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I like this move a lot. It's possible we manage to go QB early as well now.

Probably our first 3 picks will be OG, TE, QB in any order.

Fantastic.
I've always said that if you build a monstrous wall of an offensive line, even Jags02 could play quarterback behind it.

Looks like we’ll be zigging while the rest of the league is zagging? Interesting. 

The left side of our line is absolutely going to crush DLs.

(03-13-2018, 06:54 AM)ColoJag Wrote: [ -> ]Leaves us with 16 million I believe?

He's averaging $13.3 mil, and if you subtract that from the Jaguars cap space you indeed get to right about $16 mil, however, chances are the contract structure is backloaded and that his first-year cap hit is a bit less.

(03-13-2018, 11:51 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2018, 06:54 AM)ColoJag Wrote: [ -> ]Leaves us with 16 million I believe?

He's averaging $13.3 mil, and if you subtract that from the Jaguars cap space you indeed get to right about $16 mil, however, chances are the contract structure is backloaded and that his first-year cap hit is a bit less.

I'd rather front load it and leave space in 2019/2020 for all the second contracts coming up on defense.

The Jags can address nickel corner, RG, TE and backup QB in the draft without needing to throw around much more FA money.

(03-13-2018, 11:22 AM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]Fantastic.
I've always said that if you build a monstrous wall of an offensive line, even Jags02 could play quarterback behind it.

You'd have to provide me with all sorts of time. My release is slower than Byron's. 

Good signing. A position of need that isn't saturated, filled. Well done Jags!

I'm not going to complain about getting a really good player, but holy hell that's a ton of money for a non premium position. I can't help but think that giving essentially that same money to Arob or that money + what they gave Blake for Cousins wouldn't make us a better team. Doubling down is obviously the theme of this offseason though and Norwell will definitely help with that.

(03-13-2018, 11:07 AM)sacksonville2k Wrote: [ -> ]Just an awful signing.

30 Million guaranteed?

Hahahahaha.  They could have literally drafted a much cheaper OG with similar skill set.  Now we just budget fudged ourselves in the future.

Our window to win a championship is a few years due to awful contracts and players expiring.

I mean you cant address every need in the draft, and there are certain positions that we HAVE to hit on this year. You cant reasonably expect to draft a guy that will instantly be a top guard in the NFL. 

Its all about establishing our identity on offense. We want to run the ball... you cant count on drafting an All Pro rookie guard... there is an element of luck involved in that.

(03-13-2018, 11:55 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not going to complain about getting a really good player, but holy hell that's a ton of money for a non premium position. I can't help but think that giving essentially that same money to Arob or that money + what they gave Blake for Cousins wouldn't make us a better team. Doubling down is obviously the theme of this offseason though and Norwell will definitely help with that.

If you look at the last 10 superbowl winners, very few had a #1 receiver.

Offensive line may not get the glory but it is a premium position, especially is running the ball is the focus.

(03-13-2018, 11:55 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not going to complain about getting a really good player, but holy hell that's a ton of money for a non premium position. I can't help but think that giving essentially that same money to Arob or that money + what they gave Blake for Cousins wouldn't make us a better team. Doubling down is obviously the theme of this offseason though and Norwell will definitely help with that.

Every great team is dominant at at least one thing. Jags are dominant in 2 areas now. They are about to destroy people in the run game and their defense is still dominant. I think Blake will be better than he was in 2017 but I'm more excited about Fournette. If he takes this off season seriously, he should be able to run for 1600 yards or more.

(03-13-2018, 11:56 AM)brianmsbc Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2018, 11:07 AM)sacksonville2k Wrote: [ -> ]Just an awful signing.

30 Million guaranteed?

Hahahahaha.  They could have literally drafted a much cheaper OG with similar skill set.  Now we just budget fudged ourselves in the future.

Our window to win a championship is a few years due to awful contracts and players expiring.

I mean you cant address every need in the draft, and there are certain positions that we HAVE to hit on this year. You cant reasonably expect to draft a guy that will instantly be a top guard in the NFL. 

Its all about establishing our identity on offense. We want to run the ball... you cant count on drafting an All Pro rookie guard... there is an element of luck involved in that.

Also, I think we can opt out in 2 years if it doesn't work out.

Also, remember, we're not through with receivers yet. The draft is coming up, and it's a good draft for WRs and TEs.

(03-13-2018, 11:58 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]If you look at the last 10 superbowl winners, very few had a #1 receiver.

Offensive line may not get the glory but it is a premium position, especially is running the ball is the focus.

I would agree if our oline wasn't already fine, but I think it was. We were 10th in yards created before contact in the run game and also 10th in pressures allowed per dropback or something like that (it was an NGS stat I forget exactly what it was but we were good). If our top 5 pick RB can't excel behind an already above average line...

I just think we're going to see some diminishing returns with Norwell. Going from above average to good at oline isn't going to be the same from going from below average to good at QB or receiving corps. But like I said it's fine Norwell will obviously help.

(03-13-2018, 07:08 AM)ColoJag Wrote: [ -> ]Could imagine us going with Poz and a veteran WR in FA then going TE/WR/T/Nickel in the draft

I can see our WR situation looking like...

1. Paul Richardson (FA from Sea)
   
2. Dede Westbrook
   
3. Keelan Cole
   
4. Allen Hurns
   
5. Dante Pettis (PR)
   

Pettis would have to beat out Mickens in camp for the PR spot, but that would be a fun battle to watch. You could also get him day three most likely so in round one we could get Vander Esch to replace Poz allowing for no more weak link on the defense; then maybe Hayden Hurst does actually fall to our round two pick with someone else reaching for Gesicki instead; and then in round three we get our nickel back to replace Colvin.

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(03-13-2018, 12:05 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2018, 11:58 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]If you look at the last 10 superbowl winners, very few had a #1 receiver.

Offensive line may not get the glory but it is a premium position, especially is running the ball is the focus.

I would agree if our oline wasn't already fine, but I think it was. We were 10th in yards created before contact in the run game and also 10th in pressures allowed per dropback or something like that (it was an NGS stat I forget exactly what it was but we were good). If our top 5 pick RB can't excel behind an already above average line...

I just think we're going to see some diminishing returns with Norwell. Going from above average to good at oline isn't going to be the same from going from below average to good at QB or receiving corps. But like I said it's fine Norwell will obviously help.

The Oline was average last year. The left side is now arguably the best in the league. If the Jags can sign a decent FA WR and draft another, it should be good for the offense.

(03-13-2018, 07:20 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Didn’t see this coming at all.

If we end up with Richardson or Watkins plus Norwell? Then I’m all good for letting ARob walk.

The Chiefs are set to sign Watkins, but I'm over here in Washington state praying for the Jaguars to sign Richardson. If we don't, then I hope Courtland Sutton makes it to #29 and I'd have to give up on my Vander Esch dream.

(03-13-2018, 12:08 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2018, 12:05 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I would agree if our oline wasn't already fine, but I think it was. We were 10th in yards created before contact in the run game and also 10th in pressures allowed per dropback or something like that (it was an NGS stat I forget exactly what it was but we were good). If our top 5 pick RB can't excel behind an already above average line...

I just think we're going to see some diminishing returns with Norwell. Going from above average to good at oline isn't going to be the same from going from below average to good at QB or receiving corps. But like I said it's fine Norwell will obviously help.

The Oline was average last year. The left side is now arguably the best in the league. If the Jags can sign a decent FA WR and draft another, it should be good for the offense.

I'm not saying it won't be good for the offense I've said twice that it will be, I just don't think AS good as upgrading positions that were weaker than our oline was.

(03-13-2018, 12:05 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2018, 11:58 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]If you look at the last 10 superbowl winners, very few had a #1 receiver.

Offensive line may not get the glory but it is a premium position, especially is running the ball is the focus.

I would agree if our oline wasn't already fine, but I think it was. We were 10th in yards created before contact in the run game and also 10th in pressures allowed per dropback or something like that (it was an NGS stat I forget exactly what it was but we were good). If our top 5 pick RB can't excel behind an already above average line...

I just think we're going to see some diminishing returns with Norwell. Going from above average to good at oline isn't going to be the same from going from below average to good at QB or receiving corps. But like I said it's fine Norwell will obviously help.

That stat does not paint an accurate picture of the Jags' run game in 2017. 
Given Fournette's style of play, a road-grading guard could have significant impact on this offense.

Good signing. Keep the trenches secure and pound the rock. Find a WR and TE in the draft. Jags have done well finding undrafted talent as well.