(02-01-2018, 12:16 AM)temporaryname Wrote: [ -> ]Some people want change just for the sake of change. Little to no thought and skewing stats to fit their agendas seem to be the norm. Bortles could have a year end passer rating of 128 and people would still find fault with his game play.
So True. They are the madden generation that want a QB to throw for 5000 yards have a 100% completions percetage with 35/0 TD/INT ratio. I know i have said BB5 is better then some great players at the same point in their carreer like Big Ben and Alex Smith and Eli. Well i don't think stats tell the whole picture but some ppl are stuck on them so i went a different direction and i actually had never looked at this before but was amazed at the results and how similar they are. Below are 2 sets of stats. And look closely at them. 1 is Tom Brady in his 4th year. The other is Blake Bortles in his 4th year. It bogels the mind why some ppl think he is not any good or below average.
G Att Com Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Td% Int Int% 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
16 527 317 60.2 32.9 3,620 6.9 226.2 23 4.4 12 2.3 44 8 32 219 85.9
16 523 315 60.2 32.7 3,687 7.0 230.4 21 4.0 13 2.5 41 7 24 123 84.7
If you didnt figure it out Tom Brady is the top stats BB5 is the bottom. Simply amazing ppl want to get rid of him.
(02-01-2018, 10:55 AM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 12:16 AM)temporaryname Wrote: [ -> ]Some people want change just for the sake of change. Little to no thought and skewing stats to fit their agendas seem to be the norm. Bortles could have a year end passer rating of 128 and people would still find fault with his game play.
So True. They are the madden generation that want a QB to throw for 5000 yards have a 100% completions percetage with 35/0 TD/INT ratio. I know i have said BB5 is better then some great players at the same point in their carreer like Big Ben and Alex Smith and Eli. Well i don't think stats tell the whole picture but some ppl are stuck on them so i went a different direction and i actually had never looked at this before but was amazed at the results and how similar they are. Below are 2 sets of stats. And look closely at them. 1 is Tom Brady in his 4th year. The other is Blake Bortles in his 4th year. It bogels the mind why some ppl think he is not any good or below average.
G Att Com Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Td% Int Int% 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
16 527 317 60.2 32.9 3,620 6.9 226.2 23 4.4 12 2.3 44 8 32 219 85.9
16 523 315 60.2 32.7 3,687 7.0 230.4 21 4.0 13 2.5 41 7 24 123 84.7
If you didnt figure it out Tom Brady is the top stats BB5 is the bottom. Simply amazing ppl want to get rid of him.
That's great.
However, I think you're missing the point. No one is saying Blake can't improve but what are the odds he improves dramatically? The Jags need consistency. They had a historically great defense with the starting 11 missing 1 game the whole season. The defense scored 8 TDs. They need someone at QB who can consistently sustain drives and move the offense. Maybe that's Blake but maybe it's not.
@gregcosell: “It’s very evident to me watching tape, Nathaniel Hackett by his concepts and play calling, he was playing to limit Bortles exposure”
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Like I have been saying, the team didn't trust Blake.
(02-01-2018, 12:04 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]@gregcosell: “It’s very evident to me watching tape, Nathaniel Hackett by his concepts and play calling, he was playing to limit Bortles exposure”
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Like I have been saying, the team didn't trust Blake.
So greg cosell who is mostly wrong most the time speaks for the team now? Got it.
(02-01-2018, 12:08 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 12:04 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]@gregcosell: “It’s very evident to me watching tape, Nathaniel Hackett by his concepts and play calling, he was playing to limit Bortles exposure”
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Like I have been saying, the team didn't trust Blake.
So greg cosell who is mostly wrong most the time speaks for the team now? Got it.
He doesn' have to speak for the team. It was quite obvious.
(02-01-2018, 12:42 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 12:08 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]So greg cosell who is mostly wrong most the time speaks for the team now? Got it.
He doesn' have to speak for the team. It was quite obvious.
Know your hate for Blake is quite obvious and the quicker you can stop this Crusade or replacing him the better off you will be because the team is keeping him overall.
(02-01-2018, 10:55 AM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 12:16 AM)temporaryname Wrote: [ -> ]Some people want change just for the sake of change. Little to no thought and skewing stats to fit their agendas seem to be the norm. Bortles could have a year end passer rating of 128 and people would still find fault with his game play.
So True. They are the madden generation that want a QB to throw for 5000 yards have a 100% completions percetage with 35/0 TD/INT ratio. I know i have said BB5 is better then some great players at the same point in their carreer like Big Ben and Alex Smith and Eli. Well i don't think stats tell the whole picture but some ppl are stuck on them so i went a different direction and i actually had never looked at this before but was amazed at the results and how similar they are. Below are 2 sets of stats. And look closely at them. 1 is Tom Brady in his 4th year. The other is Blake Bortles in his 4th year. It bogels the mind why some ppl think he is not any good or below average.
G Att Com Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Td% Int Int% 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
16 527 317 60.2 32.9 3,620 6.9 226.2 23 4.4 12 2.3 44 8 32 219 85.9
16 523 315 60.2 32.7 3,687 7.0 230.4 21 4.0 13 2.5 41 7 24 123 84.7
If you didnt figure it out Tom Brady is the top stats BB5 is the bottom. Simply amazing ppl want to get rid of him.
You have got to be kidding comparing Tom Brady's stats in 2004/05 to now. The rules where way different. Back then like only 1 player a year would have 4k yards and be the yardage leader. Now its a down year if only 7 or 8 do. Bump and run was still a thing, hand checking etc. Not to mention Brady was, and is clutch, and had no problem making the easy pass. Comparing Blake to QB's stats from before 2006 is really disingenuous. Roger Goodell has changed the rules drastically.
(02-01-2018, 12:42 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 12:08 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]So greg cosell who is mostly wrong most the time speaks for the team now? Got it.
He doesn' have to speak for the team. It was quite obvious.
So what was the explanation for the Steelers game? Do they randomly decide when to 'not trust him'?
This team went to the AFC championship game and damn near won (in foxboro) against the GOAT ... with Blake Bortles as its QB.
Massive changes not necessary.
(02-01-2018, 01:10 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 12:42 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]He doesn' have to speak for the team. It was quite obvious.
So what was the explanation for the Steelers game? Do they randomly decide when to 'not trust him'?
They had a similar game plan in this game as well. They gave him safe throws. Look at the buffalo game. They blamed it on the wind. Please. That was as bad Bortles been in his entire career.
(02-01-2018, 02:20 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 01:10 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]So what was the explanation for the Steelers game? Do they randomly decide when to 'not trust him'?
They had a similar game plan in this game as well. They gave him safe throws. Look at the buffalo game. They blamed it on the wind. Please. That was as bad Bortles been in his entire career.
Yet we don’t win without him.
(02-01-2018, 02:21 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 02:20 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]They had a similar game plan in this game as well. They gave him safe throws. Look at the buffalo game. They blamed it on the wind. Please. That was as bad Bortles been in his entire career.
Yet we don’t win without him.
Truth lies between and now we have a surgery that was a factor as well.
We have to hope the guy can keep progressing and develop when he is "more" pain free. It explains some of the inconsistency. I'm not sure we have many options this offseason at the QB position. I really hope we step up to the first place schedule and avoid being a one and done fluke.
(02-01-2018, 02:21 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 02:20 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]They had a similar game plan in this game as well. They gave him safe throws. Look at the buffalo game. They blamed it on the wind. Please. That was as bad Bortles been in his entire career.
Yet we don’t win without him.
If we had a Kirk Cousins or Alex Smith, we blow out Buffalo, can you agree on that?
(02-01-2018, 02:20 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 01:10 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]So what was the explanation for the Steelers game? Do they randomly decide when to 'not trust him'?
They had a similar game plan in this game as well. They gave him safe throws. Look at the buffalo game. They blamed it on the wind. Please. That was as bad Bortles been in his entire career.
So the deep pass to Cole in the 4th quarter that pretty much sealed the game was a 'safe throw'? Got it.
Who were these 'theys' that blamed in on the wind? I haven't see that article.
(02-01-2018, 02:50 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 02:20 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]They had a similar game plan in this game as well. They gave him safe throws. Look at the buffalo game. They blamed it on the wind. Please. That was as bad Bortles been in his entire career.
So the deep pass to Cole in the 4th quarter that pretty much sealed the game was a 'safe throw'? Got it.
Who were these 'theys' that blamed in on the wind? I haven't see that article.
Lol, Bortles himself blamed the wind for missing 5 yard throws. Marrone also mentioned it in one of his press conferences.
(02-01-2018, 02:55 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 02:50 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]So the deep pass to Cole in the 4th quarter that pretty much sealed the game was a 'safe throw'? Got it.
Who were these 'theys' that blamed in on the wind? I haven't see that article.
Lol, Bortles himself blamed the wind for missing 5 yard throws. Marrone also mentioned it in one of his press conferences.
Where's the link...as well as my answer on the 'safe pass' to Cole?
Oh wait...I forgot to say Lol
(02-01-2018, 02:32 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 02:21 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Yet we don’t win without him.
Truth lies between and now we have a surgery that was a factor as well.
We have to hope the guy can keep progressing and develop when he is "more" pain free. It explains some of the inconsistency. I'm not sure we have many options this offseason at the QB position. I really hope we step up to the first place schedule and avoid being a one and done fluke.
There's absolutely nothing about this team that could be labeled a fluke.
The surgery is a complete non-factor. It was a minor surgery on his wrist with a 3-5 week recovery time. It won't have any impact on his future abilities, including his ability to pass the physical in March.
(02-01-2018, 02:40 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 02:21 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Yet we don’t win without him.
If we had a Kirk Cousins or Alex Smith, we blow out Buffalo, can you agree on that?
Feel free to provide the total number of playoff games these two have won during the course of their career. I'll wait.
Also, ifs and buts work really great in hindsight. Neither player was available to this team this year to have them available in the playoffs, so you might as well say "Tom Brady would have blown out Buffalo with this team." It's a straw man from the start. Bortles got the team to the point where we were still competing for a Super Bowl berth in the fourth quarter of the conference championship game.
You might as well run to your local Costco and pick up a couple of cases of Depends, because when Bortles is back next year, you're gonna need them with all the whining you'll be doing.
I too myself have doubts about Bortles. But to say with Smith or Cousins, we would have won, I'm not sure about that. I think what ultimately hurt us was coaching/play calling and obviously ref bias. Bortles actually kept us in the games to win. Did he worry us in the beginning of Buffalo game? Sure. But he battled hard and used his other skills to pull help pull out a victory. He made some huge plays in Pittsburgh to help us win that game. And he didn't make any plays against New England that cost us the game really; minus the delay of game.... Uuuhhhggggggg. My doubts with Bortles stem from previous years of inconsistency and horrible decision making. And even though he still showed a little of that this year, it was way better than past years.
The problem with saying bye to Bortles is that there's no true answer out there available to replace him with. Cousins could be the answer; but he hasn't shown anything really to absolutely kick Bortles to the curb. Smith is gone, and he's about the same. The only player that would be a sign me up now is Brees. And he's not leaving New Orleans. So, Bortles it is; draft a young QB to develop behind him and beat the brakes off the AFC next year!
(02-01-2018, 02:40 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 02:21 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Yet we don’t win without him.
If we had a Kirk Cousins or Alex Smith, we blow out Buffalo, can you agree on that?
Alex Smith played Buffalo this year. He lost. Scored 10 points. Had lower rating than Bortles.
(02-01-2018, 04:14 PM)jagsfan1983 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2018, 02:40 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]If we had a Kirk Cousins or Alex Smith, we blow out Buffalo, can you agree on that?
Alex Smith played Buffalo this year. He lost. Scored 10 points. Had lower rating than Bortles.
Wow Really imagine that. Man we dodge a bullet on him. LOL