(12-12-2022, 08:53 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022, 08:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The thing you are referring to where you didn't actually prove anything at all except that you like to whine and moan is in the other Trevor thread, you dumb [BLEEP]
No one deleted your sad attempt to play the victim.
You told me nobody said i was ozjohnnie, i posted multiple screen shots on this thread in response proving it and you tucked tail and delete your post and mine.
You're just a narcasist who cannot handle being wrong. grow up.
Can y'all just get a ruler, do the comparison and then move on? We're tryin' to talk football here, lol.
(12-12-2022, 09:16 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm about to issue you both warnings for derailing this thread. So let's get it back on track. T law is hovering right around 10 in every major statistical category for QBs in only his seconds year. I didn't think his jump would be quite this significant in year 2. It's been amazing. Can't imagine what he'll look like with a few better players around him and his second year in the same system next year.
Yeah - I'm very excited to see this offense in its second year under Pederson.
Trevor/ETN/Ridley/Kirk/Zay seems like it may be a dynamic group. I hope they can keep Engram in the mix.
(12-12-2022, 10:09 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022, 08:53 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]You told me nobody said i was ozjohnnie, i posted multiple screen shots on this thread in response proving it and you tucked tail and delete your post and mine.
You're just a narcasist who cannot handle being wrong. grow up.
Can y'all just get a ruler, do the comparison and then move on? We're tryin' to talk football here, lol.
Yeah i'ma just ignorem from now on, it's gotten old. Everytime I say anything even possitive it's "L0L BUT U SAID THEY SUCK LOLO". But I'll be quiet on it for ya.
(12-12-2022, 10:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022, 09:16 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm about to issue you both warnings for derailing this thread. So let's get it back on track. T law is hovering right around 10 in every major statistical category for QBs in only his seconds year. I didn't think his jump would be quite this significant in year 2. It's been amazing. Can't imagine what he'll look like with a few better players around him and his second year in the same system next year.
Yeah - I'm very excited to see this offense in its second year under Pederson.
Trevor/ETN/Ridley/Kirk/Zay seems like it may be a dynamic group. I hope they can keep Engram in the mix.
If my guy comes back in form, this is going to be a [BLEEP] dangerous team. These last few weeks(not Detroit) have given us a glimpse of what is to come and man does it look beautiful.
I have a feeling that once we hit the end of that rookie deal for Trevor, we are going to have to break a record on his contract. But hell, if he is at that level I will be thrilled.
I think we did it the right way boys. We didn’t break the bank for a rapist or go all in on a aged vet or retread, we sucked(for a while) and the stars aligned for us to take a extremely talented high character guy who checks every box(for most lol) with the first pick.
Our time is coming boys
(12-12-2022, 10:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022, 09:16 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm about to issue you both warnings for derailing this thread. So let's get it back on track. T law is hovering right around 10 in every major statistical category for QBs in only his seconds year. I didn't think his jump would be quite this significant in year 2. It's been amazing. Can't imagine what he'll look like with a few better players around him and his second year in the same system next year.
Yeah - I'm very excited to see this offense in its second year under Pederson.
Trevor/ETN/Ridley/Kirk/Zay seems like it may be a dynamic group. I hope they can keep Engram in the mix.
The thought of Ridley in this offense is exciting. Ridley/Kirk/Zay may not be Smith/McCardell but it'll potentially be the closest we've come since then.
(12-12-2022, 11:28 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022, 10:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah - I'm very excited to see this offense in its second year under Pederson.
Trevor/ETN/Ridley/Kirk/Zay seems like it may be a dynamic group. I hope they can keep Engram in the mix.
The thought of Ridley in this offense is exciting. Ridley/Kirk/Zay may not be Smith/McCardell but it'll potentially be the closest we've come since then.
Glad to see Ridley on Twitter talkin about the jags, lookin like he might be in a better mental state. Hope he comes here and plays his best ball cause he's electric.
Here's why I think Baalke should be held accountable and perhaps be let go.
We are in such Cap Space Hell that we are gonna have to let go of really good team-mates that have helped us get where we are.
Offensively we may see the loss of Marvin Jones Jr and Jamal Agnew. Shatley has money that we could save on. On top of that Jawan Taylor, our RT, is due this off-season. And, by football gods, the dude is gonna have to get paid or we lose him.
And if that wasn't bad, our defense has players we really should be brining back but could be released to save on cap space as well. Baalke made a mess of our salary cap. And it could potentially derail our success next year. Smoot is up as a FA. Wingard is a FA, Jenkins (I know some people for whatever reason think he's expendable... HE IS NOT) is a potential cap casualty. We could get rid of Roberston-Harris, but the dude just proved he could be a playmaker.
All I'm saying is that the way our salary cap has been managed has resulted in these Jaguars, who clearly look like they are up and coming, may lose some very key players that have made us look like we're coming up. This offseason may be one that really could determine whether we are Super Bowl contenders or just Playoff contenders...
(12-13-2022, 09:54 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Here's why I think Baalke should be held accountable and perhaps be let go.
We are in such Cap Space Hell that we are gonna have to let go of really good team-mates that have helped us get where we are.
Offensively we may see the loss of Marvin Jones Jr and Jamal Agnew. Shatley has money that we could save on. On top of that Jawan Taylor, our RT, is due this off-season. And, by football gods, the dude is gonna have to get paid or we lose him.
And if that wasn't bad, our defense has players we really should be brining back but could be released to save on cap space as well. Baalke made a mess of our salary cap. And it could potentially derail our success next year. Smoot is up as a FA. Wingard is a FA, Jenkins (I know some people for whatever reason think he's expendable... HE IS NOT) is a potential cap casualty. We could get rid of Roberston-Harris, but the dude just proved he could be a playmaker.
All I'm saying is that the way our salary cap has been managed has resulted in these Jaguars, who clearly look like they are up and coming, may lose some very key players that have made us look like we're coming up. This offseason may be one that really could determine whether we are Super Bowl contenders or just Playoff contenders...
The good news is we don't exactly have a lot of high end talent that we need to worry about losing because other teams are trying to shower them with money this off season. Maybe Taylor, but other than him everyone else can either be signed to a low end contract (guys like Wingard), or be extended to reduce their number if the team wants to keep them (guys like Agnew).
(12-13-2022, 09:54 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Here's why I think Baalke should be held accountable and perhaps be let go.
We are in such Cap Space Hell that we are gonna have to let go of really good team-mates that have helped us get where we are.
Offensively we may see the loss of Marvin Jones Jr and Jamal Agnew. Shatley has money that we could save on. On top of that Jawan Taylor, our RT, is due this off-season. And, by football gods, the dude is gonna have to get paid or we lose him.
And if that wasn't bad, our defense has players we really should be brining back but could be released to save on cap space as well. Baalke made a mess of our salary cap. And it could potentially derail our success next year. Smoot is up as a FA. Wingard is a FA, Jenkins (I know some people for whatever reason think he's expendable... HE IS NOT) is a potential cap casualty. We could get rid of Roberston-Harris, but the dude just proved he could be a playmaker.
All I'm saying is that the way our salary cap has been managed has resulted in these Jaguars, who clearly look like they are up and coming, may lose some very key players that have made us look like we're coming up. This offseason may be one that really could determine whether we are Super Bowl contenders or just Playoff contenders...
Once again, good reason why you build through the darft. Many of the losses listed are average players that shouldn't be significant tasks to replace or improve. Two years ago, we had a nearly empty roster talent-wise and a big chunk of available space. I don't fault them for spending, but especially early on we saw little yield from our investments.
Poor darfting leading up to Baalke is just as big a reason why we're in this hole (capwise) as any failure fully attributable to TB. Chiasson should be a foundational piece. Henderson should be locking down the side opposite Campbell. If Allen hit, we'd have a monster playing for pennies on his fifth-year option. Instead, one will be getting reps on kick coverage, one is playing out his rookie deal on another team, and the other is essentially on a prove-it deal to convince us not to replace him. That will cripple any team looking to start fresh.
The cap hits and lack of cap mean we're gonna have to get creative to keep guys around or pursue improvement in their stead. It's not entirely the fault of TB, but he's not free of blame, either. Unfortunately, I think that the scenario we are in (established coach, QB, no cap) makes the job less appealing for any up and coming GM that wants to make a name for themselves. We'd probably be doing more harm than good giving TB the ax at this point in the build.
(12-12-2022, 11:28 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022, 10:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah - I'm very excited to see this offense in its second year under Pederson.
Trevor/ETN/Ridley/Kirk/Zay seems like it may be a dynamic group. I hope they can keep Engram in the mix.
The thought of Ridley in this offense is exciting. Ridley/Kirk/Zay may not be Smith/McCardell but it'll potentially be the closest we've come since then.
Not to mention Agnew. He’s our KR star but he’s also a very capable WR when called upon.
(12-13-2022, 10:17 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 09:54 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Here's why I think Baalke should be held accountable and perhaps be let go.
We are in such Cap Space Hell that we are gonna have to let go of really good team-mates that have helped us get where we are.
Offensively we may see the loss of Marvin Jones Jr and Jamal Agnew. Shatley has money that we could save on. On top of that Jawan Taylor, our RT, is due this off-season. And, by football gods, the dude is gonna have to get paid or we lose him.
And if that wasn't bad, our defense has players we really should be brining back but could be released to save on cap space as well. Baalke made a mess of our salary cap. And it could potentially derail our success next year. Smoot is up as a FA. Wingard is a FA, Jenkins (I know some people for whatever reason think he's expendable... HE IS NOT) is a potential cap casualty. We could get rid of Roberston-Harris, but the dude just proved he could be a playmaker.
All I'm saying is that the way our salary cap has been managed has resulted in these Jaguars, who clearly look like they are up and coming, may lose some very key players that have made us look like we're coming up. This offseason may be one that really could determine whether we are Super Bowl contenders or just Playoff contenders...
The good news is we don't exactly have a lot of high end talent that we need to worry about losing because other teams are trying to shower them with money this off season. Maybe Taylor, but other than him everyone else can either be signed to a low end contract (guys like Wingard), or be extended to reduce their number if the team wants to keep them (guys like Agnew).
I hope you're right.
A guy like Marvin Jones Jr... Dude balled for us. And yeah, he's older and we're gonna have to let him go. But I hate that we have to. You're right that we don't have high end talent (at least not anything that's recognized nationaly). But that doesn't mean there aren't players we have that mean a helluva lot to our team's makeup. I just hope that the front office doesn't think that some of the soul of this team are expendable. Agnew on the offense/ST and Wingard on the defence/ST are not expendable. They should be given 2 year deals and let them play out this run.
(12-13-2022, 10:38 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 09:54 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Here's why I think Baalke should be held accountable and perhaps be let go.
We are in such Cap Space Hell that we are gonna have to let go of really good team-mates that have helped us get where we are.
Offensively we may see the loss of Marvin Jones Jr and Jamal Agnew. Shatley has money that we could save on. On top of that Jawan Taylor, our RT, is due this off-season. And, by football gods, the dude is gonna have to get paid or we lose him.
And if that wasn't bad, our defense has players we really should be brining back but could be released to save on cap space as well. Baalke made a mess of our salary cap. And it could potentially derail our success next year. Smoot is up as a FA. Wingard is a FA, Jenkins (I know some people for whatever reason think he's expendable... HE IS NOT) is a potential cap casualty. We could get rid of Roberston-Harris, but the dude just proved he could be a playmaker.
All I'm saying is that the way our salary cap has been managed has resulted in these Jaguars, who clearly look like they are up and coming, may lose some very key players that have made us look like we're coming up. This offseason may be one that really could determine whether we are Super Bowl contenders or just Playoff contenders...
Once again, good reason why you build through the darft. Many of the losses listed are average players that shouldn't be significant tasks to replace or improve. Two years ago, we had a nearly empty roster talent-wise and a big chunk of available space. I don't fault them for spending, but especially early on we saw little yield from our investments.
Poor darfting leading up to Baalke is just as big a reason why we're in this hole (capwise) as any failure fully attributable to TB. Chiasson should be a foundational piece. Henderson should be locking down the side opposite Campbell. If Allen hit, we'd have a monster playing for pennies on his fifth-year option. Instead, one will be getting reps on kick coverage, one is playing out his rookie deal on another team, and the other is essentially on a prove-it deal to convince us not to replace him. That will cripple any team looking to start fresh.
The cap hits and lack of cap mean we're gonna have to get creative to keep guys around or pursue improvement in their stead. It's not entirely the fault of TB, but he's not free of blame, either. Unfortunately, I think that the scenario we are in (established coach, QB, no cap) makes the job less appealing for any up and coming GM that wants to make a name for themselves. We'd probably be doing more harm than good giving TB the ax at this point in the build.
This is a great topic we'll have to discuss in the off-season....
(12-12-2022, 09:10 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022, 09:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Again - those posts were in another thread and no one deleted them. Do I need to give you a link??
LOL
And all you did was post a screenshot of a mod saying he wouldn't rule out the possibility of you posting under another screen name since you had already been caught with multiple logins.
Seems legit to me.
Also - you need to let this go and move on. Continuing to slander mods will probably result in problems for you - again.
Well according to FLS it's no problem since half the message board is my alts LOL. Whatever, you spin things the way you want to, he clearly called me OZjohnnie, it wasn't an assumption.
He didn't call you [BLEEP]. He just said he wasn't ruling out the possibility since you were already caught lying. Now quit being such a baby. You tortured the board for nearly 2 years and should just shut up about it or go away.
(12-13-2022, 11:24 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022, 11:28 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]The thought of Ridley in this offense is exciting. Ridley/Kirk/Zay may not be Smith/McCardell but it'll potentially be the closest we've come since then.
Not to mention Agnew. He’s our KR star but he’s also a very capable WR when called upon.
He's a nice piece of the puzzle for sure.
I love the way Doug has incorporated him. A nice mix of legit receiver routes and gadget plays.
I know some were down on my suggestion they don't overuse him in the offense to keep him healthy as a returner, but it does seem to be working out pretty well doing it that way. He has only risen above 20% of the offensive snaps in two games this year, but the impact he has made in 5 or 6 contests for the offense has been notable.
Very efficient usage and production.
(12-13-2022, 10:38 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 09:54 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Here's why I think Baalke should be held accountable and perhaps be let go.
We are in such Cap Space Hell that we are gonna have to let go of really good team-mates that have helped us get where we are.
Offensively we may see the loss of Marvin Jones Jr and Jamal Agnew. Shatley has money that we could save on. On top of that Jawan Taylor, our RT, is due this off-season. And, by football gods, the dude is gonna have to get paid or we lose him.
And if that wasn't bad, our defense has players we really should be brining back but could be released to save on cap space as well. Baalke made a mess of our salary cap. And it could potentially derail our success next year. Smoot is up as a FA. Wingard is a FA, Jenkins (I know some people for whatever reason think he's expendable... HE IS NOT) is a potential cap casualty. We could get rid of Roberston-Harris, but the dude just proved he could be a playmaker.
All I'm saying is that the way our salary cap has been managed has resulted in these Jaguars, who clearly look like they are up and coming, may lose some very key players that have made us look like we're coming up. This offseason may be one that really could determine whether we are Super Bowl contenders or just Playoff contenders...
Once again, good reason why you build through the darft. Many of the losses listed are average players that shouldn't be significant tasks to replace or improve. Two years ago, we had a nearly empty roster talent-wise and a big chunk of available space. I don't fault them for spending, but especially early on we saw little yield from our investments.
Poor darfting leading up to Baalke is just as big a reason why we're in this hole (capwise) as any failure fully attributable to TB. Chiasson should be a foundational piece. Henderson should be locking down the side opposite Campbell. If Allen hit, we'd have a monster playing for pennies on his fifth-year option. Instead, one will be getting reps on kick coverage, one is playing out his rookie deal on another team, and the other is essentially on a prove-it deal to convince us not to replace him. That will cripple any team looking to start fresh.
The cap hits and lack of cap mean we're gonna have to get creative to keep guys around or pursue improvement in their stead. It's not entirely the fault of TB, but he's not free of blame, either. Unfortunately, I think that the scenario we are in (established coach, QB, no cap) makes the job less appealing for any up and coming GM that wants to make a name for themselves. We'd probably be doing more harm than good giving TB the ax at this point in the build.
And it's pretty much a one-year hiatus from big-time free agent spending. I believe we have lots of cap room in 2024.
Our problem is that our home-grown talent absolutely needed to step up and be the best part of the team - Allen on defense and Trevor on offense. Trevor is doing his part, but Allen isn't even elevating his own play, let alone the play of others around him.
Home-grown guys typically need to be the strongest leaders or we fail. For every Calais Campbell out there that bucks that trend, there are 100 other guys that end up being over-priced talent - very hard to have sustained success that way.
(12-13-2022, 11:24 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022, 11:28 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]The thought of Ridley in this offense is exciting. Ridley/Kirk/Zay may not be Smith/McCardell but it'll potentially be the closest we've come since then.
Not to mention Agnew. He’s our KR star but he’s also a very capable WR when called upon.
Truth. We are going to have an outstanding passing attack next year.
(12-13-2022, 12:35 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 11:24 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Not to mention Agnew. He’s our KR star but he’s also a very capable WR when called upon.
Truth. We are going to have an outstanding passing attack next year.
I really hope Ridley is who we all expect him to be.
Watson has been ATROCIOUS since taking his big break from football. I don’t think it’s a guarantee he’s the same guy. Which is why I’m still looking at WR in round 1 as of now
(12-13-2022, 12:40 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 12:35 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]Truth. We are going to have an outstanding passing attack next year.
I really hope Ridley is who we all expect him to be.
Watson has been ATROCIOUS since taking his big break from football. I don’t think it’s a guarantee he’s the same guy. Which is why I’m still looking at WR in round 1 as of now
Yeah I'm taking the "I have no expectations for Ridley and I'll be pleasantly surprised if he performs at a high level" approach. The investment in him thus far isn't overly significant.
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