For someone who has been touted as a a running QB, I’ve seen better runs weekly from Blake Bortles. Last week, he should have ran it and picked up a first versus giving it away. Not to bash the guy, but I’ve been wondering about this “runner” we have. I know this is a bit off from what’s been talked about. But just one thing that’s been in my mind.
(10-12-2022, 04:40 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Brunell and Lawrence aren't alike at all. Brunell was shorter, thicker, and much, much stronger. TLaw is like a greyhound, Brunell more of a Rottweiler. Brunell was also in his 3rd year when he got here having sat behind Favre and then backed up Beerline for some games while he got Coughlin's offense down. Lawrence was a Day 1 starter under crap coaching with no help. I don't think they're the same at all.
Agreed, these two are/were very different players. Mark has unbelievable arm strength for his size. Saw him throw an 80+ yard through the air pass in a QB competition once. He was also accurate on deep throws which TLaw is struggling with. Not saying TLaw might not eventually be better but stylistically, they will never resemble one another.
(10-12-2022, 07:09 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]For someone who has been touted as a a running QB, I’ve seen better runs weekly from Blake Bortles. Last week, he should have ran it and picked up a first versus giving it away. Not to bash the guy, but I’ve been wondering about this “runner” we have. I know this is a bit off from what’s been talked about. But just one thing that’s been in my mind.
You're not alone. Been asking the same and waiting to see him break a few runs off. I feel like it's been there more than once.
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(10-12-2022, 07:09 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]For someone who has been touted as a a running QB, I’ve seen better runs weekly from Blake Bortles. Last week, he should have ran it and picked up a first versus giving it away. Not to bash the guy, but I’ve been wondering about this “runner” we have. I know this is a bit off from what’s been talked about. But just one thing that’s been in my mind.
He has never been touted as a running QB. He is enough of an athlete that he can run a bit, but that has never been his "game".
And Blake was always an underrated runner. He should of used his legs a lot more.
(10-12-2022, 10:15 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2022, 07:09 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]For someone who has been touted as a a running QB, I’ve seen better runs weekly from Blake Bortles. Last week, he should have ran it and picked up a first versus giving it away. Not to bash the guy, but I’ve been wondering about this “runner” we have. I know this is a bit off from what’s been talked about. But just one thing that’s been in my mind.
He has never been touted as a running QB. He is enough of an athlete that he can run a bit, but that has never been his "game".
And Blake was always an underrated runner. He should of used his legs a lot more.
He had nearly 1,000 yards rushing and 18 rushing TD's at Clemson in 3 years. 2019 he had nearly 600 yards rushing with 9 TD's. He's a long strider at 6'6. When he gets going though he can make up some yards.
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(10-12-2022, 10:52 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2022, 10:15 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]He has never been touted as a running QB. He is enough of an athlete that he can run a bit, but that has never been his "game".
And Blake was always an underrated runner. He should of used his legs a lot more.
He had nearly 1,000 yards rushing and 18 rushing TD's at Clemson in 3 years. 2019 he had nearly 600 yards rushing with 9 TD's. He's a long strider at 6'6. When he gets going though he can make up some yards.
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And everybody is better/faster in the NFL than in college.
Like I said, he can run, but he was never touted as a running QB. That's not his game.
Mahomes had 308 rushes for 845 yards and 22 TD over 3 years in College, do you considering him to be a running QB? While yes he can run and does, that's not his main game.
I'd agree that I'd like to see Lawrence use his legs a little more at times, but I also don't want him to take a bunch of extra hits in doing so. He might be 6'6, but he isn't 250 pounds like Josh Allen is.
Guys like Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson etc are running QBs.
(10-12-2022, 07:03 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]The design of this forums looks super outdated.
What is the results so far?
I voted no.
scroll to the top of any page in this thread, newbs. Boom, results.
Don't blame the tool until you learn how to use it.
(10-12-2022, 07:09 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]For someone who has been touted as a a running QB, I’ve seen better runs weekly from Blake Bortles. Last week, he should have ran it and picked up a first versus giving it away. Not to bash the guy, but I’ve been wondering about this “runner” we have. I know this is a bit off from what’s been talked about. But just one thing that’s been in my mind.
I don't recall that hype train. He's mobile enough to tuck and run in RPO when the D gives him the right look, but you're probably looking at 3-5 yards on those, not 25. Were he a statue, you'd have to rip all the RPO out of the playbook.
He can take advantage of a lapse in the D. He's not going to command a defense with his legs as someone like Lamar can.
(10-12-2022, 10:52 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2022, 10:15 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]He has never been touted as a running QB. He is enough of an athlete that he can run a bit, but that has never been his "game".
And Blake was always an underrated runner. He should of used his legs a lot more.
He had nearly 1,000 yards rushing and 18 rushing TD's at Clemson in 3 years. 2019 he had nearly 600 yards rushing with 9 TD's. He's a long strider at 6'6. When he gets going though he can make up some yards.
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The Jags aren't scheduling games against Bees Tech, Syrupcubes, or Directional State Annex School of Mines.
Would be nice if we could though.
I think he does need to keep it on that rpo. The defense always goes after the running back lately. They dont think hes going to keep it. He needs to carefully keep it a few times to keep these teams honest. That will open up the run for etn and Robinson too. Carefully. Get those yards and slide.
(10-12-2022, 11:25 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2022, 10:52 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]He had nearly 1,000 yards rushing and 18 rushing TD's at Clemson in 3 years. 2019 he had nearly 600 yards rushing with 9 TD's. He's a long strider at 6'6. When he gets going though he can make up some yards.
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And everybody is better/faster in the NFL than in college.
Like I said, he can run, but he was never touted as a running QB. That's not his game.
Mahomes had 308 rushes for 845 yards and 22 TD over 3 years in College, do you considering him to be a running QB? While yes he can run and does, that's not his main game.
I'd agree that I'd like to see Lawrence use his legs a little more at times, but I also don't want him to take a bunch of extra hits in doing so. He might be 6'6, but he isn't 250 pounds like Josh Allen is.
Guys like Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson etc are running QBs.
(10-13-2022, 08:29 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2022, 10:52 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]He had nearly 1,000 yards rushing and 18 rushing TD's at Clemson in 3 years. 2019 he had nearly 600 yards rushing with 9 TD's. He's a long strider at 6'6. When he gets going though he can make up some yards.
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The Jags aren't scheduling games against Bees Tech, Syrupcubes, or Directional State Annex School of Mines.
Would be nice if we could though.
That doesn't mean he can't do it. I don't think anybody is expecting him to break tackles like Josh Allen or make it a routine habit of running for 50, 60, 70 yards a game. Just play better and be looking for opportunities to make it happen. Aaron Rodgers did this. Andrew Luck did this. Mark Brunell did it here, etc.
However, you can go back and look at a handful of games this year, especially closer to the red zone (INT in the end zone this past Sunday for example) and see that he's had opportunities to pick-up easy yardage with his legs. Again, much like this highlight reel I posted last night. There's similar situations that come up where he can pull this off.
You could make the argument that he's probably left maybe 2, 3 rushing TD's off his stat sheet this year where he could have tucked it and made a run for it. Am I expecting him to break off a 50 yard run like he did against Ohio St. in that Championship game? No.
If it's inside the red zone though and 15, 20 yards out? And the defense is not paying attention completely? And there's free real estate? He needs to take it.
(10-13-2022, 08:15 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2022, 07:03 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]The design of this forums looks super outdated.
What is the results so far?
I voted no.
scroll to the top of any page in this thread, newbs. Boom, results.
Don't blame the tool until you learn how to use it.
This version of forum is about as old as Abraham Lincoln.
Needs an update. It shows the numbers spaced out.
(10-13-2022, 09:18 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2022, 11:25 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]And everybody is better/faster in the NFL than in college.
Like I said, he can run, but he was never touted as a running QB. That's not his game.
Mahomes had 308 rushes for 845 yards and 22 TD over 3 years in College, do you considering him to be a running QB? While yes he can run and does, that's not his main game.
I'd agree that I'd like to see Lawrence use his legs a little more at times, but I also don't want him to take a bunch of extra hits in doing so. He might be 6'6, but he isn't 250 pounds like Josh Allen is.
Guys like Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson etc are running QBs.
(10-13-2022, 08:29 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]The Jags aren't scheduling games against Bees Tech, Syrupcubes, or Directional State Annex School of Mines.
Would be nice if we could though.
That doesn't mean he can't do it. I don't think anybody is expecting him to break tackles like Josh Allen or make it a routine habit of running for 50, 60, 70 yards a game. Just play better and be looking for opportunities to make it happen. Aaron Rodgers did this. Andrew Luck did this. Mark Brunell did it here, etc.
However, you can go back and look at a handful of games this year, especially closer to the red zone (INT in the end zone this past Sunday for example) and see that he's had opportunities to pick-up easy yardage with his legs. Again, much like this highlight reel I posted last night. There's similar situations that come up where he can pull this off.
You could make the argument that he's probably left maybe 2, 3 rushing TD's off his stat sheet this year where he could have tucked it and made a run for it. Am I expecting him to break off a 50 yard run like he did against Ohio St. in that Championship game? No.
If it's inside the red zone though and 15, 20 yards out? And the defense is not paying attention completely? And there's free real estate? He needs to take it.
Lawrence routinely turns down easy 5-10 yard gains with his legs and with check downs because he's looking for the hero ball.
regarding the scrambling - I thunk he's being advised against it and listening
regarding the check downs - I believe coaching him to tale the easy out more quickly is a work in progress with this staff
- the alarm in his head hasn't been programmed to go off soon enough yet - he can still work this out. He's 5 games in with a competent staff.
Yes, having your QB want the deeper play is a good problem, but he has to learn how to make that quick decision to bail on it and live to fight another series of downs when it's not there.
This seems like
very standard young QB learning curve stuff to me.
(10-13-2022, 01:10 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2022, 09:18 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]That doesn't mean he can't do it. I don't think anybody is expecting him to break tackles like Josh Allen or make it a routine habit of running for 50, 60, 70 yards a game. Just play better and be looking for opportunities to make it happen. Aaron Rodgers did this. Andrew Luck did this. Mark Brunell did it here, etc.
However, you can go back and look at a handful of games this year, especially closer to the red zone (INT in the end zone this past Sunday for example) and see that he's had opportunities to pick-up easy yardage with his legs. Again, much like this highlight reel I posted last night. There's similar situations that come up where he can pull this off.
You could make the argument that he's probably left maybe 2, 3 rushing TD's off his stat sheet this year where he could have tucked it and made a run for it. Am I expecting him to break off a 50 yard run like he did against Ohio St. in that Championship game? No.
If it's inside the red zone though and 15, 20 yards out? And the defense is not paying attention completely? And there's free real estate? He needs to take it.
Lawrence routinely turns down easy 5-10 yard gains with his legs and with check downs because he's looking for the hero ball.
regarding the scrambling - I thunk he's being advised against it and listening
regarding the check downs - I believe coaching him to tale the easy out more quickly is a work in progress with this staff
- the alarm in his head hasn't been programmed to go off soon enough yet - he can still work this out. He's 5 games in with a competent staff.
Yes, having your QB want the deeper play is a good problem, but he has to learn how to make that quick decision to bail on it and live to fight another series of downs when it's not there.
This seems like very standard young QB learning curve stuff to me.
He is a pocket passer. Not a runner. It's what he does. All this guy has done is win on the football field his entire life. I want to say he lost like 5-6 games his entire high school and college career. He has shown the ability to flourish in big time, pressure games in college.
To me when I look at Trevor NFL and not college.... he lacks confidence. I have watched a lot of him.
Bad throws and incompletions severely affect his in-game consistency; he gets 'down' almost immediately.
In the NFL, you can't recover from a bad play so easily - the defense gets a read on you and they'll tighten up. You don't get an 'open' guy.
Lawrence looks the part and has the skills, but he's gotta find a way to manage the nerves and maintain consistency. His problem is between the ears. Can he get there? Who knows.
Maybe I'm harsh, but if I'm being honest, you either have 'it' or you don't. One shouldn't have to make excuses for a quarterback, the good ones always hit the ground running.
(10-13-2022, 04:36 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2022, 04:33 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]He is a pocket passer. Not a runner. It's what he does. All this guy has done is win on the football field his entire life. I want to say he lost like 5-6 games his entire high school and college career. He has shown the ability to flourish in big time, pressure games in college.
To me when I look at Trevor NFL and not college.... he lacks confidence. I have watched a lot of him.
Bad throws and incompletions severely affect his in-game consistency; he gets 'down' almost immediately.
In the NFL, you can't recover from a bad play so easily - the defense gets a read on you and they'll tighten up. You don't get an 'open' guy.
Lawrence looks the part and has the skills, but he's gotta find a way to manage the nerves and maintain consistency. His problem is between the ears. Can he get there? Who knows.
Maybe I'm harsh, but if I'm being honest, you either have 'it' or you don't. One shouldn't have to make excuses for a quarterback, the good ones always hit the ground running.
The hell they do.
Whatever floats your boat buddy. You go ahead and do that and believe what you want. Bringing up examples such as Allen, Manning isnt going to cut it. Mannings IQ was high and his ears were wide open. Lawrence doesnt seem to bright of a guy that will develop between the ears of a true top QB in the league.
I hope I'm wrong and will revisit this thread down the line.
Have a good day.
(10-13-2022, 04:47 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2022, 04:36 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]The hell they do.
Whatever floats your boat buddy. You go ahead and do that and believe what you want. Bringing up examples such as Allen, Manning isnt going to cut it. Mannings IQ was high and his ears were wide open. Lawrence doesnt seem to bright of a guy that will develop between the ears of a true top QB in the league.
I hope I'm wrong and will revisit this thread down the line.
Have a good day.
Fine.
Brady
Fouts
Montana
Mahomes
Moon
Brees
Aikman
Rodgers
Favre
Warner
Bradshaw
Young
Elway
So in short, the hell they do.
He’s even keel as can be in pressers. Some folks want to see fire and maybe he should let his receivers have it more often if/when they do something wrong, but even keel/calm is what I’d prefer to see in general out of the on field brains of the operation.
I don’t see lack of confidence at all.
(10-13-2022, 04:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2022, 04:47 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever floats your boat buddy. You go ahead and do that and believe what you want. Bringing up examples such as Allen, Manning isnt going to cut it. Mannings IQ was high and his ears were wide open. Lawrence doesnt seem to bright of a guy that will develop between the ears of a true top QB in the league.
I hope I'm wrong and will revisit this thread down the line.
Have a good day.
Fine.
Brady
Fouts
Montana
Mahomes
Moon
Brees
Aikman
Rodgers
Favre
Warner
Bradshaw
Young
Elway
So in short, the hell they do.
Mahomes had a 5000 yards in his second year.
What the hell are you even talking about?