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Fournette is trash and I’ll take whatever we can get, but I sure as hell don’t buy this whole “locker room problem” thing that’s being fed to us by media/organization. I see it as a coaching issue, there’s no way all these guys ended up being soooo bad in the locker room. Doesn’t add up imo.

I don’t like the stuff he puts out on Twitter either, but for what he’s going to cost us this season, I’d keep him around and then say goodbye.

We’re not gong to get much in a trade and if we let him go now we’d just be spending a draft pick on someone of similar ability.

Save that draft pick to fill an actual need instead.

(04-19-2020, 02:43 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette is trash and I’ll take whatever we can get, but I sure as hell don’t buy this whole “locker room problem” thing that’s being fed to us by media/organization. I see it as a coaching issue, there’s no way all these guys ended up being soooo bad in the locker room. Doesn’t add up imo.

Do you not remember Fournette getting in fights while being a captain and having his guarantees un-guaranteed? 

Telvin taking a personal foul while returning an interception and then post game declaring he would take one every time someone challenged him? 

Do I even need to start with Ramsey? 

They led the league in personal fouls by a wide margin in 2018 IIRC. It was a national story.

Good. If we can get another 5th round pick, it would help to trade up.

Swift, Taylor, Akers, CEH, JK Dobbins Zach Moss, AJ Dillon, Lamical Perine...some good RB available between rounds 2 and 5.

Dobbins is my favorite, reminds me MJD

You guys better think twice about being so eager to dump Fournette.

It is far from guaranteed any rookie we draft will be able to produce the over 1600 yards combined rushing and receiving Fournette did last year.

I won't even get into blitz pickup, especially in this environment.

(04-19-2020, 05:39 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]You guys better think twice about being so eager to dump Fournette.

It is far from guaranteed any rookie we draft will be able to produce the over 1600 yards combined rushing and receiving Fournette did last year.

I won't even get into blitz pickup, especially in this environment.

Not every yard is equal. I see Fournette as a consumer of good offensive production. The line has to play well and open holes, Fournette doesn't produce above the X's and O's, so to speak. Never pay a production consumer, and trade them for value if you can, keep the actual producers, guys like Allen Robinson, who the team foolishly let walk for nothing at all.

We’ll draft DeeJay Dallas as his replacement.

(04-18-2020, 10:52 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-18-2020, 10:21 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry dude. Not a chance.

A 2nd rounder for a back who’s average? They’ll be lucky to get a 5th. 

This is just another example of this board over valuing the wrong players on this team.

What were your odds of getting a 4th for Foles? Most here (myself included) thought we'd have to give up a 4th or higher to trade Foles.

QB is always different.

Just look at how the league views RBs.

(04-18-2020, 06:08 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ]If that's true, my dream of getting Cam Akers in the second round could come to fruition.  I know a lot of fans think RB isn't a priority, but I believe it is - if you look at it from the position of scoring. Fournette scored a ton in his rookie year, but hasn't scored much since.

We need RBs who can put the ball in the end zone. That's why Fournette was drafted.

I Concur on the scoring sentiment but I'd like to keep LF27, draft an play making RB to pair him/w. Leonard is needed on our team in my opinion. 

I say No to Can as well. Time Will Tell.

NH3...

(04-19-2020, 02:43 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette is trash and I’ll take whatever we can get, but I sure as hell don’t buy this whole “locker room problem” thing that’s being fed to us by media/organization. I see it as a coaching issue, there’s no way all these guys ended up being soooo bad in the locker room. Doesn’t add up imo.

I'd like to see us trade him to the Steelers for a 3rd rounder.  He'd be great behind their driving OLine and, since we're forever in rebuilding mode, we further tank for Trevor Lawrence.

I hope he gets traded to a team that we play and destroys us. #becausejaguars.

Weird hope.

(04-19-2020, 07:25 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 05:39 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]You guys better think twice about being so eager to dump Fournette.

It is far from guaranteed any rookie we draft will be able to produce the over 1600 yards combined rushing and receiving Fournette did last year.

I won't even get into blitz pickup, especially in this environment.

Not every yard is equal. I see Fournette as a consumer of good offensive production. The line has to play well and open holes, Fournette doesn't produce above the X's and O's, so to speak. Never pay a production consumer, and trade them for value if you can, keep the actual producers, guys like Allen Robinson, who the team foolishly let walk for nothing at all.

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Considering the team is bent on letting ALL of its producers walk (some without even finishing their rookie contracts), then you let a "consumer" of production like Cam Robinson walk, what is left worth keeping?  What is the net result for the team?

BTW, your characterization of Fournette as a "consumer" of other players production is interesting, considering most here consider our offensive line akin to a disaster area, have no TE, and one good WR in Chark.

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(04-19-2020, 08:25 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 02:43 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette is trash and I’ll take whatever we can get, but I sure as hell don’t buy this whole “locker room problem” thing that’s being fed to us by media/organization. I see it as a coaching issue, there’s no way all these guys ended up being soooo bad in the locker room. Doesn’t add up imo.

I'd like to see us trade him to the Steelers for a 3rd rounder.  He'd be great behind their driving OLine and, since we're forever in rebuilding mode, we further tank for Trevor Lawrence.

He would be a great fit in Pittsburgh and an upgrade over Connor.

The last 3 jersey's I've bought are literally Foles, Ramsey, and Fournette. Gonna be real careful about the next one I choose. Definitely *not* going to be Minshew, lol.

(04-19-2020, 08:16 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-18-2020, 06:08 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ]If that's true, my dream of getting Cam Akers in the second round could come to fruition.  I know a lot of fans think RB isn't a priority, but I believe it is - if you look at it from the position of scoring. Fournette scored a ton in his rookie year, but hasn't scored much since.

We need RBs who can put the ball in the end zone. That's why Fournette was drafted.

I Concur on the scoring sentiment but I'd like to keep LF27, draft an play making RB to pair him/w. Leonard is needed on our team in my opinion. 

I say No to Can as well. Time Will Tell.

NH3...

FL27 could not accept sharing time with another back. That would turn out to be another lockerroom disaster.

(04-19-2020, 09:13 AM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 08:16 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]I Concur on the scoring sentiment but I'd like to keep LF27, draft an play making RB to pair him/w. Leonard is needed on our team in my opinion. 

I say No to Can as well. Time Will Tell.

NH3...

FL27 could not accept sharing time with another back. That would turn out to be another lockerroom disaster.

What is this based upon?

He shared with Yeldon back in 2017.

(04-19-2020, 09:10 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]The last 3 jersey's I've bought are literally Foles, Ramsey, and Fournette. Gonna be real careful about the next one I choose. Definitely *not* going to be Minshew, lol.

Or.... don’t buy jerseys.

If you are in favor of giving LF a second contract, then maybe you could make a case that we should not trade him.  

But if you are not in favor of giving him a second contract, then since he is on the last year of his deal, and we probably aren't going to the playoffs this year, coupled with the fact that he is openly campaigning to replace our starting QB, then trading him makes perfect sense.  

I just find it profoundly irritating that our starting RB would be out there saying we should hire a different starting QB than the one we have.  Way to support your teammate, Leonard.   Personally, I would give him a big [BLEEP] you and send him on his way.  We don't need that from a guy who isn't going to be here after this season anyway.

(04-19-2020, 03:05 AM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-19-2020, 02:43 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette is trash and I’ll take whatever we can get, but I sure as hell don’t buy this whole “locker room problem” thing that’s being fed to us by media/organization. I see it as a coaching issue, there’s no way all these guys ended up being soooo bad in the locker room. Doesn’t add up imo.

Do you not remember Fournette getting in fights while being a captain and having his guarantees un-guaranteed? 

Telvin taking a personal foul while returning an interception and then post game declaring he would take one every time someone challenged him? 

Do I even need to start with Ramsey? 

They led the league in personal fouls by a wide margin in 2018 IIRC. It was a national story.

True, but he was a rookie then. I don’t know, maybe they had a bad locker room but it just seems like too much blame is being put on all these players being “bad apples”. No blame going to Marrone and staff. Personal fouls imo is a complete coaching thing so I disagree with you there. Not saying there was no locker room issue like with Jalen, but it’s being spinned that we had these TERRIBLE guys in the locker room.. and I just am not buying it.

Winning solves everything.