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The greatest branding event of the last half century is no doubt the 30 second quip about "Democrats care about black people." It may surprise some of those who know me here, but I was actually a pretty liberal person coming out of high school and entering college.  Like most people of color I had been taught, both passively and actively, over the last few years of my life that to be black and inspirational meant to support the liberal agenda, more specifically the Democratic party.  They would INVEST IN ME and have people PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE and the like.  I won't go into the long and short of my entire conversion to modern constitutional conservatism, but I will highlight the one truth that I came to realize at the apex of that Journey. 

 

Liberalism CAN'T work for Black people! 

 

Not that it "just doesn't right now", not that it needs another MENSA IQ with a little twist to make it better.  Modern Liberalism CAN'T work for black people.  Why?  The answer is both painfully obvious and painfully simple, "Because liberalism Doesn't Work!" 

 

Just think about it.  If you are sitting on the side of the road, and you need to get from here to California, a car with no engine isn't going to get you there!  You can spend as much money as you want on brakes, mirrors, carpets etc. but you still won't move an inch. 

 

Case and point, over the last 8 years, we have lived through the most massive government expansion in history.  We are currently spending more money (as a percentage of GDP) through the federal government than at any time in our countries history.  At the height of the NEW DEAL our government spent roughly 13% of every dollar earned in the country.  Today that number is 25%.  That's double.  When you account for state and local governments, we spend 45% of every dollar in this country through a state agency.  That's higher than Canada. We also have the most expansive regulatory regime in our countries history.  Each year more than a trillion dollars is passed onto consumers to comply with our current regulatory structure. 

 

For this level of state control we were promised an egalitarian, post racial society with less income inequality and direct investments into the communities that needed it the most. 

 

The reality is that for the first time in our countries history, we are going to go through 8 years while never achieving 3% GDP growth.  We now have home ownership levels that are the lowest in the last half century.   Incomes have stagnated almost completely.  But somehow magically we are still going to have 10 trillion dollars of new debt.  (And this is with interest rates near zero.)

 

The stimulus promised shovel ready jobs, new roads, new bridges and new schools.  We got Solyndra, and fatter public sector union contracts. 

 

Social Security promised dignity for those who were too old to work.  We have seen the greatest theft of wealth from the middle class of this country that is even imaginable.  The marginal disposable income that could have been invested in the most advanced financial system in the history of mankind has been wasted and squandered through a Ponzi scheme based on 19th century German state theory threading the needle of government failure to provide both a horrible return on investment for beneficiaries, 0 equity for beneficiaries, and yet an almost infinite level of unfunded liabilities that threaten the solvency of our nation. 

 

Medicare and Medicaid have similar stories.  (A child born today with live through over 75 trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities in their lifetime.)

 

Through Obamacare we were promised that we could keep our doctors, that we could keep our plans and that everyone would save 2500 dollars a year on their health coverage because the mean insurance companies were going to get it this time.  A trillion dollars later we have tens of millions of people that were displaced from insurance plans that they chose of their own free will, herded like cattle onto a website that didn't work and was not proven to be safe, given the option of choosing plans that had the benefits of catastrophic insurance (extreme deductibles) but the cost of major medical (high premiums).  So much so that most people can't afford them without government subsidies that only push more and more onto the tax payer.  And still with the massive decrease in the actual value of insurance, the inordinate increase in the cost of coverage nearly 90% of the publicly funded insurance co-ops have gone out of business and most of the state exchanges set up to provide a defacto government controlled marketplace are collapsing under their own weight and insurers are running for the hills. 

 

The list just goes on and on. 

 

The melanin content of your skin doesn't make social security a good deal or any more solvent.  Being black doesn't mean that someone can get their pre-Obamacare health care back.  Being Latino doesn't make "SHOVEL READY" a real job in your neighborhood.  If you are a person of the Muslim faith kind words doesn't make the school in your neighborhood more accountable for their performance. 

 

In reality, Black unemployment has risen, the percentage of blacks out of the labor force has risen, black home ownership has dropped, black poverty has increased, black participation in food stamps has jumped some 58%. 

 

The only excuse that the left makes for this is to blame a recession THEY CAUSED through liberal easing and monetary policy....

 

Liberalism offers the idea of fairness, the idea of equality, and the illusion of prosperity.  Math, history and economics demonstrates that far more often than not the election has the false promise of hope, change, etc. but the people of this country are left with the broken promises and the higher tax bills.   

 

If you're a person of color and you really think that more taxes and more government are the answer to our countries problem then that's your prerogative, but I am sick and tired of seeing people being emotionally manipulated because someone says they have "Hot Sauce" in their bag...

the realities of everything you wrote makes me sad.  This country needs to be taken back from the politicians, corporations, and special interests that have held it captive for far too long.

Quote:The greatest branding event of the last half century is no doubt the 30 second quip about "Democrats care about black people." 
 

The Water Crises in Flint Michigan was caused by Republicans looking to save money...  

 

The War on Drugs began under Ronnie RayGun.

 

The term "Welfare Queen" was a reference to poor black women, started by republicans.

 

The concept of drug tests for welfare recipients was an idea brought to us by the GOP.

 

The idea that the Black Lives Matter movement is a terrorist movement comes from conservatives.  

 

But yeah, Democrates are hurting black people... That is believable.  
Quote:The Water Crises in Flint Michigan was caused by Republicans looking to save money...  

 

And the lie detector test determined that was a lie.  The two municipalities (Detroit and Flint) had a dispute about the short term water supply because Flint was moving away from Detroit in the long term.  Moreover, the two cities have been run by democrats for over a half century.  Another example that you can have all the taxes and regs you want, if the businesses leave then there's nothing to provide for the community. 


 

The War on Drugs began under Ronnie RayGun.

 

This idea that Drugs have anything to do with a positive future for Black people began under secular progressives and have cost black America a couple of generations.  If you think more crack and more weed and more heroin is part of the solution then more power to you.  Go watch Malcom X and get back to me. 


 

The term "Welfare Queen" was a reference to poor black women, started by republicans.

 

The idea of supplanting the Black father with Uncle sam is a staple of socialist revolution and secular progressive propaganda.  25% of black kids live in two parent households.  That's a disgrace that we have 100% control over. 


 

The concept of drug tests for welfare recipients was an idea brought to us by the GOP.

 

You're right.  From each according to their ability to each according to their need...  That worked out great for the soviets. 


 

The idea that the Black Lives Matter movement is a terrorist movement comes from conservatives.  

 

The lie about Michael Brown "Hands up Don't shoot" came from progressives trying to frame a narrative.  The idea that they are a terrorist organization came from "What do we want, DEAD COPS, When do we want them NOW!!!"  "Pigs in a blanket...  FRY EM LIKE BACON!"  And the summary execution of police officers in places like Dallas. 


 

But yeah, Democrates are hurting black people... That is believable.  
 

for some reason, you go to these places where liberals have had ideological hegemony for 3 plus decades and you usually find more suffering and less prosperity in general, let alone the black community. 

 

The collapse of the subprime market and the last 8 years of false recovery can be laid directly at the feet of progressive policies, but you keep waiting on that hot sauce. 
Quote:for some reason, you go to these places where liberals have had ideological hegemony for 3 plus decades and you usually find more suffering and less prosperity in general, let alone the black community. 

 

The collapse of the subprime market and the last 8 years of false recovery can be laid directly at the feet of progressive policies, but you keep waiting on that hot sauce. 
Don't beat your head against that wall. It's just not worth it. He will never, ever concede. I had to block him, though I can still see what he posts if it's quoted. It cut down on a lot of my exasperation.
Quote:for some reason, you go to these places where liberals have had ideological hegemony for 3 plus decades and you usually find more suffering and less prosperity in general, let alone the black community. 

 

The collapse of the subprime market and the last 8 years of false recovery can be laid directly at the feet of progressive policies, but you keep waiting on that hot sauce. 
 

You fool.  The flint decision was made by the Emergency Manager.  You know who appointed the emergency manager?  The governor.  A republican.  I'm sorry that you are fooled into voting for a party that hates you, but don't get it twisted.  

 

The Emergency Manager was appointed by the Governor, and had final authority.  This crises falls on him.  That's the way leadership works.  

 

As for your other statements, they are just your deluded opinions and don't really matter that much.

 

Republicans think BLM is terrorist.  That's what they think.  I've heard it even here in the Jungle.

 

The war on drugs was racist.  When crack cocaine sentencing was higher than that of powdered cocaine, it was clearly racist.  That's republicans.  

 

I mean, do I really need to go on?  

 

I'm providing facts, you are spinning opinion.  Just face it, you're wrong.  

Quote:Don't beat your head against that wall. It's just not worth it. He will never, ever concede. I had to block him, though I can still see what he posts if it's quoted. It cut down on a lot of my exasperation.
 

Funny, I feel this way about jj.
Quote:Funny, I feel this way about jj.
 

Well then you should block him.  Stars forbid your delicate sensibilities may be corrupted, my precious little snowflake...

 

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Quote:You fool.  The flint decision was made by the Emergency Manager.  You know who appointed the emergency manager?  The governor.  A republican.  I'm sorry that you are fooled into voting for a party that hates you, but don't get it twisted.  

 

The Emergency Manager was appointed by the Governor, and had final authority.  This crises falls on him.  That's the way leadership works.  
 

The Emergency Manager was a life-long DEMOCRAT. The only Republican hand in this was making the mistake of taking the desires of the DEMOCRAT mayor and city council of Flint into consideration when deciding who to appoint. When Pubs agree to cowtow to the Dems it's always a mistake that comes back to bite them in the [BLEEP].


 

Flint wouldn't have even needed an Emergency Manager if the DEMOCRATS controlling Flint and Detroit could have worked out their disagreement.

Quote:You fool. The flint decision was made by the Emergency Manager. You know who appointed the emergency manager? The governor. A republican. I'm sorry that you are fooled into voting for a party that hates you, but don't get it twisted.


The Emergency Manager was appointed by the Governor, and had final authority. This crises falls on him. That's the way leadership works.


As for your other statements, they are just your deluded opinions and don't really matter that much.


Republicans think BLM is terrorist. That's what they think. I've heard it even here in the Jungle.


The war on drugs was racist. When crack cocaine sentencing was higher than that of powdered cocaine, it was clearly racist. That's republicans.


I mean, do I really need to go on?


I'm providing facts, you are spinning opinion. Just face it, you're wrong.


Yeh... The democrat emergency manager! Lol... If you had credibility... That would have done it in.


And the BLM STUFF? So embarrassing...
Quote:Funny, I feel this way about jj.
To each their own. There are a few here who drive me nuts but they're still somewhat civil about everything so they're not on my ignore list. 
Quote:Funny, I feel this way about jj.


Hater in the house! Thank you for acknowledging my rawness.
Seems to be working fine for me and my friends.
Lol
Quote:Yeh... The democrat emergency manager! Lol... If you had credibility... That would have done it in.


And the BLM STUFF? So embarrassing...
 

Who appointed the Emergency Manager?

 

Was the Emergency Manager appointed by a democratic election?  Was he appointed by the city council people that were elected by the people of Flint?  Or was he appointed by the Governor?

 

As for BLM, what's embarrassing, exactly?  Is it embarrassing to you, as a black man?  That you have to listen to people of your own party call the youth of your race terrorists?  I'd find that embarrassing as well.  I mean, how can you allow the entirety of your culture and your race to be called terrorists?  That must indeed be embarrassing.  How can you sit by like a self loathing black man?  I feel sorry for you.  Do you not have any pride in your own culture and race? 

 

Have you really just become so subservient to the GOP, a party that hates you?  That you'll just let them denounce your entire race?  That's really sad.  And yes, it's also very embarrassing.  But I'm not the self loathing black man.  You are.  So it is embarrassing.  But you are the one that should be embarrassed.  No me.
 
 

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Who appointed the Emergency Manager?

 

Was the Emergency Manager appointed by a democratic election?  Was he appointed by the city council people that were elected by the people of Flint?  Or was he appointed by the Governor?

 

As for BLM, what's embarrassing, exactly?  Is it embarrassing to you, as a black man?  That you have to listen to people of your own party call the youth of your race terrorists?  I'd find that embarrassing as well.  I mean, how can you allow the entirety of your culture and your race to be called terrorists?  That must indeed be embarrassing.  How can you sit by like a self loathing black man?  I feel sorry for you.  Do you not have any pride in your own culture and race? 

 

Have you really just become so subservient to the GOP, a party that hates you?  That you'll just let them denounce your entire race?  That's really sad.  And yes, it's also very embarrassing.  But I'm not the self loathing black man.  You are.  So it is embarrassing.  But you are the one that should be embarrassed.  No me.
 

Thank you for bringing this up.  This lie is one of the reasons that I started this thread.  There are entire generations of the black community that have been brainwashed into believing this.  REPUBLICANS HATE BLACK PEOPLE...  Okay...  Why?  "Because they don't want to raise taxes and GROW GOVERNMENT!"  The minor premise of this emotional plea is that Marxist theory leads to an egalitarian post racial utopia that is actually good for people.  The "GOP HATES BLACKS" crowd never points to a place like Detroit or Flint or any of the other cities in this country that have been hollowed out by uncompetitive tax policy, burdensome regulations and intrusive government.  They never examine the fact that Social Security is both a bad deal and unsustainable.  They never look at the fact that ignoring basic economic reality and using debt instruments like Christmas Stockings almost broke the economy (literally).  All we get from them is "You support the party that HATES YOU."  Garbage. 

 

Now mind you, this isn't based on the party that wanted to continue slavery: Democrats

This isn't based on the party that promoted segregation: Democrats. 

This isn't based on the party that filibustered it's own president to oppose the voting rights act: Democrats

This is based on the false premise that Higher taxes, more regulation, and less private sector growth is good for anyone let alone blacks.  We're still waiting on the evidence to support that. 

 

As for BLM, last I checked, if a group or groups of people directly advocate and condone violence then it is perfectly logical to denounce them as a terrorist organization.  It's not like we have cops being executed in the streets or cities being burned down or anything right.  But it's all about the "Party that HATES YOU!"

 

In Flint, Democrat city councils, a Democrat emergency manager and you blame the Governor who trusted them to figure it out?  This is another part of the socialist/democrat/party that HATES YOU crowd.  When governments are shown to be incompetent, or even criminally negligent they trot out the tired lie that "If we only took more of your money, then we would get it right!"  as a nation we have 20 trillion dollars in debt, 22 plus trillion dollars spent since the declaration of the war on poverty, we just passed a trillion dollar stimulus in the middle of the greatest expansion of the federal government in the history of this country and when the state still can't provide drinkable or bathable water you still buy the notion "well if they just had more tax money."

 

There is a point where you cross over from reasoned discourse to willful ignorance to support your emotional "PARTY THAT HATES YOU." Narrative.  Not only is it unproductive, but in far too many cases its dangerous.  Why?  Because it allows cancerous policies and conditions to continue where they would otherwise be held accountable.  Chicago's level of violence is a disgrace to this Democracy.  Detroit, once the shinning city on the hill, having nearly 50% unemployment and a trail of broken promises is a disgrace to this democracy.  People like YOU trying to keep these people in the bondage of the state just because ANYTHING IS BETTER than the PARTY THAT HATES YOU is akin to Harriet Tubman's "I could have saved more had they KNOWN they were slaves!"

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It's so bad, that while you go around spitting this counteracism rhetoric you don't even know that it was mainly democratic congressman from inner city districts that ADVOCATED for the tougher sentencing laws for crack cocaine because they saw the level of violence and despair that it created in their communities.  When you actually go back and look at what Malcom X said and what MLK said, there is no way that they would be here with you spouting this pro-drug culture let the dope boy go rhetoric.  the black community deserves its fair share of prosperity within the matrix of American Meritocracy.  There are certain glaring areas that we need to grow in to achieve that.  MORE DRUGS has nothing to do with it.  MORE DRUG DEALERS has nothing to do with it.  A HIP HOP CULTURE that promotes drug culture, misogyny, violence, murder etc. doesn't have anything to do with it. 

 

It's almost like there is a leaky boat heading over a waterfall to certain death, but they keep tricking 60% of the black community to get in because they have a pants-suit and hot sauce in a DARN BAG!!!!

jj, why are you arguing with a liberal Democrat white man who obviously knows more about the plight of black people than you? Now get back on that Democrat plantation and pull the D lever if you know what's good for you.
jj fighting the good fight. You would be a good professional political commentator.

Wow. Calling JJ a self loathing black man because he has the nerve to think for himself. That's just disgusting...beyond disgusting.
Anchorman, your last post is pretty sad.  Your basically saying anyone that is black and doesn't side with liberal policies can't have any pride in his culture or race?  

 

As far as the GOP hating jj, I don't hate him.  It's your narrative that the GOP party would because that is good for votes, but sadly for you its not true.

 

You want to call out Donald Trump for saying hateful things, but look at what you've said in this post alone.  You sound just as bad as him.  You sound mean and hateful, you've talked down to jj for nothing other than saying a system wont work. 

 

Sad, very sad.

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