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(08-09-2018, 09:41 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2018, 08:37 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]LOL.  If you think I'm trying to force conclusions on anyone we have a serious misunderstanding.  As often as not I'm asking questions. 
I just described my point of view as adaptable and nuanced and you described it as binary.  Dunno.  Only one of us knows my thoughts.
I know where you're coming from.  I'm not going to change your mind.  You're an "all government bad let me do whatever I want and that would be better" person.  Non-aggression principle and all that.  Apply what you believe about actions to your words to me and I think we'll do a good job of staying out of each other's way.

"Only one of us knows my thoughts."

Followed immediately by "I know your thoughts."

You can't get out of your own way, much less mine.

Did I characterize your viewpoint incorrectly?

(08-09-2018, 11:05 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2018, 09:41 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]"Only one of us knows my thoughts."

Followed immediately by "I know your thoughts."

You can't get out of your own way, much less mine.

Did I characterize your viewpoint incorrectly?

Yes.

(08-09-2018, 11:37 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2018, 11:05 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Did I characterize your viewpoint incorrectly?

Yes.

My apologies.  What is your viewpoint?

(08-09-2018, 02:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2018, 11:37 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yes.

My apologies.  What is your viewpoint?

https://www.lp.org/

(08-09-2018, 02:21 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2018, 02:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]My apologies.  What is your viewpoint?

https://www.lp.org/

That's what I thought.  "Non-aggression principle and all that."
What did I say that you disagree with?

(08-09-2018, 02:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2018, 02:21 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.lp.org/

That's what I thought.  "Non-aggression principle and all that."
What did I say that you disagree with?

You're an "all government bad let me do whatever I want and that would be better" person.

But it's ok, we all see how you like to try and stick your digs in along with something relevant; very passive aggressive of you, maybe you should get some help for that problem.

(08-09-2018, 05:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2018, 02:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That's what I thought.  "Non-aggression principle and all that."
What did I say that you disagree with?

You're an "all government bad let me do whatever I want and that would be better" person.

But it's ok, we all see how you like to try and stick your digs in along with something relevant; very passive aggressive of you, maybe you should get some help for that problem.

Didn't you say that you don't believe in virtue?
Didn't you say that freedom means you get to do whatever you want even murder?
Don't you believe in Freedom?!

(08-09-2018, 05:39 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2018, 05:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You're an "all government bad let me do whatever I want and that would be better" person.

But it's ok, we all see how you like to try and stick your digs in along with something relevant; very passive aggressive of you, maybe you should get some help for that problem.

Didn't you say that you don't believe in virtue?
Didn't you say that freedom means you get to do whatever you want even murder?
Don't you believe in Freedom?!

Yes, virtue is subjective.
Yes, that is what freedom means. It has no moral standard, merely the lack of restraint.
Indeed, but you struggle with the difference between freedom and liberty.

(08-09-2018, 07:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2018, 05:39 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't you say that you don't believe in virtue?
Didn't you say that freedom means you get to do whatever you want even murder?
Don't you believe in Freedom?!

Yes, virtue is subjective.
Yes, that is what freedom means. It has no moral standard, merely the lack of restraint.
Indeed, but you struggle with the difference between freedom and liberty.

They are exactly the same thing, to me.  Freedom from the German "freiheit" and liberty from the French "liberte". For me they both imply that no one stops you from doing what is good, and no new taxes or laws are made without all of the public getting a chance to meaningfully influence the process.

So what does "liberty" mean to you?

(08-09-2018, 09:56 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2018, 07:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, virtue is subjective.
Yes, that is what freedom means. It has no moral standard, merely the lack of restraint.
Indeed, but you struggle with the difference between freedom and liberty.

They are exactly the same thing, to me.  Freedom from the German "freiheit" and liberty from the French "liberte". For me they both imply that no one stops you from doing what is good, and no new taxes or laws are made without all of the public getting a chance to meaningfully influence the process.

So what does "liberty" mean to you?

There you go again. You dont get to make up your own definitions. It doesn't matter what it means to me or to you, our feelings aren't relevant to the definition.

(08-09-2018, 11:28 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2018, 09:56 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]They are exactly the same thing, to me.  Freedom from the German "freiheit" and liberty from the French "liberte". For me they both imply that no one stops you from doing what is good, and no new taxes or laws are made without all of the public getting a chance to meaningfully influence the process.

So what does "liberty" mean to you?

There you go again. You dont get to make up your own definitions. It doesn't matter what it means to me or to you, our feelings aren't relevant to the definition.

According to Merriam-Webster both words have "the quality or state of being free" as the first definition.
If you try to translate freiheit from German into French you get liberté.
so if you think those words have different definitions you are the one making stuff up, with all due respect.

(08-10-2018, 05:48 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2018, 11:28 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]There you go again. You dont get to make up your own definitions. It doesn't matter what it means to me or to you, our feelings aren't relevant to the definition.

According to Merriam-Webster both words have "the quality or state of being free" as the first definition.
If you try to translate freiheit from German into French you get liberté.
so if you think those words have different definitions you are the one making stuff up, with all due respect.

No, no, no...you added your little moral component to them. That's where you get off track. Keep researching, the truth is out there.

(08-09-2018, 02:21 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2018, 02:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]My apologies.  What is your viewpoint?

https://www.lp.org/

I'm a Libertarian although a lot of Libertarians I know and have read about and heard about are for open borders and free migration.
And I can't get behind that.
But just about everything else I'm in full agreement with.

(08-10-2018, 11:05 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-09-2018, 02:21 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.lp.org/

I'm a Libertarian although a lot of Libertarians I know and have read about and heard about are for open borders and free migration.
And I can't get behind that.
But just about everything else I'm in full agreement with.

Indeed, I'm the same. My response was mostly to give homework to the teacher.

(08-10-2018, 08:15 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-10-2018, 05:48 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]According to Merriam-Webster both words have "the quality or state of being free" as the first definition.
If you try to translate freiheit from German into French you get liberté.
so if you think those words have different definitions you are the one making stuff up, with all due respect.

No, no, no...you added your little moral component to them. That's where you get off track. Keep researching, the truth is out there.

Um, I literally just read a dictionary and ran words through Google translate.
My "little moral component" didn't play into it.

Ocasio-Cortez has been challenged by Ben Shiparo to a debate on capitalism vs socialism in which he offered her 10K to have. Ocasio-Cortez responded, comparing his challenge to a "cat call".

Candice Owens doubled that offer, no dice.

Ocasio-Cortez can hardly get through a friendly interview with the MSM. She knows she would get destroyed.

(08-10-2018, 01:55 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Ocasio-Cortez has been challenged by Ben Shiparo to a debate on capitalism vs socialism in which he offered her 10K to have. Ocasio-Cortez responded, comparing his challenge to a "cat call".

Candice Owens doubled that offer, no dice.

Ocasio-Cortez can hardly get through a friendly interview with the MSM. She knows she would get destroyed.

Begging for a debate is a sure sign that you are losing in politics, sadly.
Perhaps another candidate for US House should step up to the plate.  As a real, live politician, pundits are now beneath her pay grade.

(08-10-2018, 02:08 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-10-2018, 01:55 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Ocasio-Cortez has been challenged by Ben Shiparo to a debate on capitalism vs socialism in which he offered her 10K to have. Ocasio-Cortez responded, comparing his challenge to a "cat call".

Candice Owens doubled that offer, no dice.

Ocasio-Cortez can hardly get through a friendly interview with the MSM. She knows she would get destroyed.

Begging for a debate is a sure sign that you are losing in politics, sadly.
Perhaps another candidate for US House should step up to the plate.  As a real, live politician, pundits are now beneath her pay grade.

Speaking of losing in politics, every single candidate Ocasio-Cortez endorsed in the primaries this week got absolutely blistered. Do you think that is a coincidence?

Unfortunately for her, additional people besides the 15,897 lunatics who voted for her need to be convinced.

Edit: Charlie Kirk just upped the offer to 100K to a charity of her choice. Is charity below her pay grade?

(08-10-2018, 02:08 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-10-2018, 01:55 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Ocasio-Cortez has been challenged by Ben Shiparo to a debate on capitalism vs socialism in which he offered her 10K to have. Ocasio-Cortez responded, comparing his challenge to a "cat call".

Candice Owens doubled that offer, no dice.

Ocasio-Cortez can hardly get through a friendly interview with the MSM. She knows she would get destroyed.

Begging for a debate is a sure sign that you are losing in politics, sadly.
Perhaps another candidate for US House should step up to the plate.  As a real, live politician, pundits are now beneath her pay grade.

What?  Where on earth do you get these notions?  She has been trotted out by friendly media types and unchallenged by anything she says.  If she were worth her salt she would jump at the chance to prove her ideas and concepts under scrutiny.  Alas she scurries away.