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(12-13-2022, 10:38 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-13-2022, 09:54 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Here's why I think Baalke should be held accountable and perhaps be let go.

We are in such Cap Space Hell that we are gonna have to let go of really good team-mates that have helped us get where we are.

Offensively we may see the loss of Marvin Jones Jr and Jamal Agnew.  Shatley has money that we could save on.  On top of that Jawan Taylor, our RT, is due this off-season.  And, by football gods, the dude is gonna have to get paid or we lose him.

And if that wasn't bad, our defense has players we really should be brining back but could be released to save on cap space as well.  Baalke made a mess of our salary cap.  And it could potentially derail our success next year.  Smoot is up as a FA.  Wingard is a FA, Jenkins (I know some people for whatever reason think he's expendable...  HE IS NOT) is a potential cap casualty.  We could get rid of Roberston-Harris, but the dude just proved he could be a playmaker. 

All I'm saying is that the way our salary cap has been managed has resulted in these Jaguars, who clearly look like they are up and coming, may lose some very key players that have made us look like we're coming up.  This offseason may be one that really could determine whether we are Super Bowl contenders or just Playoff contenders...

Once again, good reason why you build through the darft. Many of the losses listed are average players that shouldn't be significant tasks to replace or improve. Two years ago, we had a nearly empty roster talent-wise and a big chunk of available space. I don't fault them for spending, but especially early on we saw little yield from our investments.

Poor darfting leading up to Baalke is just as big a reason why we're in this hole (capwise) as any failure fully attributable to TB. Chiasson should be a foundational piece. Henderson should be locking down the side opposite Campbell. If Allen hit, we'd have a monster playing for pennies on his fifth-year option. Instead, one will be getting reps on kick coverage, one is playing out his rookie deal on another team, and the other is essentially on a prove-it deal to convince us not to replace him. That will cripple any team looking to start fresh.

The cap hits and lack of cap mean we're gonna have to get creative to keep guys around or pursue improvement in their stead. It's not entirely the fault of TB, but he's not free of blame, either. Unfortunately, I think that the scenario we are in (established coach, QB, no cap) makes the job less appealing for any up and coming GM that wants to make a name for themselves. We'd probably be doing more harm than good giving TB the ax at this point in the build.

The salary cap is a myth. Other teams always manage to get under the cap by converting salary to bonus and so on. There are two or three obvious cap casualties but after that I don't believe we should have any major problems. Clearly someone won't want to re-sign for some reason but that happens every year for every team.
(10-10-2022, 11:09 AM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]I'll err on the side of caution and say "No". This is the Jags we are talking about.

https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/160...idJR8ncxHg

https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/160...idJR8ncxHg
Statistically this year is an anomaly. So many close losses with really good performances is a shame really.
(12-13-2022, 02:11 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-13-2022, 10:38 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Once again, good reason why you build through the darft. Many of the losses listed are average players that shouldn't be significant tasks to replace or improve. Two years ago, we had a nearly empty roster talent-wise and a big chunk of available space. I don't fault them for spending, but especially early on we saw little yield from our investments.

Poor darfting leading up to Baalke is just as big a reason why we're in this hole (capwise) as any failure fully attributable to TB. Chiasson should be a foundational piece. Henderson should be locking down the side opposite Campbell. If Allen hit, we'd have a monster playing for pennies on his fifth-year option. Instead, one will be getting reps on kick coverage, one is playing out his rookie deal on another team, and the other is essentially on a prove-it deal to convince us not to replace him. That will cripple any team looking to start fresh.

The cap hits and lack of cap mean we're gonna have to get creative to keep guys around or pursue improvement in their stead. It's not entirely the fault of TB, but he's not free of blame, either. Unfortunately, I think that the scenario we are in (established coach, QB, no cap) makes the job less appealing for any up and coming GM that wants to make a name for themselves. We'd probably be doing more harm than good giving TB the ax at this point in the build.

The salary cap is a myth. Other teams always manage to get under the cap by converting salary to bonus and so on. There are two or three obvious cap casualties but after that I don't believe we should have any major problems. Clearly someone won't want to re-sign for some reason but that happens every year for every team.

I wouldn't call it a myth.  It's real, but there are ways to postpone accounting for a cap hit by structuring contracts a certain way.  But the operative word is postpone, not eliminate.
(12-14-2022, 05:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-10-2022, 11:09 AM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]I'll err on the side of caution and say "No". This is the Jags we are talking about.

https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/160...idJR8ncxHg

https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/160...idJR8ncxHg

You know as well as Tua has played this year it still feels weird hearing him mentioned as a good QB lol
(12-14-2022, 05:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-10-2022, 11:09 AM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]I'll err on the side of caution and say "No". This is the Jags we are talking about.

https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/160...idJR8ncxHg

https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/160...idJR8ncxHg

I already said I'd eat my crow Smile . I still have an ounce of hesitancy, because THIS IS THE JAGS, but I couldn't be happier right now with Trevor.
(12-14-2022, 05:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-10-2022, 11:09 AM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]I'll err on the side of caution and say "No". This is the Jags we are talking about.

https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/160...idJR8ncxHg

https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/160...idJR8ncxHg

If he keeps this up, we're gonna have to dust off the "generational" adjective again. ;-)
(12-14-2022, 06:47 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2022, 05:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/160...idJR8ncxHg

https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/160...idJR8ncxHg

You know as well as Tua has played this year it still feels weird hearing him mentioned as a good QB lol

For Tua's sake, I fear that the last two weeks is more baseline Tua than the one we saw on the midseason run.
(12-14-2022, 07:19 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2022, 06:47 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]You know as well as Tua has played this year it still feels weird hearing him mentioned as a good QB lol

For Tua's sake, I fear that the last two weeks is more baseline Tua than the one we saw on the midseason run.

I mean he's got an insane WR duo around him, a good TE and a solid O line. I don't think he's nearly as good as he's been but who knows.
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