(10-17-2019, 12:08 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]"Culture"
such an overplayed word.
we were told the change happened when we got rid of Gus and got rid of the "losing culture"
And everyone bought it when we went 10-6
Now the culture still needs changing, or changing again?
insert eye roll here
Culture has to continue to grow, evolve, and compensate for change. We are dealing with 100+ everevolving players, coaches, trainers, execs, and etc. Culture has to be reestablished and managed year to year
The big thing we need is consistency. You cant build a culture or a style if your constantly changing big parts of your team.
Who are our Vet players? Who are our leaders? Whatever you may think of them, players like Poz, Telvin and Ramsey were those guys but they are all gone. You need a core of guys, here for a career, all in on bringing a SB to Jacksonville.
It's been an issue for some time. We have blown so many first round picks over the years and we cant keep the ones that do turn good.
(10-17-2019, 10:31 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]No one complained about the culture when we were 10-6 in the AFC championship. Same guys we’re on our team and Ramsey was still getting into it with folks.
A winning culture is simply built upon the foundation of consistent winning, if you’re losing welll...
Thank you. They keep making it try to seem different from what is was. They should have never let Poz go but it had nothing to do with the players. Ramsey talked and backed it up he and Telvin are passionate. If Ramsey would have got a contract earlier he wouldn't have acted out like that. This is a case of a bad Front office. They keep making mistakes that set us back. The front office has to look as themselves and see what they have done to continously put us in a rebuild mode all but 1 year.smh
Ramsey was the leader of this team's negative culture.
(10-17-2019, 10:56 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2019, 10:52 AM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ]Makes you wonder. Calais is supposed to be some great, transcendent leader, but the inmates ran/run the asylum.
Did you not read the quote?
"The Jaguars have a lot of high character, good culture guys but they were drowned out at times by the flamboyant, quotable, followable, shareable antics of guys like Ramsey, Smith – and last year, running back Leonard Fournette. The removal of Ramsey and Smith – and Fournette’s apparent conversion – should help clean up a locker room that wasn’t cleaning up after itself."
Let me spell it out: If Calais is some great locker room guy, then why was the locker room largely a mess w/r/t being 'bad'? Why couldn't he get those guys in line?
(10-17-2019, 12:29 PM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2019, 10:56 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]Did you not read the quote?
"The Jaguars have a lot of high character, good culture guys but they were drowned out at times by the flamboyant, quotable, followable, shareable antics of guys like Ramsey, Smith – and last year, running back Leonard Fournette. The removal of Ramsey and Smith – and Fournette’s apparent conversion – should help clean up a locker room that wasn’t cleaning up after itself."
Let me spell it out: If Calais is some great locker room guy, then why was the locker room largely a mess w/r/t being 'bad'? Why couldn't he get those guys in line?
Bruh. Seriously?
You think one guy is going to shift 51 other attitudes?
Let me spell it out for you.
You need several players that other players respect leading a culture change. Not one dude.
(10-17-2019, 12:29 PM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2019, 10:56 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]Did you not read the quote?
"The Jaguars have a lot of high character, good culture guys but they were drowned out at times by the flamboyant, quotable, followable, shareable antics of guys like Ramsey, Smith – and last year, running back Leonard Fournette. The removal of Ramsey and Smith – and Fournette’s apparent conversion – should help clean up a locker room that wasn’t cleaning up after itself."
Let me spell it out: If Calais is some great locker room guy, then why was the locker room largely a mess w/r/t being 'bad'? Why couldn't he get those guys in line?
Because he's a D-linemen with his own job to do. I'm sure the D-linemen room is very business-like and professional. He doesn't have the time to babysit every position.
(10-17-2019, 12:29 PM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2019, 10:56 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]Did you not read the quote?
"The Jaguars have a lot of high character, good culture guys but they were drowned out at times by the flamboyant, quotable, followable, shareable antics of guys like Ramsey, Smith – and last year, running back Leonard Fournette. The removal of Ramsey and Smith – and Fournette’s apparent conversion – should help clean up a locker room that wasn’t cleaning up after itself."
Let me spell it out: If Calais is some great locker room guy, then why was the locker room largely a mess w/r/t being 'bad'? Why couldn't he get those guys in line?
Maybe because those tools from FSU didn't care what Calais had to say regardless?
Maybe that's why Calais is still here battling on a losing team and those two losers are gone?
Fournette turned it around when challenged by the FO (and perhaps the locker room guys like Calais)
and Telvin quit and Ramsey whined his way to LA
(10-17-2019, 12:36 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2019, 12:29 PM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ]Let me spell it out: If Calais is some great locker room guy, then why was the locker room largely a mess w/r/t being 'bad'? Why couldn't he get those guys in line?
Maybe because those tools from FSU didn't care what Calais had to say regardless?
Maybe that's why Calais is still here battling on a losing team and those two losers are gone?
Fournette turned it around when challenged by the FO (and perhaps the locker room guys like Calais)
and Telvin quit and Ramsey whined his way to LA
FSU really does have a garbage program doesn't it? Seems like all their players are all about Me-First. True Jimbo gems.
(10-17-2019, 12:37 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2019, 12:36 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe because those tools from FSU didn't care what Calais had to say regardless?
Maybe that's why Calais is still here battling on a losing team and those two losers are gone?
Fournette turned it around when challenged by the FO (and perhaps the locker room guys like Calais)
and Telvin quit and Ramsey whined his way to LA
FSU really does have a garbage program doesn't it? Seems like all their players are all about Me-First. True Jimbo gems.
They used to have a history of producing upstanding men like Edgar Bennett and Warrick Dunn.
They’ve fallen far from that bar at present.
So what's the point of having great locker room guys if they don't, ya know, make the locker room better?
(10-17-2019, 12:39 PM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ]So what's the point of having great locker room guys if they don't, ya know, make the locker room better?
You realize this is a thread about how some great locker room guys made our locker room better, right?
SMH
GET A CLUE
(10-17-2019, 12:17 PM)D-Money Wrote: [ -> ]If Ramsey would have got a contract earlier he wouldn't have acted out like that.
Maybe if he wasn't a problem in the locker room and didn't go rogue on the field so often he would have gotten that contract.
(10-17-2019, 12:08 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]"Culture"
such an overplayed word.
we were told the change happened when we got rid of Gus and got rid of the "losing culture"
And everyone bought it when we went 10-6
Now the culture still needs changing, or changing again?
insert eye roll here
Remember how winning the last game against Indy in 2011 was supposed to instill a winning culture?
Pffft.
so now we're off and running with arguments about how much smith and ramsey meant to the locker room
Get over it guys.....they're gone.
The Jaguars, the locker room and the fans are all better off.
Players don't care about winning championships or their team at the end of the day unless they're the Patriots. It's all about that guaranteed $$ and how well the team happens to be doing. We won with him and without him already this season, we were in the midst of a tough divisional battle and Ramsey quit on his team in the middle of the season.... remember Vontae Davis retiring at halftime? It's about that bad. If he was so concerned about his contract and wanted to be a sideshow he should have done it in the offseason.
(10-17-2019, 12:39 PM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ]So what's the point of having great locker room guys if they don't, ya know, make the locker room better?
What do you not understand (I get it.... understanding things is hard) that some people just aren't gonna change. Guys like Ramsey will never change, no matter how many boy scouts you put around him.
You just like the attention you're getting that mommy never gave you I get it.
But you sound like a fool every time you type this sort of nonsense.
(10-17-2019, 12:50 PM)Perkolater Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2019, 12:17 PM)D-Money Wrote: [ -> ]If Ramsey would have got a contract earlier he wouldn't have acted out like that.
Maybe if he wasn't a problem in the locker room and didn't go rogue on the field so often he would have gotten that contract.
When has Ngakoue been anything other than professional here? Where is his new deal,?
(10-17-2019, 12:53 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (10-17-2019, 12:08 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]"Culture"
such an overplayed word.
we were told the change happened when we got rid of Gus and got rid of the "losing culture"
And everyone bought it when we went 10-6
Now the culture still needs changing, or changing again?
insert eye roll here
Remember how winning the last game against Indy in 2011 was supposed to instill a winning culture?
Pffft.
The only thing that instills a winning culture is winning. The only way to win is to have good talent and good coaching.
A team can be full of [BLEEP], but if they win every week, no one cares they are [BLEEP].
It can be full of good guys (the Gene Smith approach) and no one gives a crap they are good guys if you're losing.
That's the simplest way I can think of it.
This whole "culture" thing is a weird talking point imo. Buzz words that mean jack pappy