(10-31-2022, 10:37 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2022, 10:25 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]They obviously didn't think they were fine, they signed a WR to a contract that everyone thought was over paid in Kirk, signed Zay, a All Pro guard, and signed a pretty good starting TE. Pickens has 29 more yards and the same amount of TDs as Zay. There was no true number 1 in FA and you can only do so much in 1 off season. They haven't done enough at pretty much any position. We passed up elite WRs in the draft last year but if we drafted Chase or Waddle we wouldn't have Lawrence, would you rather of us done that?
Pickens is playing in an atrocious offense and competes in targets with Najee, Friermuth, Claypool and Diontae. Despite what you think, he would make a difference on this team by being the true alpha receiver they need.
But if it was me? I would have traded picks to get Cooper or trade up like the Lions did for a WR or make a blockbuster trade for Tyreek/Adams/AJB like other teams did. I for sure am not going into the season with Zay and Marvin. Kirk would be even better if he had someone to take the pressure off him for once. I wouldn't have drafted 2 LBs and given Oluokon a ton of money.
However, it doesn't matter what I would have done. They are stuck with a bottom 5 outside WR room which clearly isn't helping their young QB. Trevor has his faults for sure but they aren't making his life easier which is exactly what the Eagles and Fins did for theirs.
With those players around Pickens it helps to open things up for him. You think it would help Kirk if he had more help around him but it hurts Pickens with good players around him. Lmao. The Lions WR they traded up for hasn't even played a down yet so I highly doubt he would of been helpful up to this point lol
(10-31-2022, 08:04 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 12:31 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Please stop with the “there is improvement” garbage.
ESPN displayed the most telling stat. 8, now nine I believe, straight games that were one score, were all losses.
Looking at a murderers row of a schedule, I think it’s safe to say we will be picking number one overall AGAIN.
Which will be an NFL record in 100+ years of drafting.
That tells you we are literally the worst franchise in NFL history.
you got everything right except for one thing.
Jags are the worst franchise in all of sports history.
I guess you've never heard of the Washington Generals then.
(10-31-2022, 10:45 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2022, 10:37 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Pickens is playing in an atrocious offense and competes in targets with Najee, Friermuth, Claypool and Diontae. Despite what you think, he would make a difference on this team by being the true alpha receiver they need.
But if it was me? I would have traded picks to get Cooper or trade up like the Lions did for a WR or make a blockbuster trade for Tyreek/Adams/AJB like other teams did. I for sure am not going into the season with Zay and Marvin. Kirk would be even better if he had someone to take the pressure off him for once. I wouldn't have drafted 2 LBs and given Oluokon a ton of money.
However, it doesn't matter what I would have done. They are stuck with a bottom 5 outside WR room which clearly isn't helping their young QB. Trevor has his faults for sure but they aren't making his life easier which is exactly what the Eagles and Fins did for theirs.
With those players around Pickens it helps to open things up for him. You think it would help Kirk if he had more help around him but it hurts Pickens with good players around him. Lmao. The Lions WR they traded up for hasn't even played a down yet so I highly doubt he would of been helpful up to this point lol
Jamo wouldn't help much this year but he absolutely would be able to help give this team something they have almost never had at the WR position.... A true speedster to stretch the field.
Pickens would give Trevor something he doesn't currently have and that's someone who can win on the outside and has speed. Yes, Pickens would help Kirk out. If you have actually watched Pickens play, you would see that he is consistently winning but doesn't have a QB to get him the ball.
You're also oddly harping on Pickens. It's not about him at all. It's about not doing enough to upgrade the outside receivers on this team while other teams stockpile the position for their young QB.
Let's stop doomsaying. This team is better than we were last year, and we won't be getting the first pick. We do need to start winning games, but we're keeping games close. Which means we'll win a few, lose a few. Comes down to Trevor making mistakes or not. This team is growing. Have patience. I know that's hard to have when we haven't sniffed the playoffs in 5 years. But we're making progress.
Also a top 5 pick that may net a QB would get a lot of good picks that this team needs to fill holes in the roster.
(10-31-2022, 11:49 AM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote: [ -> ]Let's stop doomsaying. This team is better than we were last year, and we won't be getting the first pick. We do need to start winning games, but we're keeping games close. Which means we'll win a few, lose a few. Comes down to Trevor making mistakes or not. This team is growing. Have patience. I know that's hard to have when we haven't sniffed the playoffs in 5 years. But we're making progress.
NO! It's been 8 games already dammit. We should have won the Superb Owl by now and that we haven't means we stink!
(10-31-2022, 11:49 AM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote: [ -> ]Let's stop doomsaying. This team is better than we were last year, and we won't be getting the first pick. We do need to start winning games, but we're keeping games close. Which means we'll win a few, lose a few. Comes down to Trevor making mistakes or not. This team is growing. Have patience. I know that's hard to have when we haven't sniffed the playoffs in 5 years. But we're making progress.
This team is not growing. It's plateaued. When you keep seeing the same mental errors being made in the same exact quarters of football or the same exact situations on the football field within the red zone. That's not growth. That's your current state of affairs.
This team is failing to execute in those moments. That's not growth. That's growth that's been stunted. You know what happens when something stunts growth wise? You cut it off somewhere at the stem and you let it try and grow again. This team is not going to grow with some of it's current players on the team.
"OMG! Caldrac is saying we need to blow it all up!"
No. That's not what I am saying. I am saying you need to find another player or two that's going to force the growth upward instead of continuing to stunt it.
(10-31-2022, 12:04 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2022, 11:49 AM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote: [ -> ]Let's stop doomsaying. This team is better than we were last year, and we won't be getting the first pick. We do need to start winning games, but we're keeping games close. Which means we'll win a few, lose a few. Comes down to Trevor making mistakes or not. This team is growing. Have patience. I know that's hard to have when we haven't sniffed the playoffs in 5 years. But we're making progress.
NO! It's been 8 games already dammit. We should have won the Superb Owl by now and that we haven't means we stink!
Some of us are just tired of living Groundhog Day with this team year after year.
I personally don't care that we aren't on our way to the playoffs because I didn't expect it. What I do care about are the mistakes that are adding up and turning a TD into an interception, or a careless penalty that gives the other team another set of downs that leads them to a TD, etc. A lack of discipline and focus seem to be a problem we can't get away from. And the lack of sacks.
I've been a fan from the beginning and will remain a fan but that doesn't mean I have to like or agree with what they put on the field.
To say there is no progress on this teams competitiveness is ludicrous and based on zero reality. The potential has displayed itself before your eyes in two games this season. The other games of course close, one possession games generally decided in the last minutes of the game. Finally, of course more talent is required, it always is. That's Captain obvious [BLEEP].
Has there ever been a year where we haven't said "We are making progress", or "Next year we'll be ready"?
Do we really, honestly, truly believe this year is actually different? You all are huffing copium.
I honestly don't know why some of this board is still fans of this team.
If you're fandom is completely invested in your team winning a championship, then you are in the wrong business. That should not be the sole metric you use. As you are more likely to be let down for the vast majority of years of being fan of that team for like 95%+ of teams in the 4 major sports.
(10-31-2022, 12:37 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]To say there is no progress on this teams competitiveness is ludicrous and based on zero reality. The potential has displayed itself before your eyes in two games this season. The other games of course close, one possession games generally decided in the last minutes of the game. Finally, of course more talent is required, it always is. That's Captain obvious [BLEEP].
(10-31-2022, 12:40 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]Has there ever been a year where we haven't said "We are making progress", or "Next year we'll be ready"?
Do we really, honestly, truly believe this year is actually different? You all are huffing copium.
Jagwired. There was progress. It's however, plateaued over the last five games. It's also the same exact scenario presenting itself. So, while there was growth, it's now concerning that it's been stunted and there's been really no change in that at all. Whether you want to point the finger at Lawrence for the turning the football over or missing TD opportunities. Or, whether you want to point the finger at the defense for falling to pieces in the 4th quarter of play. It's both at the end of the day.
Jaguars Warrior. Yes, there was a year. It was actually in 2016, which turned into 2017. You can also go back and cite this pattern with Jack Del Rio. Which is where I think Doug Pederson can turn this franchise into for at least a nice little four year stretch if they can get the right players around Lawrence to make his offense fire on all cylinders. This year has been different. The growth has been painful to watch.
It's plateaued though. They might win a few more games. The most likely contest would be the Raiders and Lions. Those are potentially games that are going to determine who ends up having the first overall pick in next year's draft. Could make or break a lot of the fanbase's loyalists and diehards going towards the end of this year.
(10-31-2022, 12:51 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly don't know why some of this board is still fans of this team.
If you're fandom is completely invested in your team winning a championship, then you are in the wrong business. That should not be the sole metric you use. As you are more likely to be let down for the vast majority of years of being fan of that team for like 95%+ of teams in the 4 major sports.
What? What's the [BLEEP] point of watching a team lose? What's the point of investing time, money and effort to getting to these games or watching these games if they're just going to continue to lose?
You think these coaches, players and front office people get together every year and the goal is to be a [BLEEP] box football team? Holy [BLEEP]. You must be one of those participation trophy kids all grown up. My god. Get the [BLEEP] out of here with that nonsense. Please.
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(10-31-2022, 12:40 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]Has there ever been a year where we haven't said "We are making progress", or "Next year we'll be ready"?
Do we really, honestly, truly believe this year is actually different? You all are huffing copium.
Did you say it last year? How about the year before? I seriously doubt even the most die hard among us felt that way when Doug Marrone crashed or Urban was here. And yeah, just based on what we've seen this year it's actually different and if you don't see it that's because you choose not to because you're mainlining cynicism.
(10-31-2022, 01:13 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2022, 12:40 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]Has there ever been a year where we haven't said "We are making progress", or "Next year we'll be ready"?
Do we really, honestly, truly believe this year is actually different? You all are huffing copium.
Did you say it last year? How about the year before? I seriously doubt even the most die hard among us felt that way when Doug Marrone crashed or Urban was here. And yeah, just based on what we've seen this year it's actually different and if you don't see it that's because you choose not to because you're mainlining cynicism.
Well anything had to be better than Meyer after he was fired (and it has been), so probably. Before that, we all thought that because we drafted the generational QB, we were making progress. Year before that, I am sure we said that because we had a pretty awesome DE drafted and a new QB coming in (Foles).
We always think we are making progress, but it never manifests.
(10-31-2022, 12:51 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2022, 12:37 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]To say there is no progress on this teams competitiveness is ludicrous and based on zero reality. The potential has displayed itself before your eyes in two games this season. The other games of course close, one possession games generally decided in the last minutes of the game. Finally, of course more talent is required, it always is. That's Captain obvious [BLEEP].
(10-31-2022, 12:40 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]Has there ever been a year where we haven't said "We are making progress", or "Next year we'll be ready"?
Do we really, honestly, truly believe this year is actually different? You all are huffing copium.
Jagwired. There was progress. It's however, plateaued over the last five games. It's also the same exact scenario presenting itself. So, while there was growth, it's now concerning that it's been stunted and there's been really no change in that at all. Whether you want to point the finger at Lawrence for the turning the football over or missing TD opportunities. Or, whether you want to point the finger at the defense for falling to pieces in the 4th quarter of play. It's both at the end of the day.
Jaguars Warrior. Yes, there was a year. It was actually in 2016, which turned into 2017. You can also go back and cite this pattern with Jack Del Rio. Which is where I think Doug Pederson can turn this franchise into for at least a nice little four year stretch if they can get the right players around Lawrence to make his offense fire on all cylinders. This year has been different. The growth has been painful to watch.
It's plateaued though. They might win a few more games. The most likely contest would be the Raiders and Lions. Those are potentially games that are going to determine who ends up having the first overall pick in next year's draft. Could make or break a lot of the fanbase's loyalists and diehards going towards the end of this year.
(10-31-2022, 12:51 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly don't know why some of this board is still fans of this team.
If you're fandom is completely invested in your team winning a championship, then you are in the wrong business. That should not be the sole metric you use. As you are more likely to be let down for the vast majority of years of being fan of that team for like 95%+ of teams in the 4 major sports.
What? What's the [BLEEP] point of watching a team lose? What's the point of investing time, money and effort to getting to these games or watching these games if they're just going to continue to lose?
You think these coaches, players and front office people get together every year and the goal is to be a [BLEEP] box football team? Holy [BLEEP]. You must be one of those participation trophy kids all grown up. My god. Get the [BLEEP] out of here with that nonsense. Please.
So we went from the worst offense and defense in the League and losing every game by at least 14 points to losing our games by a few points in one single offseason. Maybe we have plateaued for this year, but we made a tremendous step forward before we did. I just don't know why you expected more, it's irrational to think that a team with 4 wins in 2 full seasons is suddenly gonna start winning every week. Hell, it was irrational to think they'd be in these games at all based on our history. The games are what they're supposed to be now, fun and meaningful. Does it suck to lose? Hell yes. Does it suck to know the game is over before the first play like all of last year? Much, much worse.
(10-31-2022, 01:24 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2022, 12:51 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Jagwired. There was progress. It's however, plateaued over the last five games. It's also the same exact scenario presenting itself. So, while there was growth, it's now concerning that it's been stunted and there's been really no change in that at all. Whether you want to point the finger at Lawrence for the turning the football over or missing TD opportunities. Or, whether you want to point the finger at the defense for falling to pieces in the 4th quarter of play. It's both at the end of the day.
Jaguars Warrior. Yes, there was a year. It was actually in 2016, which turned into 2017. You can also go back and cite this pattern with Jack Del Rio. Which is where I think Doug Pederson can turn this franchise into for at least a nice little four year stretch if they can get the right players around Lawrence to make his offense fire on all cylinders. This year has been different. The growth has been painful to watch.
It's plateaued though. They might win a few more games. The most likely contest would be the Raiders and Lions. Those are potentially games that are going to determine who ends up having the first overall pick in next year's draft. Could make or break a lot of the fanbase's loyalists and diehards going towards the end of this year.
What? What's the [BLEEP] point of watching a team lose? What's the point of investing time, money and effort to getting to these games or watching these games if they're just going to continue to lose?
You think these coaches, players and front office people get together every year and the goal is to be a [BLEEP] box football team? Holy [BLEEP]. You must be one of those participation trophy kids all grown up. My god. Get the [BLEEP] out of here with that nonsense. Please.
So we went from the worst offense and defense in the League and losing every game by at least 14 points to losing our games by a few points in one single offseason. Maybe we have plateaued for this year, but we made a tremendous step forward before we did. I just don't know why you expected more, it's irrational to think that a team with 4 wins in 2 full seasons is suddenly gonna start winning every week. Hell, it was irrational to think they'd be in these games at all based on our history. The games are what they're supposed to be now, fun and meaningful. Does it suck to lose? Hell yes. Does it suck to know the game is over before the first play like all of last year? Much, much worse.
It's rough when it's the SAME mistake though, man. First INT against the tinhorns in the redzone? Alright... it happens.
But to do it again? C'mon now...
You get burned late on the road in Q4 against the clots after you take the lead and lose the game? Alright.. it happens.
But to see it again? C'mon now...
You see BOTH issues happen in the SAME game. Just, oof. Big OOF.
That's two more wins against teams they should beat. I expected competitive football and SIX wins. That's it. Just SIX.
They have maybe two games left where I can say they might have a chance now. Raiders and Lions. Everything else is tough sledding. Tacks twice down the stretch? Tinhorns on the road? Chiefs? Ravens?
It's tough. I think they'll be better next year. Matter of fact. I KNOW they'll be better next year. Again, growth is painful. But, ill be disappointed if they can't win four more games.
Those scenarios above cannot keep happening.
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(10-31-2022, 01:13 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2022, 12:40 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]Has there ever been a year where we haven't said "We are making progress", or "Next year we'll be ready"?
Do we really, honestly, truly believe this year is actually different? You all are huffing copium.
Did you say it last year? How about the year before? I seriously doubt even the most die hard among us felt that way when Doug Marrone crashed or Urban was here. And yeah, just based on what we've seen this year it's actually different and if you don't see it that's because you choose not to because you're mainlining cynicism.
We were absolutely better last year than the year before but we still sucked and it wasnt good enough. We beat the Dolphins, Bills, and Colts and the year before we lost 15 in a row. We have a 2nd year QB, a SB winning coach, our 1st round pick in Etienne came back that didn't play a down the year before, 2 1st round picks, and set the record in free agency. Of course we are going to be better than the year before but just being better than the year before still might not be good enough. We have been favored in the last 2 or 3 games and have lost. We haven't yet made it to the win total we had last year, yet we still have a lot more games to play. If we lose to the Raiders at home who just got shut out we might not even make it to our win total from last year. If we don't hit our win total from last year this team got worse.
(10-31-2022, 12:51 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2022, 12:37 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]To say there is no progress on this teams competitiveness is ludicrous and based on zero reality. The potential has displayed itself before your eyes in two games this season. The other games of course close, one possession games generally decided in the last minutes of the game. Finally, of course more talent is required, it always is. That's Captain obvious [BLEEP].
(10-31-2022, 12:40 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]Has there ever been a year where we haven't said "We are making progress", or "Next year we'll be ready"?
Do we really, honestly, truly believe this year is actually different? You all are huffing copium.
Jagwired. There was progress. It's however, plateaued over the last five games. It's also the same exact scenario presenting itself. So, while there was growth, it's now concerning that it's been stunted and there's been really no change in that at all. Whether you want to point the finger at Lawrence for the turning the football over or missing TD opportunities. Or, whether you want to point the finger at the defense for falling to pieces in the 4th quarter of play. It's both at the end of the day.
Jaguars Warrior. Yes, there was a year. It was actually in 2016, which turned into 2017. You can also go back and cite this pattern with Jack Del Rio. Which is where I think Doug Pederson can turn this franchise into for at least a nice little four year stretch if they can get the right players around Lawrence to make his offense fire on all cylinders. This year has been different. The growth has been painful to watch.
It's plateaued though. They might win a few more games. The most likely contest would be the Raiders and Lions. Those are potentially games that are going to determine who ends up having the first overall pick in next year's draft. Could make or break a lot of the fanbase's loyalists and diehards going towards the end of this year.
(10-31-2022, 12:51 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly don't know why some of this board is still fans of this team.
If you're fandom is completely invested in your team winning a championship, then you are in the wrong business. That should not be the sole metric you use. As you are more likely to be let down for the vast majority of years of being fan of that team for like 95%+ of teams in the 4 major sports.
What? What's the [BLEEP] point of watching a team lose? What's the point of investing time, money and effort to getting to these games or watching these games if they're just going to continue to lose?
You think these coaches, players and front office people get together every year and the goal is to be a [BLEEP] box football team? Holy [BLEEP]. You must be one of those participation trophy kids all grown up. My god. Get the [BLEEP] out of here with that nonsense. Please.
We are not playing the games.
We are fans because of the experience of rooting for a team and the memories that come from that over years or even decades. Most franchises win only a few titles in their entire existence. Even fewer have runs of dominance. Of course you want you're team to be a winner, but the reason to be a die hard fan for extended period of time is rooting for a franchise through the ups and downs, no matter how long or insanely ridiculous they are. You have hope for improvement and are dejected when it doesn't come through. But you continue to root for the team because you have hope they can eventually, maybe turn it around.
If your ONLY metric is championships, then it is waste of your time, money, and effort to root for any team but the favorite of the moment.
Yet, a good portion of this board is completely resigned that this team/franchise will never become anything because of the owner, they are cursed, or just #becausejaguars. I completely understand how rooting for this franchise can make you lose hope. Trust me. Most of the teams I've ever rooted for have continually lost, blown amazing opportunities, or moved away. Then only one to actually win had their title tainted by an idiotic cheating scandal.
However, I have as many great memories of rooting for and cheering on those for the years those teams did not win as I do for those that have win. I have one my best friends because of our ties to rooting to Jaguars games and going to every single home game for 5 years.
So again I say if all you are doing is trying to invest your time and money in 100% bet of a winner, then yes you are wasting your time. If you have completely lost your hope, why are you spend your time here trolling this board?