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Of the teams interested, the Chiefs make the most sense. Fournette would be a beast in that system. We all know Fournette needs a lane to gain momentum, with Mahomes and all those outside weapons he won't see stacked boxes at all. Would be a nice fantasy pick up if that happens.
(04-19-2020, 12:33 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (04-19-2020, 12:23 PM)D-Money Wrote: [ -> ]I still don't believe you answered his question. This is the problem with everyone we had traded away. We are giving away playing who are producing at there current positions. Yan, LF, Bouye, Arob, Ramsey, TGip all good players but we dont have anyone that will step in a replace the production. We have had high draft picks for the last 15 years and have only really had a solid team of all pro caliber players in our 2016, 2017 years.
High draft picks are not guaranteed if you pick the wrong players like Caldwell has done so many times. The fact that everyone feels we can replicate the production from all our good players is the reason why we are in the current situation, Dave Caldwell believes the same thing but it is not working. Every player on the team from our most successfull season can't have been a cancer. There are multiple teams with players with character flaws and issues but the COACHES and FO understand how to deal with them and get what they need to get. You telling me, he had to get rid of everyone from the winning team? Dave and Doug couldn't handle it. Whose to say that this same thing doesn't happen again in a year or 2? Will they do the same thing?
Dave Doug and Shad are either reallly stupid or very smart in the way of making the team worse but still having majority of the fans agreeing with all of the moves that are being made. Maybe they are trying to get us to London..smh
The salary cap is the problem, namely the bad QB management made it so that they couldn't keep the team together. Let's say they draft Mahomes instead of Fournette, then the team never does a bad deal with Bortles, and never follows that with an even worse deal for Foles. Then the team probably won a Superbowl in 2017 instead of coming up short because of a QB you can't count on, and all the guys you mentioned are still here because most of the cap isn't being taken up by a couple of horrific QB contracts.
In the NFL you can't keep everyone when you do things right, when you do things as wrong as the Jaguars have then you really can't keep everyone.
So while draft picks aren't guaranteed, I'd rather go ahead and build toward the future now instead of worrying about whether the team wins 5 games or 7 games this year.
What make people like you misinform and reactionary because y'all make blatant statement and presented as facts. I'm just tired of people like you that said we had Mahomes or Watson we wouldn't be in this situation as if the problems on this team don't go beyond player personnel.
If we was to have Mahomes as our quarterback right now do we get Andy Reid too and all the weapons that's in Kansas City? It's like we ignore the fact that we have a bad coaching staff here in Jacksonville and we had a bad coaching staff here in Jacksonville for quite some time. What about Doug Marrone or anybody else on this coaching staff has a history of developing players especially at the QB position? We need to stop living in Fantasyland and acting like we can plug-in players from other teams and put them in our situation and everything would have been all right because of it. I'm sorry to tell you that my friend but that's not how the world works
(04-19-2020, 04:53 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-19-2020, 12:33 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]The salary cap is the problem, namely the bad QB management made it so that they couldn't keep the team together. Let's say they draft Mahomes instead of Fournette, then the team never does a bad deal with Bortles, and never follows that with an even worse deal for Foles. Then the team probably won a Superbowl in 2017 instead of coming up short because of a QB you can't count on, and all the guys you mentioned are still here because most of the cap isn't being taken up by a couple of horrific QB contracts.
In the NFL you can't keep everyone when you do things right, when you do things as wrong as the Jaguars have then you really can't keep everyone.
So while draft picks aren't guaranteed, I'd rather go ahead and build toward the future now instead of worrying about whether the team wins 5 games or 7 games this year.
What make people like you misinform and reactionary because y'all make blatant statement and presented as facts. I'm just tired of people like you that said we had Mahomes or Watson we wouldn't be in this situation as if the problems on this team don't go beyond player personnel.
If we was to have Mahomes as our quarterback right now do we get Andy Reid too and all the weapons that's in Kansas City? It's like we ignore the fact that we have a bad coaching staff here in Jacksonville and we had a bad coaching staff here in Jacksonville for quite some time. What about Doug Marrone or anybody else on this coaching staff has a history of developing players especially at the QB position? We need to stop living in Fantasyland and acting like we can plug-in players from other teams and put them in our situation and everything would have been all right because of it. I'm sorry to tell you that my friend but that's not how the world works
How is your boy Bortles doing?
Leopold is back! All is right with the world again.
I agree with you, Leopold, 100% right.
(04-19-2020, 04:58 PM)uthill Wrote: [ -> ] (04-19-2020, 04:53 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]What make people like you misinform and reactionary because y'all make blatant statement and presented as facts. I'm just tired of people like you that said we had Mahomes or Watson we wouldn't be in this situation as if the problems on this team don't go beyond player personnel.
If we was to have Mahomes as our quarterback right now do we get Andy Reid too and all the weapons that's in Kansas City? It's like we ignore the fact that we have a bad coaching staff here in Jacksonville and we had a bad coaching staff here in Jacksonville for quite some time. What about Doug Marrone or anybody else on this coaching staff has a history of developing players especially at the QB position? We need to stop living in Fantasyland and acting like we can plug-in players from other teams and put them in our situation and everything would have been all right because of it. I'm sorry to tell you that my friend but that's not how the world works
How is your boy Bortles doing?
If that's the best rebuttal you you can have towards me then you are being childish if not cartoonish as a person. Blake failed and was a bust here and I had admit that I was wrong on him and move on from it. Let me throw a clown question at you my man where is all the Nick Foles love now that he didn't make it with this franchise either and if some of y'all going to have the same type of love for Gardner Minshew once he's not the quarterback for our team two years from now?
(04-19-2020, 05:26 PM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]Leopold is back! All is right with the world again.
I agree with you, Leopold, 100% right.
How you doing my man I haven't been nowhere just going back to school trying to get an education a four-year University so my time is limited. Although, I stand strong in my convictions and have my share of disagreement with people on here but one thing about me I have love for everyone and want this team to reach the ultimate destination as a Jaguar fan.
I don't think Fournette's running style has fit our offense. He is a traditional I back. If we are going to keep him we need to get him a real FB. Which is why I think we should trade him.
(04-19-2020, 05:51 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Fournette's running style has fit our offense. He is a traditional I back. If we are going to keep him we need to get him a real FB. Which is why I think we should trade him.
His style doesn't fit the NFL, he cannot run from shotgun or single back formations
(04-19-2020, 06:01 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (04-19-2020, 05:51 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Fournette's running style has fit our offense. He is a traditional I back. If we are going to keep him we need to get him a real FB. Which is why I think we should trade him.
His style doesn't fit the NFL, he cannot run from shotgun or single back formations
He is definitely a throw back. You have to build around his style.
(04-19-2020, 05:30 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-19-2020, 05:26 PM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]Leopold is back! All is right with the world again.
I agree with you, Leopold, 100% right.
How you doing my man I haven't been nowhere just going back to school trying to get an education a four-year University so my time is limited. Although, I stand strong in my convictions and have my share of disagreement with people on here but one thing about me I have love for everyone and want this team to reach the ultimate destination as a Jaguar fan.
Good for you, congratulations on making that effort. Always good to hear your perspective on things.
(04-19-2020, 06:41 PM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ] (04-19-2020, 05:30 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]How you doing my man I haven't been nowhere just going back to school trying to get an education a four-year University so my time is limited. Although, I stand strong in my convictions and have my share of disagreement with people on here but one thing about me I have love for everyone and want this team to reach the ultimate destination as a Jaguar fan.
Good for you, congratulations on making that effort. Always good to hear your perspective on things.
Thank you for the kind words my man I truly appreciate you
(04-19-2020, 06:01 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (04-19-2020, 05:51 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Fournette's running style has fit our offense. He is a traditional I back. If we are going to keep him we need to get him a real FB. Which is why I think we should trade him.
His style doesn't fit the NFL, he cannot run from shotgun or single back formations
He can run from a shotgun just fine. He also led the team in receptions even though we had a Pro Bowl WR.
(04-19-2020, 07:08 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-19-2020, 06:01 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]His style doesn't fit the NFL, he cannot run from shotgun or single back formations
He can run from a shotgun just fine. He also led the team in receptions even though we had a Pro Bowl WR.
one of the least efficient shotgun runners in the league , he was bad at it in college too
Makes the draft interesting. Told you all last year and the year before. I liked Sony Michel and Josh Jacobs. Would have been adequate replacements.
I think ideally they will work out a trade with him anc Ngakoue. And I simply cannot see Caldwell sitting on multiple picks between RD4 - RD6.
They could easily move back up at some point or stand still and draft two RB's in this draft. Would be fine with a combination of players. Swift and Taylor at 20 now comes into play. Akers in RD2 or RD3 comes into play.
I would look at McFarland Jr., Warren and Dillon too.
(04-19-2020, 07:24 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Makes the draft interesting. Told you all last year and the year before. I liked Sony Michel and Josh Jacobs. Would have been adequate replacements. Injury concerns and maturity concerns early with him were enough to turn me away from him.
I think ideally they will work out a trade with him anc Ngakoue. And I simply cannot see Caldwell sitting on multiple picks between RD4 - RD6.
They could easily move back up at some point or stand still and draft two RB's in this draft. Would be fine with a combination of players. Swift and Taylor at 20 now comes into play. Akers in RD2 or RD3 comes into play.
I would look at McFarland Jr., Warren and Dillon too.
(04-19-2020, 07:08 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-19-2020, 06:01 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]His style doesn't fit the NFL, he cannot run from shotgun or single back formations
He can run from a shotgun just fine. He also led the team in receptions even though we had a Pro Bowl WR.
He can, but he still does best with a blocking back. He did step up as a reciever, but her wasn't drafted to be a reciever.
Jags have had Leonard Fournette trade talks for month
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...-for-month
Leonard Fournette has been the center of trade talks for the Jaguars for more than a month, but, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport said, Jacksonville circled back with teams over the last three days.
Really...I don't care one way or the other. I don't think he's a great running back, but conversely I think there are a lot of people that undervalue him on this board.
If they can't get a decent deal, I think you hold onto him this year.
(04-20-2020, 09:50 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]Really...I don't care one way or the other. I don't think he's a great running back, but conversely I think there are a lot of people that undervalue him on this board.
If they can't get a decent deal, I think you hold onto him this year.
Yes, hold out for a 3rd rounder. If not, run him into the ground this year so Armstead, Ozigbo, and others who might compete in 2021 are fresh.
(04-19-2020, 05:51 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Fournette's running style has fit our offense. He is a traditional I back. If we are going to keep him we need to get him a real FB. Which is why I think we should trade him.
He was a great fit 2 years ago when we went to the AFC Championship game.
Perhaps he's just not a good fit for the imploding mentality the Jags have.
(04-20-2020, 10:56 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (04-19-2020, 05:51 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Fournette's running style has fit our offense. He is a traditional I back. If we are going to keep him we need to get him a real FB. Which is why I think we should trade him.
He was a great fit 2 years ago when we went to the AFC Championship game.
Perhaps he's just not a good fit for the imploding mentality the Jags have.
It seemed to work two years ago, but that doesn't mean it was actually a good fit. Advanced metrics said he wasn't good, in hindsight it looks like they were probably signaling reality.
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