Big picture I think they did some nice things.
We don't seem to have any position group where we're an injury away from starting UDFAs or street FAs like last year with TE, C, and S.
All the defensive players save for Henderson are at least average if not excellent against the run.
I have a feeling the defense will be much more assignment sound going forward.
That alone probably would've garnered 1-2 more wins last year.
As for the picks, I would've taken one of the tackles at 9 and tried to trade back up for a decent corner in the 2nd/3rd with an eye on 2021 for my lockdown guy. Possibly an OG that can compete with one of the 4ths as well but maybe that's Bartch.
I'll say B-
(04-26-2020, 02:07 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2020, 02:02 AM)TheBmanCometh Wrote: [ -> ]C+ to B-. I think we had safer picks available at 9 and 20. You gotta hit on this first rounders, something Caldwell has only done once while he's been in charge of drafting. The Shenault pick fills a need but the injury history scares me. So kinda weak there too. I like the Hamilton and Bartch picks a lot. Hamilton seems like he's gonna be a decent one technique lineman, something this team obviously needs. Bartch seems like he could develop. He at least provides some depth. I'm fine with all the other picks except the TE, from what I read just seemed like a reach. Really nothing stand out in this draft for me as a homerun. The first three guys have high ceilings, but also pretty low floors and some injury concerns. In a draft this heavy with a team this bad, I just would've played it safer. I would've gone Kinlaw or Wirfs at 9, Jefferson at 20, Epenesa at 42. Can't wait for y'all to hate on me now. Much love, cya.
Who would you have went with at CB? That was by far our biggest need besides DT.
That's a very valid question. Would've hopefully addressed it later in the draft. This team has so many holes I'd just take the BAP at a position of need. Which is almost every position. I think the guys I mentioned had much higher floors then the ones they took and far less health concerns. I think CJ can be solid, but I think it was just a bad pick given the slot we were in. A single draft isn't going to fix this team, but I think we could've done better. 2021 is supposed to be much deeper at CB than this year's crop, so I'd be hoping to pick one early that year. Thanks for the reply.
Corn.
I give the Jaguars a Corn.
C+ for the actual draft but the udfa class was enough to bring it up to B+
1 C.J. Henderson A
1 EDGE K'Lavon Chaisson B+
2 WR Laviska Shenaul B+
3 DL DaVon Hamilton B-
4 OT Ben Bartch A
4 CB Josiah Scott C
4 LB Shaquille Quartermam C+
5 S Daniel Thomas D
5 WR Collin Johnson B-
6 QB Jake Luton C
6 TE Tyler Davis C
7 CB Chris Claybrooks D
Overall : B
The draft season is one of the most fun times of the year, and grading the draft is also fun, with the proviso that what we're really grading is whether the team picked the players we wanted. For some of you, a little more self-awareness would be warranted. Or putting it in a more positive way- some of you have an enviable amount of self-confidence.
Here's the way I look at it:
I like the way we spend our first round picks on highly rated players at premium positions that also filled a need.
I also like the fact that we apparently focused a lot on character. Let's face it, we've had a lot of problems with knuckleheads and me-me-me guys. All the guys we drafted are high-character, hard-working, team-oriented players.
My two favorite picks are Chaisson and Hamilton. Chaisson because you can never have too many pass rushers and from what I have seen and heard, he is tremendously talented. Chad Reuter said, "Chaisson at 20 is a steal. He has the elite bend, length, get-off and strength to be a sack-master for the Jags. Getting the draft's second-best edge rusher at No. 20 does not happen very often." Chaisson is my most favorite pick.
I liked the Hamilton pick because we had a very dire need to stop the run, and from all reports, he was the second best run stuffing DT available. We were 4-4 last year, and we then lost 5 straight games, mostly because we could not stop the run at all. It was really horrible.
My least favorite picks are Chenault and Bartch. Chenault is an interesting pick, but he's going to need some coaching on how to play WR. It's not his fault, but Colorado lined him up at so many different positions that he never had a chance to focus on the finer points of WR.
Bartch is division III player, and that's a huge jump up to the NFL. I don't think Bartch will be ready to play for some time.
I think we looked for diamonds in the rough late in the draft, and we might have found one in Tyler Davis. But how should I know? All these players look great on highlight tapes.
Overall, I give our draft an A+. Why not? We won't know for at least 3 years whether this was a good or bad draft, so any grade is as good as another.
Best draft ever, till it isn't.
A all the way.
When you grade an NFL draft, youre literally grading the first three rounds of that draft in my opinion. Rounds four through seven are depth selections even though you may find an gem or two within these rounds. I like others grades the selections on personal likings especially those of us that gives bad grades w/respect to the selections. Play on the field will truly determime our 2020 NFL draft class grade. All others are opinions to which we all are entitled to. Even the front office to which has much more knowledge of the situation than we the fans.
A all the way.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
Glanced at five team grades from SI, Sporting News, NY Post, and forgot the other two; all gave Jags A to A-. Which surprised me.
Disappointed there was no trading up with draft capital.
No interest in Yann or Fournette..... Come on! Caldwell needs to get off his [BLEEP] and make some calls. I dont see him as a respected NFL GM. I just dont think people want to work with him. He appears to have few, if any, relationships in the league.
My grde: B Thought they should have grabbed a RB earlier.
(04-26-2020, 08:14 AM)Rockman1966 Wrote: [ -> ]Glanced at five team grades from SI, Sporting News, NY Post, and forgot the other two; all gave Jags A to A-. Which surprised me.
Disappointed there was no trading up with draft capital.
No interest in Yann or Fournette..... Come on! Caldwell needs to get off his [BLEEP] and make some calls. I dont see him as a respected NFL GM. I just dont think people want to work with him. He appears to have few, if any, relationships in the league.
My grde: B Thought they should have grabbed a RB earlier.
Bruh.... you realize they dont just hand out 12 picks right?
I like filling desperate need at CB and NT. Even though the value was not ideal at those spots.
I like getting high value players like Chaisson, Shenault, Bartch, and Johnson.
I did not understand the timing of Scott and Quarterman, but I do like them as players.
Know nothing about Thomas, Luton, Davis, Claybrooks.
I’ll go with a B. Good job filling needs mediocre job at maximizing value.
I'd say B/B+.
We get a premier CB prospect in Henderson, which the team needs for Wash to run his defense. I like Chaisson for the talk of having more 3-4 looks so I think this is a great pick. He's got a lot of growing to do, but pairing his athleticism with Allen's shows the picture that the FO has in mind with the defense. Not a bad picture at all. Then my favorite pick, Shenault. Hopefully, he can stay healthy.
To me the first three picks are players with athleticism and traits that this team needed to improve its talent level. So I think the talent level on this team went up. As far as HB goes, I'm guessing they like Armstead and feel they can bring in guys easily if they trade Fournette. Seems to be what some fans think about the position.
(04-26-2020, 08:14 AM)Rockman1966 Wrote: [ -> ]Glanced at five team grades from SI, Sporting News, NY Post, and forgot the other two; all gave Jags A to A-. Which surprised me.
Disappointed there was no trading up with draft capital.
No interest in Yann or Fournette..... Come on! Caldwell needs to get off his [BLEEP] and make some calls. I dont see him as a respected NFL GM. I just dont think people want to work with him. He appears to have few, if any, relationships in the league.
My grde: B Thought they should have grabbed a RB earlier.
I'm not a big Caldwell fan, but that's not on him. Yann and his camp are just pricing him way out of what teams want to pay. As for Fournette, I think teams are just waiting for him to get cut. It's the smart thing for teams to do. Why trade anything. If the Jags want to get rid of him that bad just wait until he's cut. He probably has no market.
No idea how it'll turn out, but the obvious need based selections make me cringe. Maybe it works out, but the chances of actually replacing Ramsey and Yann are very low, so selecting based on who you lost, then reaching for receiver at the end of a run that cleaned out a lot of talent from that group seems very stupid. My guess is in 3-4 years with a new GM finally here we'll be talking about how drafts in 2020 and 2021 with so much promise from so many high picks turned out so bad.
Needs based drafting is a fool's errand. The Jags are at best mediocre at every position, except Josh Allen and Chark. There's no reason to even take what you already have on your roster into account, the draft is about what your team will be in 2-3 years, not what it will be this year, and that's why the great teams like the Packers and Steelers only have short times of relatively poor play before returning to contender status and teams like the Jags have twenty years of almost uninterrupted futility.
(04-25-2020, 09:23 PM)fredalwaysajag Wrote: [ -> ]I grade the draft based on how unfamiliar I am with the picks. And for me? I give it a A+ +
So, you don't watch Power 5 NCAA football (Florida, LSU, Colorado, Ohio State, Texas, Miami, Auburn, Michigan State, Oregon State, Ga Tech) ?
We had 12...count 'em 12 picks!
Should have done better . C+
(04-26-2020, 08:32 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2020, 08:14 AM)Rockman1966 Wrote: [ -> ]Glanced at five team grades from SI, Sporting News, NY Post, and forgot the other two; all gave Jags A to A-. Which surprised me.
Disappointed there was no trading up with draft capital.
No interest in Yann or Fournette..... Come on! Caldwell needs to get off his [BLEEP] and make some calls. I dont see him as a respected NFL GM. I just dont think people want to work with him. He appears to have few, if any, relationships in the league.
My grde: B Thought they should have grabbed a RB earlier.
Bruh.... you realize they dont just hand out 12 picks right?
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(04-26-2020, 09:15 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]No idea how it'll turn out, but the obvious need based selections make me cringe. Maybe it works out, but the chances of actually replacing Ramsey and Yann are very low, so selecting based on who you lost, then reaching for receiver at the end of a run that cleaned out a lot of talent from that group seems very stupid. My guess is in 3-4 years with a new GM finally here we'll be talking about how drafts in 2020 and 2021 with so much promise from so many high picks turned out so bad.
Needs based drafting is a fool's errand. The Jags are at best mediocre at every position, except Josh Allen and Chark. There's no reason to even take what you already have on your roster into account, the draft is about what your team will be in 2-3 years, not what it will be this year, and that's why the great teams like the Packers and Steelers only have short times of relatively poor play before returning to contender status and teams like the Jags have twenty years of almost uninterrupted futility.
What if I told you all of the first 3 picks were all on the top of their board as well as being needs?
No offense but I don't think you know what you're are talking about here. Shenault certainly wasn't a reach
C-
Was it just me, or did it seem painfully obvious that this was Caldwell's last draft for the Jacksonville Jaguars? His picks weren't bad per-se. But they definitely felt like they weren't building toward something. It felt like they were trying desperately to patch some things up. Maybe it's just me, though. If I were to grade on the players talents alone, it'd probably get a higher grade. The individual player grades would probably average out above a B or so, but I think it's obvious Caldwell isn't building toward something, and I think that's a mistake in the long run. Good players, no planning.
Not good, not good at all. The Packers get the gold medal for clear worst draft, and we're right in that next tier with a handful of other teams fighting for the podium. We got a bunch of guys with upside but they're so raw they won't help much at all this year. The silver lining is we didn't do hardly anything to help us this year so the tank for Trevor path got easier as other competitors for him got better.
Henderson was like the 5th or 6th best player on the board when we took them. Dave reached for a need when there were better players that could have also filled major needs like LT because he is so stubborn he refuses to give up on his obvious busts.
People keep saying we got a steal with Chaisson cause he was mocked to the Cowboys at 17 at lot. He wasn't a top 20 player in the draft he was just part of that huge next tier after the gigantic top 15-16 drop off. Teams saw the Cowboys had a huge need at DE so they put Chaisson there a bunch. They also put Mckinney there a ton and look where he went. We got an extremely raw dude who if we develop him perfectly might be starter worthy in a couple of years. Jefferson had started to emerge as a guy who belonged in that top tier and we could and should have taken him at 20.
Shenault was probably our second best pick. He is at least ready to do some damage when he gets the ball in his hands, but it's not going to be easy to do that with his raw route running and penchant for being in the medical room. He can probably give us a few useful manufactured touches a game though.
Hamilton will do his role, it's just not an in demand role and we paid for it as if it was. You can find Al Woods' who have spent a decade wrecking the run for 2 million in the 2nd week of FA every year. If we had taken him with one of the 4th rounders it would have been a great pick.
Bartch was the best pick of the draft. He has the feet to play left tackle if the short arms don't force a move, and the strength and toughness to play guard if they do. Scott profiles as a fine slot corner eventually but just like drafting relievers in baseball it's incredibly easy to turn failed outside corners into good slot corners. Not awful but the pick could have been used on a solid OL like Muti or a better corner like Hall or Robinson. Collin Johnson could be an ok red zone weapon but meh. The rest of the draft will be out of the league in a few years.