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Adding to the conversation: the most recent example of something like this is Denver. They went after Manning (at minimum top 5 greatest qb all time) because they knew he was capable of winning with that roster. In 4 years they got 4 playoff appearances, 2 super bowl appearances and 1 ring. That’s with arguably a top 5 qb, him having a full compliment of weapons and a stacked defense. Y’all think Cousins is gonna do that here?
To add insult to injury, the year Manning retired guess what, they lost players in Ward, Trevathan and Jackson (why do y’all think we have a pro bowl, super bowl winning DT on the team now). I get the angst over wanting to up grade Blake, I really do but I want long term sustainable success. Not a swing for the fence for 2 years. We can have years of milk and honey or try to get it all now and then end up with nothing and back to mediocrity at best.
I mean sheesh look at Denver. They had instant success and now they are back in the gutter. This would be a huge Gamble on a guy like Cousins who is no where near the player Ole big head was.
(02-02-2018, 01:34 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]Man what have y’all witnessed Cousins do to be ready to possibly not sign Jalen or Yannick in a year or two? The guys is above average at best. He is better but not 11 million dollars better. I’m a so happen this board is not making decisions for this team.
On another’s notes Coughlin played against the guy twice a year. He would know him inside and out, flaws and all. If he decides to go after him then I’ll support it but all indications are that he’s not and that should be a signal to you. Coughlin knows qbs. He’s rolling with Blake and that should give you solace. I know Coughlin left egg on a lot a folks faces after this season lol.
You still don't get it do you?
They can sign Cousins AND STILL SIGN YANNICK AND JALEN DOWN THE ROAD.
Before the season the never-Blake crowd was calling for Henne to start. Is that still an option for 2018? Maybe don't need to worry about Cousins.
(02-02-2018, 01:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2018, 01:34 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]Man what have y’all witnessed Cousins do to be ready to possibly not sign Jalen or Yannick in a year or two? The guys is above average at best. He is better but not 11 million dollars better. I’m a so happen this board is not making decisions for this team.
On another’s notes Coughlin played against the guy twice a year. He would know him inside and out, flaws and all. If he decides to go after him then I’ll support it but all indications are that he’s not and that should be a signal to you. Coughlin knows qbs. He’s rolling with Blake and that should give you solace. I know Coughlin left egg on a lot a folks faces after this season lol.
You still don't get it do you?
They can sign Cousins AND STILL SIGN YANNICK AND JALEN DOWN THE ROAD.
Or that if Blake takes the leap forward they want/expect then HE'LL GET JUST AS MUCH MONEY AS COUSINS NEXT YEAR. There is no angle from which that argument makes sense.
(02-02-2018, 02:02 PM)jagsfan1983 Wrote: [ -> ]Before the season the never-Blake crowd was calling for Henne to start. Is that still an option for 2018? Maybe don't need to worry about Cousins.
Not Henne, but I have said that if they are that petrified that a big salary QB is going to cost us our defense later then we should simply sign McCown or Hoyer for 5 million. McCown just had a nice season with worse weapons and oline than the Jags have, and he can hit drags/screens/dump offs plenty easily too.
Lol y’all don’t get it. Cousins isn’t worth 30 plus. Cousins will get over paid because he will be a free against actually going into unrestricted free agency. Blake will not get that much money unless he actually turns into a top 3 qb. I’m not sure how y’all arent understanding this. Just because he would play out his option doesn’t mean the next contract he gets will him the highest paid qb lol. That’s not how that works. He is on the team and the team would have franchise tags, transition tags they could use to eventually iron out a deal that works for both sides and that slots him in the range he actually is. Stanford really is a top 5 qb so he got paid top 5 money. Cousins is gonna get over paid because he will be a free agent and thats what happens in free agency. That is the difference and when free agency starts you guys will see the ungodly amount he will get and then say to yourself “yeah we were gonna have to lose Ramsey or Yannick to get him”
What Cousins did, no one in their right mind would do.... basket case
He actually called the Redskins bluff and played on the franchise tag 2 times. In that time frame he did nothing lol but he managed to stay healthy and look like a competent qb. Nothing amazing but look like he can the position. Well the Redskins were gonna have to pay him something stupid like 43 million dollars guaranteed for 1 year and then still lose him or make a move now. Cousins played the game and won and will now cash in. That’s is why he is getting 30 million plus. It’s not because he is a top 5 qb he just finessed the redskins.
He will cost more than you think and it most likely won’t work out well for the team that picks him. Remember, free agency is usually a crap shot. We got super luck this year. Y’all think that’s gonna happen again?
(02-02-2018, 02:04 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2018, 01:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]You still don't get it do you?
They can sign Cousins AND STILL SIGN YANNICK AND JALEN DOWN THE ROAD.
Or that if Blake takes the leap forward they want/expect then HE'LL GET JUST AS MUCH MONEY AS COUSINS NEXT YEAR. There is no angle from which that argument makes sense.
If BB5 makes the leap forward next year they dont have to PAY AS MUCH MONEY AS COUSINS they can franchise him and see if he makes another leap to where he is worth paying the big money.
That's going to be ~25 million for a QB franchise tag in 2019. It's totally worth risking a year of our championship caliber window to save a few million. We can maybe sign a backup right guard with all that savings!
If Coughlin deems it the best move I will shut up and support it. This front office has my full confidence. But my current stance is he is not worth 30 million plus. Now if he wanna come here for 19-22 million then I’m for that lol.
I’ve just seen this story before. “All we need is him” “Give him a blank check”
Then we win 5 games. Let’s just be smart and rationally think about the future of the franchise so we can see some long term success
(02-02-2018, 02:13 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]Lol y’all don’t get it. Cousins isn’t worth 30 plus. Cousins will get over paid because he will be a free against actually going into unrestricted free agency. Blake will not get that much money unless he actually turns into a top 3 qb. I’m not sure how y’all arent understanding this. Just because he would play out his option doesn’t mean the next contract he gets will him the highest paid qb lol. That’s not how that works. He is on the team and the team would have franchise tags, transition tags they could use to eventually iron out a deal that works for both sides and that slots him in the range he actually is. Stanford really is a top 5 qb so he got paid top 5 money. Cousins is gonna get over paid because he will be a free agent and thats what happens in free agency. That is the difference and when free agency starts you guys will see the ungodly amount he will get and then say to yourself “yeah we were gonna have to lose Ramsey or Yannick to get him”
What Cousins did, no one in their right mind would do.... basket case
He actually called the Redskins bluff and played on the franchise tag 2 times. In that time frame he did nothing lol but he managed to stay healthy and look like a competent qb. Nothing amazing but look like he can the position. Well the Redskins were gonna have to pay him something stupid like 43 million dollars guaranteed for 1 year and then still lose him or make a move now. Cousins played the game and won and will now cash in. That’s is why he is getting 30 million plus. It’s not because he is a top 5 qb he just finessed the redskins.
He will cost more than you think and it most likely won’t work out well for the team that picks him. Remember, free agency is usually a crap shot. We got super luck this year. Y’all think that’s gonna happen again?
Dude. You're all over the place with your thoughts. They make less sense than a TTR post.
You can sign Cousins and ARob without risking anything for the future. Yannick will get paid no matter what. Ramsey will be paid no matter what. Also, no one is really saying Cousins is worth 30 million but that's what it takes to sign a QB. If Blake has a great season, he's going to be paid at minimum 25 million in 2019. QBs cost a lot of money.
(02-02-2018, 02:47 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2018, 02:13 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]Lol y’all don’t get it. Cousins isn’t worth 30 plus. Cousins will get over paid because he will be a free against actually going into unrestricted free agency. Blake will not get that much money unless he actually turns into a top 3 qb. I’m not sure how y’all arent understanding this. Just because he would play out his option doesn’t mean the next contract he gets will him the highest paid qb lol. That’s not how that works. He is on the team and the team would have franchise tags, transition tags they could use to eventually iron out a deal that works for both sides and that slots him in the range he actually is. Stanford really is a top 5 qb so he got paid top 5 money. Cousins is gonna get over paid because he will be a free agent and thats what happens in free agency. That is the difference and when free agency starts you guys will see the ungodly amount he will get and then say to yourself “yeah we were gonna have to lose Ramsey or Yannick to get him”
What Cousins did, no one in their right mind would do.... basket case
He actually called the Redskins bluff and played on the franchise tag 2 times. In that time frame he did nothing lol but he managed to stay healthy and look like a competent qb. Nothing amazing but look like he can the position. Well the Redskins were gonna have to pay him something stupid like 43 million dollars guaranteed for 1 year and then still lose him or make a move now. Cousins played the game and won and will now cash in. That’s is why he is getting 30 million plus. It’s not because he is a top 5 qb he just finessed the redskins.
He will cost more than you think and it most likely won’t work out well for the team that picks him. Remember, free agency is usually a crap shot. We got super luck this year. Y’all think that’s gonna happen again?
Dude. You're all over the place with your thoughts. They make less sense than a TTR post.
You can sign Cousins and ARob without risking anything for the future. Yannick will get paid no matter what. Ramsey will be paid no matter what. Also, no one is really saying Cousins is worth 30 million but that's what it takes to sign a QB. If Blake has a great season, he's going to be paid at minimum 25 million in 2019. QBs cost a lot of money.
Lol alright bro you are right. I hope we make him the highest paid qb and we keep Ramsey Robinson and Yannick on multi year deals too
Cousins has hit his ceiling. Is he going to be 30 this year?
Blake Bortles is progressing.... - has he hit his ceiling?
(02-02-2018, 08:16 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2018, 02:15 AM)I\m Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Best case scenario Bortles takes another step and then becomes very expensive himself after one year and we're in the exact same situation we would be in with Cousins. Best is not actually any better. Any other scenario is worse. There isn't a scenario that's better than just signing Cousins now. (Ok fine there is one, we draft a QB who 28 teams pass on at least once who in year two immediately becomes a franchise QB capable of cheaply leading a team to a super bowl...obviously very very unlikely).
Yeah. Drafting a QB as good as - or better than Bortles is probably impossible. It would be like landing a pro bowl DE in the third or a second team all-pro LB in the fifth.
Probably shouldn't even try, huh?
Just draft a damn QB.
If he's no good, draft another one next year.
And what if we end up like the Jets and get a bunch of Geno Smith's, Hackenburg, Petty, etc. We never find a QB solution and we waste this defense?
It's a big gamble hoping Blake takes another step and/or we can draft a QB that ends up being the guy.
This year was the perfect storm. We lost ARob, but no major injuries outside of that all year. Played the 25th ranked schedule in the season and two division rivals lost their QBs for the season.
Unlike franchise mode or fantasy football... Teams are dynamic and every year is different. You have to be disciplined and have a core philosophy but you can't let the future impact your goals in a single year. Don't let the current salary cap numbers bog down your thinking either. Just because it is reported we are 20 Million under the cap don't expect that number to stay the same. They could do all sorts of things that wouldn't ruin the future.
Mercedes is 3.5 million
Nortman is 2.25 million
Ivory is 5.5 millions
Throw in some Bortles 19 million and do you really think Cousins would be a problem? I don't see this team swinging for the fences. We shall see.
(02-02-2018, 02:55 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2018, 08:16 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. Drafting a QB as good as - or better than Bortles is probably impossible. It would be like landing a pro bowl DE in the third or a second team all-pro LB in the fifth.
Probably shouldn't even try, huh?
Just draft a damn QB.
If he's no good, draft another one next year.
And what if we end up like the Jets and get a bunch of Geno Smith's, Hackenburg, Petty, etc. We never find a QB solution and we waste this defense?
It's a big gamble hoping Blake takes another step and/or we can draft a QB that ends up being the guy.
This year was the perfect storm. We lost ARob, but no major injuries outside of that all year. Played the 25th ranked schedule in the season and two division rivals lost their QBs for the season.
I have more confidence in Caldwell/Coughlin drafting a guy that doesn't suck than them drafting a string of inferior QBs than you do. I also think the current coaching staff will analyze 2017 and then improve this offense a bit next year even with Bortles behind center.
I don't see as much risk in this approach as many here apparently.
(02-02-2018, 01:47 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]Adding to the conversation: the most recent example of something like this is Denver. They went after Manning (at minimum top 5 greatest qb all time) because they knew he was capable of winning with that roster. In 4 years they got 4 playoff appearances, 2 super bowl appearances and 1 ring. That’s with arguably a top 5 qb, him having a full compliment of weapons and a stacked defense. Y’all think Cousins is gonna do that here?
To add insult to injury, the year Manning retired guess what, they lost players in Ward, Trevathan and Jackson (why do y’all think we have a pro bowl, super bowl winning DT on the team now). I get the angst over wanting to up grade Blake, I really do but I want long term sustainable success. Not a swing for the fence for 2 years. We can have years of milk and honey or try to get it all now and then end up with nothing and back to mediocrity at best.
I mean sheesh look at Denver. They had instant success and now they are back in the gutter. This would be a huge Gamble on a guy like Cousins who is no where near the player Ole big head was.
I dont understand this argument? We will have to pay Bortles next year and if glennon got 15 Bortles can get 20+ a year...
(02-02-2018, 02:49 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Cousins has hit his ceiling. Is he going to be 30 this year?
Blake Bortles is progressing.... - has he hit his ceiling?
Probably yes to both.
Bortles could get more consistent though.
(02-02-2018, 04:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2018, 02:55 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ]And what if we end up like the Jets and get a bunch of Geno Smith's, Hackenburg, Petty, etc. We never find a QB solution and we waste this defense?
It's a big gamble hoping Blake takes another step and/or we can draft a QB that ends up being the guy.
This year was the perfect storm. We lost ARob, but no major injuries outside of that all year. Played the 25th ranked schedule in the season and two division rivals lost their QBs for the season.
I have more confidence in Caldwell/Coughlin drafting a guy that doesn't suck than them drafting a string of inferior QBs than you do. I also think the current coaching staff will analyze 2017 and then improve this offense a bit next year even with Bortles behind center.
I don't see as much risk in this approach as many here apparently.
And a draft pick could actually sit and learn for a year. If Blake flames out, the kid would have had a year to get ready. If Blake takes another step in the right direction, we will hopefully have a nice insurance policy.
(02-02-2018, 05:51 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2018, 01:47 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]Adding to the conversation: the most recent example of something like this is Denver. They went after Manning (at minimum top 5 greatest qb all time) because they knew he was capable of winning with that roster. In 4 years they got 4 playoff appearances, 2 super bowl appearances and 1 ring. That’s with arguably a top 5 qb, him having a full compliment of weapons and a stacked defense. Y’all think Cousins is gonna do that here?
To add insult to injury, the year Manning retired guess what, they lost players in Ward, Trevathan and Jackson (why do y’all think we have a pro bowl, super bowl winning DT on the team now). I get the angst over wanting to up grade Blake, I really do but I want long term sustainable success. Not a swing for the fence for 2 years. We can have years of milk and honey or try to get it all now and then end up with nothing and back to mediocrity at best.
I mean sheesh look at Denver. They had instant success and now they are back in the gutter. This would be a huge Gamble on a guy like Cousins who is no where near the player Ole big head was.
I dont understand this argument? We will have to pay Bortles next year and if glennon got 15 Bortles can get 20+ a year...
It's more of a precursor to what we should expect. We've seen this same situation plyay out with manning in 2013. They went to the playoffs 4 times with 2 super bowl appearances and 1 championship. After that four year run they now suck and even had to lose players in the process. We have a defense just as good as theirs, prolly better running backs but less talent at receiver. So the question I'm asking is do we think Cousins will produce at minimum what Manning produced in Denver possibly over a 2-3 year stretch before we start losing guys?
We made the Afc championship game without him so he would have to win a ring at least by year two to justify his contract and us potentially losing dynamic defensive pieces. Basically do you think he is that good based on what you've seen from him this far?
At this point I'm burnt out on this argument lol. I have my thoughts and others have theirs. I'm glad Coughlin is running the show and I have full confidence in whatever he decides to do either way.
This whole argument is what it would be like if Gus went 7-9 one season.
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