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I'm bored at work so here's some more stats for you guys:

PFR Stats Bad throws, percentage, total drops, drop percentage

Allen: 22 throws, 11.5%, 10 drops, 5.2%
Herbert: 26 throws, 13.6%, 12 drops, 6.3%
Brady: 31 throws, 15.3%, 11 drops, 5.4%
Lamar: 27 throws, 19.3%, 7 drops, 5%
Hurts: 18 throws, 11.8%, 7 drops, 4.6%
Rodgers: 22 throws, 14.1%, 6 drops, 3.6%
Mahomes: 30 throws, 16.6%, 10 drops, 5.5 %

Trevor: 28 throws, 16%, 14 drops, 8% (of note the past 2 weeks have been 9 drops at 14.25% average)

Tell me again where Trevor is not going to be good. He ranks right there in middle of the top 5-10 guys in pretty much every statistic. I'd love to find an "interceptable passes stat" somewhere. I don't have PFF to look at the adjusted comp% but I can guarantee you Trev's would be significant. Even if you just add the 8% drops, He's at 70% accuracy.

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(10-14-2022, 10:04 AM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 06:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Right, right. Not being able to beat out over the hill starters or game managers for the starting job is "hitting the ground running." Then you pick the actual rare exceptions and some dude named Alex Luck and try to spike the ball. Just admit you said a dumb factually incorrect thing and move on.

Who says he wasn't beating Alex Smith for his job? That seemed more of an Andy Reid decision to sit than start him when they were winning games with Alex Smith under center. It would've made no sense to sit Smith when he was easily one of the best QBs in 2017. 

.... your argument is stupid. Just admit it and move along.

Sitting on the bench did not do Mahomes any favors besides learn his diet, his game plan film studies, and adapt his family in the NFL life.

This is easily proven if you've watched what Alex Smith  ESPN ingerview and what he said about Mahomes in his rookie year.

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(10-14-2022, 09:36 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Peyton Manning after 5 weeks of year 2:

3-2 Record
11 TDs
7 Ints
61.6% comp
92.54 Rate

This is also with the same HC, OC, QB coach as his rookie year. Bruce Arians was his QB coach too, which should be noted. Also with Marvin Harrison in his prime and Edge as a rookie

Josh Allen through week 5 of year 2:

4-1 Record (somehow)
8 Total TDs (5 pass 3 rush)
7 Ints
62% comp
75 .1 rating

Trevor after 5 weeks in year 2:

2-3 Record
8 TDs
4 Ints
62.4% Comp
88 Rating

This is with a new staff all around after the worst staff of all time his rookie year. I like Kirk, but he's no Harrison.

Josh Allen went on to only throw 2 more INTs the entire year. The Colts team went on to win 10 straight and finish the season 13-3. While I don't expect that from us, there's still ZERO reason to think Trevor won't be the guy.

And I've said 1000 times Minshew deserves a start somewhere. It's also clear to anyone Trevor has more talent and upside than Minshew could ever hope to have.

Any time someone brings up Minshew as a comparison, they've already lost.

Dude had a chance to be the man here and lost just about every single game in 2020. Thanks for being a dud Minshew!

(10-14-2022, 10:10 AM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 09:30 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]Why you guys even arguing with that guy?  He's only here to be a douche.

I'm here to provide facts, not emotions.

Facts over feelings to be exact.

Oh, well, thank you so much then.  How did we ever get along without you...

(10-14-2022, 10:29 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Any time someone brings up Minshew as a comparison, they've already lost.

Dude had a chance to be the man here and lost just about every single game in 2020. Thanks for being a dud Minshew!

You're not wrong. It's obvious to everyone I'm still pretty high on Minshew, but he had his chance here and blew it. If he was able to win anything and not get us the #1 pick, he probably would have gotten another year or two.

He's past his time here. But I think he could start for some teams. ATL, NO (over Dalton anyway), Carolina, Houston, Cleveland (until Watson) I'd love to have him over Beathard as our backup still

(10-14-2022, 10:29 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Any time someone brings up Minshew as a comparison, they've already lost.

Dude had a chance to be the man here and lost just about every single game in 2020. Thanks for being a dud Minshew!

Minshew was ruined by the Jags. He would have been consistently productive with a better team of players and coaches.

(10-14-2022, 10:04 AM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 06:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Right, right. Not being able to beat out over the hill starters or game managers for the starting job is "hitting the ground running." Then you pick the actual rare exceptions and some dude named Alex Luck and try to spike the ball. Just admit you said a dumb factually incorrect thing and move on.

Who says he wasn't beating Alex Smith for his job? That seemed more of an Andy Reid decision to sit than start him when they were winning games with Alex Smith under center. It would've made no sense to sit Smith when he was easily one of the best QBs in 2017. 

.... your argument is stupid. Just admit it and move along.

Sitting on the bench did not do Mahomes any favors besides learn his diet, his game plan film studies, and adapt his family in the NFL life.

This is easily proven if you've watched what Alex Smith  ESPN ingerview and what he said about Mahomes in his rookie year.

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(10-14-2022, 09:36 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Peyton Manning after 5 weeks of year 2:

3-2 Record
11 TDs
7 Ints
61.6% comp
92.54 Rate

This is also with the same HC, OC, QB coach as his rookie year. Bruce Arians was his QB coach too, which should be noted. Also with Marvin Harrison in his prime and Edge as a rookie

Josh Allen through week 5 of year 2:

4-1 Record (somehow)
8 Total TDs (5 pass 3 rush)
7 Ints
62% comp
75 .1 rating

Trevor after 5 weeks in year 2:

2-3 Record
8 TDs
4 Ints
62.4% Comp
88 Rating

This is with a new staff all around after the worst staff of all time his rookie year. I like Kirk, but he's no Harrison.

Josh Allen went on to only throw 2 more INTs the entire year. The Colts team went on to win 10 straight and finish the season 13-3. While I don't expect that from us, there's still ZERO reason to think Trevor won't be the guy.

Lol. Who says? The coach who didn't start him, that's who. If Mahomes as he was in year two had hit the ground running that well his first year then Reid was completely inept to keep him on the bench. The best guy plays and that was Alex Smith whom Mahomes clearly did not outplay year 1. 15 starts for Smith is the proof no matter how you want to distort reality and history to suit your stupid take. Meanwhile, Josh Allen wants you to know you're an idiot too.

(10-14-2022, 12:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 10:04 AM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]Who says he wasn't beating Alex Smith for his job? That seemed more of an Andy Reid decision to sit than start him when they were winning games with Alex Smith under center. It would've made no sense to sit Smith when he was easily one of the best QBs in 2017. 

.... your argument is stupid. Just admit it and move along.

Sitting on the bench did not do Mahomes any favors besides learn his diet, his game plan film studies, and adapt his family in the NFL life.

This is easily proven if you've watched what Alex Smith  ESPN ingerview and what he said about Mahomes in his rookie year.

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Lol. Who says? The coach who didn't start him, that's who. 

Please post a link to where Reid says this. I won't hold my breath for it.

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(10-14-2022, 12:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 10:04 AM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]Who says he wasn't beating Alex Smith for his job? That seemed more of an Andy Reid decision to sit than start him when they were winning games with Alex Smith under center. It would've made no sense to sit Smith when he was easily one of the best QBs in 2017. 

.... your argument is stupid. Just admit it and move along.

Sitting on the bench did not do Mahomes any favors besides learn his diet, his game plan film studies, and adapt his family in the NFL life.

This is easily proven if you've watched what Alex Smith  ESPN ingerview and what he said about Mahomes in his rookie year.

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The best guy plays and that was Alex Smith whom Mahomes clearly did not outplay year 1.

This isn't always true especially from certain types of coaches and QBs.

Awful take, just awful.

Mahomes was probably still better, but Alex Smith was having so much success that it wouldn't made sense to put him in as a rookie.

(10-14-2022, 09:36 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Peyton Manning after 5 weeks of year 2:

3-2 Record
11 TDs
7 Ints
61.6% comp
92.54 Rate

This is also with the same HC, OC, QB coach as his rookie year. Bruce Arians was his QB coach too, which should be noted. Also with Marvin Harrison in his prime and Edge as a rookie

Josh Allen through week 5 of year 2:

4-1 Record (somehow)
8 Total TDs (5 pass 3 rush)
7 Ints
62% comp
75 .1 rating

Trevor after 5 weeks in year 2:

2-3 Record
8 TDs
4 Ints
62.4% Comp
88 Rating

This is with a new staff all around after the worst staff of all time his rookie year. I like Kirk, but he's no Harrison.

Josh Allen went on to only throw 2 more INTs the entire year. The Colts team went on to win 10 straight and finish the season 13-3. While I don't expect that from us, there's still ZERO reason to think Trevor won't be the guy.

wasted keystrokes, man.
they ain't listening, they ain't gonna come off their taek. They just wanna stir the pot and get their jollies over everyone taking offense.
same as it ever was.

(10-14-2022, 12:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 10:04 AM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]Who says he wasn't beating Alex Smith for his job? That seemed more of an Andy Reid decision to sit than start him when they were winning games with Alex Smith under center. It would've made no sense to sit Smith when he was easily one of the best QBs in 2017. 

.... your argument is stupid. Just admit it and move along.

Sitting on the bench did not do Mahomes any favors besides learn his diet, his game plan film studies, and adapt his family in the NFL life.

This is easily proven if you've watched what Alex Smith  ESPN ingerview and what he said about Mahomes in his rookie year.

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Meanwhile, Josh Allen wants you to know you're an idiot too.

Lol you lost the argument so you resort to insults. Classic. And your actually a moderatore on this forum. Sad. Lol.

(10-14-2022, 12:59 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 12:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Meanwhile, Josh Allen wants you to know you're an idiot too.

Lol you lost the argument so you resort to insults. Classic. And your actually a moderatore on this forum. Sad. Lol.

If the argument is who is the biggest idiot, then you are right. You win.

(10-14-2022, 12:59 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 12:07 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Meanwhile, Josh Allen wants you to know you're an idiot too.

Lol you lost the argument so you resort to insults. Classic. And your actually a moderatore on this forum. Sad. Lol.

You’re

(10-14-2022, 01:01 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 12:59 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]Lol you lost the argument so you resort to insults. Classic. And your actually a moderatore on this forum. Sad. Lol.

If the argument is who is the biggest idiot, then you are right. You win.

 I’m starting to wonder if the page doesn’t get a tax break to let you post here.

(10-14-2022, 01:12 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 01:01 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]If the argument is who is the biggest idiot, then you are right. You win.

 I’m starting to wonder if the page doesn’t get a tax break to let you post here.

I know, you really wanted the biggest jerk award.  Don't lose heart though, and keep up the good work... I don't think that one has been handed out yet.

(10-13-2022, 05:39 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2022, 05:33 PM)Big Dougy P Wrote: [ -> ]Mahomes is probably the most gifted, talent wise QB we have ever seen in the history of the NFL. His second season was the best passing season of all time. And it was really his rookie season. The only season that even comes close is Mannings 55 td year and Bradys undefeated season with 50 tds. Both these guys were savvy vets, Mahomes was playing his first season as starter.

He's list is complete crap. Naming QBs from the 90s.

Josh Allen
Jalen Hurts
Geno Smith

These are some of the top rated QBs now that didn't hit the ground running. Some start out good and some don't. Not everyone has the same learning curve.

(10-14-2022, 03:00 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2022, 05:39 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]He's list is complete crap. Naming QBs from the 90s.

Josh Allen
Jalen Hurts
Geno Smith

These are some of the top rated QBs now that didn't hit the ground running. Some start out good and some don't. Not everyone has the same learning curve.

Jalen Hurts is not a good QB, but he is doing enough in Philly, he wont have a consistent career. Geno is at best a game manager.

As I've said before Josh Allen is the exception and not the rule when it comes to development.

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(10-14-2022, 02:24 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 01:12 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ] I’m starting to wonder if the page doesn’t get a tax break to let you post here.

I know, you really wanted the biggest jerk award.  Don't lose heart though, and keep up the good work... I don't think that one has been handed out yet.

Are you getting therapy for those delusions you're having?

(10-14-2022, 03:31 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 03:00 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen
Jalen Hurts
Geno Smith

These are some of the top rated QBs now that didn't hit the ground running. Some start out good and some don't. Not everyone has the same learning curve.

Jalen Hurts is not a good QB, but he is doing enough in Philly, he wont have a consistent career. Geno is at best a game manager.

As I've said before Josh Allen is the exception and not the rule when it comes to development.

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(10-14-2022, 02:24 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]I know, you really wanted the biggest jerk award.  Don't lose heart though, and keep up the good work... I don't think that one has been handed out yet.

Are you getting therapy for those delusions you're having?

Imagine being this wrong

(10-14-2022, 03:44 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 03:31 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]Jalen Hurts is not a good QB, but he is doing enough in Philly, he wont have a consistent career. Geno is at best a game manager.

As I've said before Josh Allen is the exception and not the rule when it comes to development.

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Are you getting therapy for those delusions you're having?

Imagine being this wrong

Have you actually seen him play? I bet you thought Wentz was good few years back too.

(10-14-2022, 03:53 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 03:44 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine being this wrong

Have you actually seen him play? I bet you thought Wentz was good few years back too.

Wentz was fantastic with Pederson. Wentz has not been the same QB without him. This is why I am hopeful and trusting the process with him and Lawrence working together. When they bounce back this weekend and they win in convincing fashion are you going to tuck your tail and hideout with your kids for a week or actually be on here to get a plate full of [BLEEP] dished back at you?

I don't mind the [BLEEP] talkers on here. Just as long as you're willing to come back and eat said [BLEEP] you've dished out when things are working. Which they undoubtedly will.

(10-14-2022, 03:59 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 03:53 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]Have you actually seen him play? I bet you thought Wentz was good few years back too.

I don't mind the [BLEEP] talkers on here. Just as long as you're willing to come back and eat said [BLEEP] you've dished out when things are working. Which they undoubtedly will.

I highly doubt it will happen. Trevor hasnt had a game yet as a pro that impressed me.

(10-14-2022, 03:59 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 03:53 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]Have you actually seen him play? I bet you thought Wentz was good few years back too.

Wentz was fantastic with Pederson. Wentz has not been the same QB without him. This is why I am hopeful and trusting the process with him and Lawrence working together. When they bounce back this weekend and they win in convincing fashion are you going to tuck your tail and hideout with your kids for a week or actually be on here to get a plate full of [BLEEP] dished back at you?

I don't mind the [BLEEP] talkers on here. Just as long as you're willing to come back and eat said [BLEEP] you've dished out when things are working. Which they undoubtedly will.

His advanced stats always showed he was poor at many aspects of QBing, I believe in Philly even before the last two years he was one of the least accurate QBs with time in the pocket, in Indy if you took out passes behind the LOS he had a poor completion %. Add the injuries and poor leadership, and here we are.