(07-23-2018, 11:46 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2018, 12:32 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is The Flaky Future of the Democratic Party
HERE'S a montage of some of her better quotes lol
https://freebeacon.com/politics/alexandr...tic-party/
In more ways than one, she's the Democratic Party's Trump. Way off in left field, no experience, views that are way off of most of the party (and most of America), and appealing so strongly to a select few that they will turn out in droves to get her elected.
I couldn't disagree more.
She's gotten a lot of support from leaders in the DNC. Her views are being supported by her party--at least a lot of it.
Besides, I don't believe Trump's views reflect those of only a "select few". Trump received 62 million votes, and he's only getting more popular. The left can't seem to grasp the idea that Trump shares a lot of views that are popular with a lot of Americans. It's their way in minimizing his impact. The sooner the left starts catering to SOME of these views, the sooner they'll learn to beat him. Instead, they keep pushing further left, and that's how you end up with a Sanders or Ocasio Cortez.
(07-24-2018, 12:30 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2018, 11:46 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]In more ways than one, she's the Democratic Party's Trump. Way off in left field, no experience, views that are way off of most of the party (and most of America), and appealing so strongly to a select few that they will turn out in droves to get her elected.
I couldn't disagree more.
She's gotten a lot of support from leaders in the DNC. Her views are being supported by her party--at least a lot of it.
Besides, I don't believe Trump's views reflect those of only a "select few". Trump received 62 million votes, and he's only getting more popular. The left can't seem to grasp the idea that Trump shares a lot of views that are popular with a lot of Americans. It's their way in minimizing his impact. The sooner the left starts catering to SOME of these views, the sooner they'll learn to beat him. Instead, they keep pushing further left, and that's how you end up with a Sanders or Ocasio Cortez.
You can't blame them, they didn't know anybody who voted for Nixon!
(07-23-2018, 11:46 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2018, 12:32 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is The Flaky Future of the Democratic Party
HERE'S a montage of some of her better quotes lol
https://freebeacon.com/politics/alexandr...tic-party/
In more ways than one, she's the Democratic Party's Trump. Way off in left field, no experience, views that are way off of most of the party (and most of America), and appealing so strongly to a select few that they will turn out in droves to get her elected.
<insert Trump WRONG meme>
(07-23-2018, 11:46 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2018, 12:32 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is The Flaky Future of the Democratic Party
HERE'S a montage of some of her better quotes lol
https://freebeacon.com/politics/alexandr...tic-party/
In more ways than one, she's the Democratic Party's Trump. Way off in left field, no experience, views that are way off of most of the party (and most of America), and appealing so strongly to a select few that they will turn out in droves to get her elected.
The fatal flaw in that analogy is that Trump won by winning the middle - flipping 9 million 0bama voters.
(07-24-2018, 06:34 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ] (07-23-2018, 11:46 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]In more ways than one, she's the Democratic Party's Trump. Way off in left field, no experience, views that are way off of most of the party (and most of America), and appealing so strongly to a select few that they will turn out in droves to get her elected.
The fatal flaw in that analogy is that Trump won by winning the middle - flipping 9 million 0bama voters.
9 million is about the number first time voters Obama brought out in 2008.
I'd guess these are mostly the same people and they just crave a celebrity vibe. I'd guess they have no ideological opinions.
(07-29-2018, 12:58 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (07-27-2018, 03:08 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]This is truly painful to watch.
https://mobile.twitter.com/DailyCaller/s...frame.html
Wow.
Typical liberal/democrat. Raise taxes and invent a new tax!
Even when she doubled income tax and invented one she didn't have enough. Guess math isn't a strong point for socialists. Classic overpromise underdeliver. The good news is that a whole new generation will get educated on Socialism if she ever goes anywhere.
Ocasio-Cortez's answers are pretty bad.
You guys are right to point out that her math doesn't add up.
Her ideas, vague though they are, will add to the deficit.
But so did Bush's tax cuts, Obama's tax cuts, and Trump's tax cuts.
If you're going to criticize bad math, you should criticize it regardless of if it seems to help your paycheck.
Tax rate cuts aren't inherently revenue negative and more often than not are revenue positive. At current we are seeing record highs in tax revenue. The problem is baseline budgeting and automatic spending increases of 8% in some cases.
There's no amount of running that a public bakery can't cancel out. Moreover, with an income tax increase and a carbon tax and static scoring she didn't even cover the renewable energy infrastructure part of her platform and the question was about "Medicare for all".
Tax cuts don't "add" to a deficit. Spending is the driver of deficits.
You can't have what you can't afford.
If you want to confiscate more revenue, you don't raise tax rates. You add payroll by creating jobs. If you aren't working/contributing, you're leeching and a burden.
We must always remember that earnings are just that - they belong to the individual who earned them (not the government.) Taxes are a legal form of transferring rightful earnings from the earner to those who did not earn them.
It's glaringly clear that our current and projected spending is simply unsustainable. Federal government spending is the only "unsustainable" item that should ever be uttered by anyone until it's fixed.
(07-31-2018, 09:54 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-29-2018, 12:58 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Wow.
Typical liberal/democrat. Raise taxes and invent a new tax!
Even when she doubled income tax and invented one she didn't have enough. Guess math isn't a strong point for socialists. Classic overpromise underdeliver. The good news is that a whole new generation will get educated on Socialism if she ever goes anywhere.
This is why the left always wishes to silence their opposition, and the right is so insistent upon freedom of speech.
Without it, the truth cannot be found. With free speech, you can't bury history and examples of what does not work and does not produce prosperity.
Let them open their mouths and show how cute but asinine their ill formed beliefs and ideas are.
That's what free speech affords. Uncensored information, without which one cannot pursue truth.
(08-01-2018, 06:42 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]Tax rate cuts aren't inherently revenue negative and more often than not are revenue positive. At current we are seeing record highs in tax revenue. The problem is baseline budgeting and automatic spending increases of 8% in some cases.
The only tax that, when cut, creates more revenue in the short term, is a sales tax or a capital gains tax. This is because people can delay their activity until after the rate is reduced. Income taxes do not work like that in the short term. People don't delay their wages.
In the long term, reductions to income tax can spur consumer spending which in turn can add to wages and payrolls and in turn give more money to the government in the end. But that long term effect is uncertain. It doesn't happen every time and is less likely to happen when the economy is at full employment already.
As for blaming the problem on automatic spending increases, isn't that changing the subject? My point is, all else equal, the tax cuts I listed reduced receipts by the government more often than not.
Bringing spending levels into the discussion breaks the "all else equal" part.
(08-01-2018, 07:05 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2018, 09:54 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]Even when she doubled income tax and invented one she didn't have enough. Guess math isn't a strong point for socialists. Classic overpromise underdeliver. The good news is that a whole new generation will get educated on Socialism if she ever goes anywhere.
This is why the left always wishes to silence their opposition, and the right is so insistent upon freedom of speech.
Without it, the truth cannot be found. With free speech, you can't bury history and examples of what does not work and does not produce prosperity.
Let them open their mouths and show how cute but asinine their ill formed beliefs and ideas are.
That's what free speech affords. Uncensored information, without which one cannot pursue truth.
You're shadow boxing.
No one here wants anyone to stop thinking and stop doing math.
(08-01-2018, 07:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-01-2018, 07:05 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]This is why the left always wishes to silence their opposition, and the right is so insistent upon freedom of speech.
Without it, the truth cannot be found. With free speech, you can't bury history and examples of what does not work and does not produce prosperity.
Let them open their mouths and show how cute but asinine their ill formed beliefs and ideas are.
That's what free speech affords. Uncensored information, without which one cannot pursue truth.
You're shadow boxing.
No one here wants anyone to stop thinking and stop doing math.
Perhaps not me, but someone has certainly pulled the wool over your eyes. Little you stand for adds up (based on the admittedly little I've heard from you.)
No. As I stated the revenues actually increased this year, the Bush years, the Kennedy years, etc.
As for growth under full employment, we just hit 4.1 in annualized GDP growth for the second quarter.
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