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I still want Will Hernandez in the 1st if he is there
Me too
Now the Jags have to trade up and draft the mauler OG from Notre Dame. Some people say he's the best OG in 10 years and the best player in the draft.
(03-13-2018, 08:11 AM)Go Jagwaas Derp Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-13-2018, 07:56 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]After This signing, how are we gonna be able to keep all our defensive players?!

This may be the last year for Dareus, Jackson,and/or Campbell.  If a player develops to replace them, that could create more cap space.  Jalen and Yannick are going to be expensive


Jackson may be our most overrated defensive starter. He needs to play hard to keep earning his paycheck. 
(03-13-2018, 12:33 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-13-2018, 08:11 AM)Go Jagwaas Derp Wrote: [ -> ]This may be the last year for Dareus, Jackson,and/or Campbell.  If a player develops to replace them, that could create more cap space.  Jalen and Yannick are going to be expensive


Jackson may be our most overrated defensive starter. He needs to play hard to keep earning his paycheck. 
One of the best pass rushing DTs in football.
Walterfootball (I know, I know) gave the Norwell signing an A- grade called it a "great move". Considering how much they hate DC and the Jaguars, that's interesting.

FWIW, they gave the Watkins signing a C grade and the Allen Robinson deal a C+ grade.
(03-13-2018, 12:33 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-13-2018, 08:11 AM)Go Jagwaas Derp Wrote: [ -> ]This may be the last year for Dareus, Jackson,and/or Campbell.  If a player develops to replace them, that could create more cap space.  Jalen and Yannick are going to be expensive


Jackson may be our most overrated defensive starter. He needs to play hard to keep earning his paycheck. 

I think you're off base with that analysis.
Jackson got better and better as the season went along
(03-13-2018, 12:25 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I still want Will Hernandez in the 1st if he is there

I'd be willing to trade up a few spots if need be. Then take the best available TE in round 2.
(03-13-2018, 12:33 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-13-2018, 08:11 AM)Go Jagwaas Derp Wrote: [ -> ]This may be the last year for Dareus, Jackson,and/or Campbell.  If a player develops to replace them, that could create more cap space.  Jalen and Yannick are going to be expensive


Jackson may be our most overrated defensive starter. He needs to play hard to keep earning his paycheck. 
Wrong.

Jackson is a beast.
(03-13-2018, 12:52 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]WS
(03-13-2018, 12:25 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I still want Will Hernandez in the 1st if he is there

I'd be willing to trade up a few spots if need be. Then take the best available TE in round 2.

Cam-Norwell-Linder-Hernandez-Parnell

Would be a nasty mauling online

Not only does it make our LG spot much better but it should help Cam and Linder or a rookie C like Ragnow out a ton
(03-13-2018, 10:14 AM)RedRooster28 Wrote: [ -> ]Just as a sub-plot to mention, I’m a big fan of how we reward undrafted talent with big contracts.  It sets a precedent that we value work and production over pedigree.

One of my favorite aspects of our All-League secondary last year was that we had our star stud Ramsey, yet Bouye, Gipson, & Church were all originally undrafted.  Crazy.

Another mind-numbing stat: Norwell was the only Olineman in football last year to not allow a single sack or pressure (what?!? Not even a pressure?!? Granted that’s from PFF and they’re iffy on OL evaluations, but [BLEEP] if true.  That’d be one of the most dominant years an Olineman has ever had in the NFL, and with an unpredictable QB to block for in Cam.)

That’s beyond nuts if he went 16 games without allowing a pressure and also graded as a top 5 run blocker.

Those are like imaginary stats.


PFF rated Linder as our top-rated player over Ramsey and the rest of them. When I watch the tape I see Linder always doing his job and literally placing defenders wherever he wants them. He's highly underrated even locally, and I can only imagine what Linder and Norwell could do playing next to each other. This should be a great Jaguars season.

RG is up in the air. I'd rather see Omameh there than Cann so I'm hoping he re-signs. Instead of drafting an OL early, we'd be looking at...

  • LT Cam
  • LG Norwell
  • C Linder
  • RG Omameh
  • RT Parnell
This would be a very effective OL, and something like $2 mil per might be enough to keep Omameh. 
(03-13-2018, 11:19 AM)JaguarKick Wrote: [ -> ]I like this move a lot.  It's possible we manage to go QB early as well now.  

Probably our first 3 picks will be OG, TE, QB in any order.


I can totally see Falk or Litton being there late in the third round for the Jaguars.  I can also see them going nickel there if we don't re-sign Colvin.
Hernandez next...
(03-13-2018, 12:27 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]Now the Jags have to trade up and draft the mauler OG from Notre Dame.  Some people say he's the best OG in 10 years and the best player in the draft.

Oh, so you are the guy at the party who, after drinking 5 shots of tequila, knows life could even be better, only if you could just get 1 more shot of tequila.
(03-13-2018, 12:12 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-13-2018, 12:05 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I would agree if our oline wasn't already fine, but I think it was. We were 10th in yards created before contact in the run game and also 10th in pressures allowed per dropback or something like that (it was an NGS stat I forget exactly what it was but we were good). If our top 5 pick RB can't excel behind an already above average line...

I just think we're going to see some diminishing returns with Norwell. Going from above average to good at oline isn't going to be the same from going from below average to good at QB or receiving corps. But like I said it's fine Norwell will obviously help.

That stat does not paint an accurate picture of the Jags' run game in 2017. 
Given Fournette's style of play, a road-grading guard could have significant impact on this offense.

"Jacksonville’s offensive line had a lot of success in run-blocking as the 1.95 yards Jaguars running backs averaged before contact ranked second in the NFL last season."

I dunno man, PFF has us graded even higher than NGS did. I think we were actually just a good run blocking team. I think Fournette's low YPC was more his doing as the olines. Yeldon and Grant had no problem racking up a whopping 5.5 YPC combined.
(03-13-2018, 12:33 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-13-2018, 08:11 AM)Go Jagwaas Derp Wrote: [ -> ]This may be the last year for Dareus, Jackson,and/or Campbell.  If a player develops to replace them, that could create more cap space.  Jalen and Yannick are going to be expensive


Jackson may be our most overrated defensive starter. He needs to play hard to keep earning his paycheck. 

Malik Jackson was playing lights out leading up to the playoffs and throughout, he was absolutely causing havoc in the backfield.
(03-13-2018, 01:32 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-13-2018, 12:12 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]That stat does not paint an accurate picture of the Jags' run game in 2017. 
Given Fournette's style of play, a road-grading guard could have significant impact on this offense.

"Jacksonville’s offensive line had a lot of success in run-blocking as the 1.95 yards Jaguars running backs averaged before contact ranked second in the NFL last season."

I dunno man, PFF has us graded even higher than NGS did. I think we were actually just a good run blocking team. I think Fournette's low YPC was more his doing as the olines. Yeldon and Grant had no problem racking up a whopping 5.5 YPC combined.
All 79 of their total carries combined? Including those fake punts that Grant ran? Sweet.

Yeldon racked up most of that against an absolutely dreadful Colts rush defense. The Jags rushing totals were very skewed and they needed to improve the Oline and got arguably the best guard in the game.
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