump the brakes on piling on Bortles for this game... it was a tough one. But even still, this was the perfect game for Bortles to quiet all the questions, all the "haters"... He didn't do that, imo.

Bortles definitely played with gut and heart yesterday. He was harassed by Ingram and Bosa and absolutely make some key throws while avoiding the rush.

But the fact remains, he threw 2 interceptions in the final 2 minutes...... That can't happen. He had numerous throws dropped for what would have been an interception or a pick 6. 

I am in now way implying he's terrible and that he should be benched but to think the QB position can't be improved in the off season is  wrong.

Yesterday was a chance for Blake to show the guys "Look, when the game is on the line and you need a score, you can count on me." Well, can you?

(11-13-2017, 09:57 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-13-2017, 09:54 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Coaches may have had a bad game but this team is 6-3. You don't get there with bad coaching.

Without derailing the thread, I am not implying Marrone is a "bad" coach overall, but yesterday was a weird day as far as game planning. Abandoning the run against a team with 2 of the best DE's in the NFL with a makeshift line doesn't make a lot of sense.

I really think they had to take the lesser of two evils approach when they switched to the pass because the run wasn't going anywhere. 

The run game was not working at all due to:
Cam playing hurt 
Omameh playing hurt / Shatley taking over 
Cann playing hurt
Wells at RT 
Fournette clearly not 100% - or re-injured
bolts stacking the box and doing a really good job of it
Perryman was firing gaps like a mad man

I just think they tried to make it work and they couldn't.  They did call quite a lot of "short stuff" to keep Bortles from holding the ball too long under pressure at least. 

I'm glad they were able to overcome mistakes and injuries and win anyway. That's new around here. 

Bortles - as is often the case - contributed to the good and the bad - but now they can still pull out a win with a bit of the bad mixed in.

^ This.

The run game was practically abandoned due to those factors, you're exactly right. 

I was listening to the radio broadcast at half and early 3rd qtr. Boselli was going on about how the Chargers defense was stacking the box and playing only man coverage on the outside. He was saying that the Jags should start throwing out there because of that. 

Then, the Jags came out in the 3rd and did just that. You gotta give the coaches a ton of credit for seeing/adjusting/and doing it. The Jags drove down the field on almost exclusive passing and scored. 

The Jags Oline was a mess yesterday. And, Gus Bradley has seen enough Bortles and this year's film of the running game to gameplan a sound defensive plan. He stacked the box and put it on Bortles. You can't blame Gus and the Chargers for that. 

Also agree about Bortles having both the good and bad. He looked good when they adjusted and threw the ball for that drive in the 3rd. But, when crunch time came,, oh boy. The TV announcers blasted him for both INTs talking about how terrible the decisions were. They were right. 

However, with this defense, the sky's the limit. They are special,, and may be considered elite right now. 
(They only allowed 7 total points in 2 games vs both Indy and Cincy,, WOW!). And, we saw yesterday that even when things look bleak,, they can take over and steal a victory. 

I also agree with Cleatwood: 
When the game is in the line and you need Bortles to come through in the clutch,, can he do it?

That's still an open question from what we saw yesterday.

I will give Bortles some credit:

He is absolutely tough as nails. He also has become better this year at stepping up and through the pocket this year when pressured instead of trying to loop back and around it like he used to often.

His 3rd qtr drive was excellent.

Yesterday was also probably the best he’s thrown the deep ball in 2017. He was legitimately inches away from throwing 2-3 more TDs.

If he had, we’d be looking at him completely different today. Part of that though, is I feel like a lot of the issues connecting on those passes are the receivers not knowing what to expect from his throws. Here’s hoping they can find some consistency and production there.