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I wish someone who knew more about football than me would look at what defenses we run when down in the fourth quarter. I'd love to know what's being changed specifically.

(10-31-2022, 07:50 AM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 11:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]This team simply doesn't know how to close out games.
https://twitter.com/Ballou1010xl/status/...6942628865

Interesting....and what side of the of the team loses the lead....the defense

And what side of the team fails to extend the lead... the offence.

Trying to pin this on one person or even one unit is counterproductive. It was like this a few seasons back - whenever one part of the team did its job, the other failed. You could have a good offensive game or a good defensive game, but seemingly never a complete game. People complain that Trevor has never put together a game-winning drive from behind, but actually he's done it twice this season; and both times the defence has suddenly turned around and given up a touchdown and left him in a position where he needs to do it all again, but without enough time (which he's promptly failed to do...) But there are plenty of times where the offence could have scored to put a game out of reach (or closer to out of reach) and they've failed to do so even with excellent field position. First and goal just outside their endzone should be a no-brainer TD, especially with how the running game was going. That INT by Trevor was both unforgivable and unnecessary.

Progress counts for something - this team hasn't been blown out once this season. There have been no 'garbage time' yards or scores. But they haven't been able to win those close games, and they haven't been able to prevent games from turning close when they should have been a rout. "Snatching defeat from the slavering jaws of victory" seems to be the motto of this team right now.

(10-30-2022, 12:31 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Please stop with the “there is improvement” garbage. 

ESPN displayed the most telling stat. 8, now nine I believe, straight games that were one score, were all losses. 

Looking at a murderers row of a schedule, I think it’s safe to say we will be picking number one overall AGAIN. 

Which will be an NFL record in 100+ years of drafting. 

That tells you we are literally the worst franchise in NFL history.

you got everything right except for one thing.

Jags are the worst franchise in all of sports history.

(10-31-2022, 07:52 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 11:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]This team simply doesn't know how to close out games.
https://twitter.com/Ballou1010xl/status/...6942628865

Trevor has to do 2 game winning drives a game then I guess.

That's what the Trevor haters are saying

(10-31-2022, 08:01 AM)iapetus Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-31-2022, 07:50 AM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting....and what side of the of the team loses the lead....the defense

And what side of the team fails to extend the lead... the offence.

Trying to pin this on one person or even one unit is counterproductive. It was like this a few seasons back - whenever one part of the team did its job, the other failed. You could have a good offensive game or a good defensive game, but seemingly never a complete game. People complain that Trevor has never put together a game-winning drive from behind, but actually he's done it twice this season; and both times the defence has suddenly turned around and given up a touchdown and left him in a position where he needs to do it all again, but without enough time (which he's promptly failed to do...) But there are plenty of times where the offence could have scored to put a game out of reach (or closer to out of reach) and they've failed to do so even with excellent field position. First and goal just outside their endzone should be a no-brainer TD, especially with how the running game was going. That INT by Trevor was both unforgivable and unnecessary.

Progress counts for something - this team hasn't been blown out once this season. There have been no 'garbage time' yards or scores. But they haven't been able to win those close games, and they haven't been able to prevent games from turning close when they should have been a rout. "Snatching defeat from the slavering jaws of victory" seems to be the motto of this team right now.

And I'm saying it doesn't matter what happened to get to that point it's all moot....7 game's with the lead....a chance to win regardless of how many points were left on the field....the defense hasn't been doing their job at the end of the game when it matters...we win 3 of those games just 3 and we're tied for the division....I blame Trevor for the mistakes when he makes mistakes... but I don't completely ignore other things that happened like the defense failing... and blame everything on Trevor like some people on here do.... We're not going to put up 50 points a game... Regardless of what happened the offense has put us in a position to win late in the 4th quarter and the defense has blown it....

(10-31-2022, 07:59 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I wish someone who knew more about football than me would look at what defenses we run when down in the fourth quarter. I'd love to know what's being changed specifically.

Most often the defense fails when we are UP in the fourth quarter, not down.

And my impression is that we are leaving our CBs one on one in that situation, and they are repeatedly getting burned deep.

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(10-31-2022, 08:18 AM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-31-2022, 08:01 AM)iapetus Wrote: [ -> ]And what side of the team fails to extend the lead... the offence.

Trying to pin this on one person or even one unit is counterproductive. It was like this a few seasons back - whenever one part of the team did its job, the other failed. You could have a good offensive game or a good defensive game, but seemingly never a complete game. People complain that Trevor has never put together a game-winning drive from behind, but actually he's done it twice this season; and both times the defence has suddenly turned around and given up a touchdown and left him in a position where he needs to do it all again, but without enough time (which he's promptly failed to do...) But there are plenty of times where the offence could have scored to put a game out of reach (or closer to out of reach) and they've failed to do so even with excellent field position. First and goal just outside their endzone should be a no-brainer TD, especially with how the running game was going. That INT by Trevor was both unforgivable and unnecessary.

Progress counts for something - this team hasn't been blown out once this season. There have been no 'garbage time' yards or scores. But they haven't been able to win those close games, and they haven't been able to prevent games from turning close when they should have been a rout. "Snatching defeat from the slavering jaws of victory" seems to be the motto of this team right now.

And I'm saying it doesn't matter what happened to get to that point it's all moot....7 game's with the lead....a chance to win regardless of how many points were left on the field....the defense hasn't been doing their job at the end of the game when it matters...we win 3 of those games just 3 and we're tied for the division....I blame Trevor for the mistakes when he makes mistakes... but I don't completely ignore other things that happened like the defense failing... and blame everything on Trevor like some people on here do.... We're not going to put up 50 points a game... Regardless of what happened the offense has put us in a position to win late in the 4th quarter and the defense has blown it....

... followed by the offense having a chance to win the game and blowing it.

(10-31-2022, 08:26 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-31-2022, 07:59 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I wish someone who knew more about football than me would look at what defenses we run when down in the fourth quarter. I'd love to know what's being changed specifically.

Most often the defense fails when we are UP in the fourth quarter, not down.

And my impression is that we are leaving our CBs one on one in that situation, and they are repeatedly getting burned deep.

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(10-31-2022, 08:18 AM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]And I'm saying it doesn't matter what happened to get to that point it's all moot....7 game's with the lead....a chance to win regardless of how many points were left on the field....the defense hasn't been doing their job at the end of the game when it matters...we win 3 of those games just 3 and we're tied for the division....I blame Trevor for the mistakes when he makes mistakes... but I don't completely ignore other things that happened like the defense failing... and blame everything on Trevor like some people on here do.... We're not going to put up 50 points a game... Regardless of what happened the offense has put us in a position to win late in the 4th quarter and the defense has blown it....

... followed by the offense having a chance to win the game and blowing it.

So you're saying Trevor need to make two game winning drives at the end of these games....the second one being done with a minute left in the game.... completely ignoring that the defense is going up against some of the worst offensive units in the league....and the offense is going against some of the best defensive units in the league.... broncos offense is horrible....but their defense is first against the pass.... second against the run... number one in scoring defense....

What if the defense is horrendous? How does that change Trevor's progression?

Let's compare him to Geno Smith, Ryan Tannehill and other starting quarterbacks in the league. Is he, today, better than them? Or better than Sam Ehlinger? Tom Brady? That's the conversation we need to have.

(10-31-2022, 09:31 AM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-31-2022, 08:26 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Most often the defense fails when we are UP in the fourth quarter, not down.

And my impression is that we are leaving our CBs one on one in that situation, and they are repeatedly getting burned deep.

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... followed by the offense having a chance to win the game and blowing it.

So you're saying Trevor need to make two game winning drives at the end of these games....the second one being done with a minute left in the game.... completely ignoring that the defense is going up against some of the worst offensive units in the league....and the offense is going against some of the best defensive units in the league.... broncos offense is horrible....but their defense is first against the pass.... second against the run... number one in scoring defense....

Trevor threw one pass on the 2nd to last drive.  The rest was running plays.
It would have been nice if there was enough time on the clock to get another touchdown drive with mostly running plays.  But there wasn't.  Trevor needed to do it and he couldn't do it.  Even if the receiver won the fight for that ball, he would have been down in bounds.

Imagine walking into the season with Zay and Marvin Jones as your outside receivers and thinking thats good enough....

Fins drafted Waddle and then said "We need more" and trade for Hill.
Eagles drafted Devonta and then said "We need more" and trade for AJB.
Cards traded for Hopkins and said "We need more" so they trade for Hollywood.

This isn't the only problem on the season but I do think it's the biggest. They are making life harder for their young QB rather than making it easier.

(10-30-2022, 12:41 PM)jg77 Wrote: [ -> ]Trade picks and TLaw to the Ravens in the offseason for Lamar and we'll be back to winning squad just like that.

First game of the PS Lamar would Griffin his knee and we'd be back to the Jaguar foobaw we know and love.

one guy ain't helping this team. Period.

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(10-30-2022, 12:41 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I’ve been holding back but I just have to say it. Lawrence ain’t that dude. I can’t blame the defense who gave up 21 points when my offense can only mustard up 17.

Run the stinkin ball when you’re on the goal line. The score should have ended 24-21. Lawrence’s brain can’t comprehend that it’s 1st down and if I throw the ball away, I have 3 more chances. Instead he tries to play hero and force a throw with his noodle arm.

Get this guy outta here

mustard up....that's a spicy take right there.

(10-31-2022, 09:46 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine walking into the season with Zay and Marvin Jones as your outside receivers and thinking thats good enough....

Fins drafted Waddle and then said "We need more" and trade for Hill.
Eagles drafted Devonta and then said "We need more" and trade for AJB.
Cards traded for Hopkins and said "We need more" so they trade for Hollywood.

This isn't the only problem on the season but I do think it's the biggest. They are making life harder for their young QB rather than making it easier.

We also signed Kirk and got Engram and got a All Pro guard. George Pickins has 29 more yards than Zay Jones.  It's not like this team did nothing to help Trev.  Zay and MJJ didn't make Trev throw that pick on the 1 yard line, or throw the pick right to Stingley in the endzone.  There has been a bunch of plays where Trevor don't even see a guy wid open and I'm not even going to bring up the misses or over throws.  With all that said you could use an upgrade at most positions.  We needsome stars and game changers at almost every position.  Etieene looks like one and Campbell looks like he is almost right there.  Almost every other position we need stars regardless of position

(10-30-2022, 01:05 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]A few guys like Mikey and flsportsgod would love this lol.  Progress guys, we had a good game and kept it close.  Hell yeah

[life size image mein gott use a height tag]

Sorry I don't need to pout when I don't get my way.

I watch football and particularly the Jags because watching football makes me happy.

When it doesn't, I stop watching. I've done it before, and I'm sure I can do it again. Pouting on a forum ain't making the team any better, it just makes me look like someone who can't handle frustration. 

We're getting close to that point. You can't deny the TD to Arnold was a pretty throw. The pick at the end was not. For someone who played in so many big games in his HS and college careers, TLaw just seems to get the yips when the pressure is on, and I don't like that. Forcing throws, being the hero. Take what they give, and if they don't give, toss it away and try again on the next play. Compared to some of the awful QB we've been subjected to in the past, he's better, but should be head and shoulders above the bygone QB we've endured. It sucks, it really does. But for every day he's wearing teal, I'm going to hope he figures it out and gets us winning, just like I did with all the trash QB we've had before him.

All that said, if you want me to come here and join the choir of bedwetters and hyperbolists screaming because we stink, well, I hate to tell you but my future posting will just continue to disappoint you.

(10-31-2022, 09:59 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-31-2022, 09:46 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine walking into the season with Zay and Marvin Jones as your outside receivers and thinking thats good enough....

Fins drafted Waddle and then said "We need more" and trade for Hill.
Eagles drafted Devonta and then said "We need more" and trade for AJB.
Cards traded for Hopkins and said "We need more" so they trade for Hollywood.

This isn't the only problem on the season but I do think it's the biggest. They are making life harder for their young QB rather than making it easier.

We also signed Kirk and got Engram and got a All Pro guard. George Pickins has 29 more yards than Zay Jones.  It's not like this team did nothing to help Trev.  Zay and MJJ didn't make Trev throw that pick on the 1 yard line, or throw the pick right to Stingley in the endzone.  There has been a bunch of plays where Trevor don't even see a guy wid open and I'm not even going to bring up the misses or over throws.  With all that said you could use an upgrade at most positions.  We needsome stars and game changers at almost every position.  Etieene looks like one and Campbell looks like he is almost right there.  Almost every other position we need star regardless of position

This team has done nothing but pick at the scab. They knew they were drafting him and drafted like crap. They are just wasting time until the next failure. There is improvement but the talent evaluation, retention and acquisition schedule is never going to produce success at this pace.

Bad owner, Bad front office and bad team.

(10-31-2022, 12:12 AM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 12:41 PM)jg77 Wrote: [ -> ]Trade picks and TLaw to the Ravens in the offseason for Lamar and we'll be back to winning squad just like that.

As in Lamar Jackson?  That is a terrible idea.  That's just what we need,  a running QB behind a bad offensive line.

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Yeah, right. That's exactly what we need and he'll make our o-line look good again.

(10-31-2022, 09:59 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-31-2022, 09:46 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine walking into the season with Zay and Marvin Jones as your outside receivers and thinking thats good enough....

Fins drafted Waddle and then said "We need more" and trade for Hill.
Eagles drafted Devonta and then said "We need more" and trade for AJB.
Cards traded for Hopkins and said "We need more" so they trade for Hollywood.

This isn't the only problem on the season but I do think it's the biggest. They are making life harder for their young QB rather than making it easier.

We also signed Kirk and got Engram and got a All Pro guard. George Pickins has 29 more yards than Zay Jones.  It's not like this team did nothing to help Trev.  Zay and MJJ didn't make Trev throw that pick on the 1 yard line, or throw the pick right to Stingley in the endzone.  There has been a bunch of plays where Trevor don't even see a guy wid open and I'm not even going to bring up the misses or over throws.  With all that said you could use an upgrade at most positions.  We needsome stars and game changers at almost every position.  Etieene looks like one and Campbell looks like he is almost right there.  Almost every other position we need star regardless of position

Pickens would make this WR room better immediately.

And I didn't put all the blame on not having a legit outside receiver. The defense (which had almost all the draft capital and money added to it) can't rush the passer when they need to. Trevor makes bad interceptions (especially at the goal line) at some bad times but they didn't do enough at the WR room this off season. They thought they were fine and it's coming back to bite them in the butt.

It's disappointing when you watch how aggressive other teams are at getting their young QBs weapons and the Jags are content with Zay Jones.

(10-30-2022, 02:56 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 02:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Wooo boy. Look at those talented Raiders.

You do realize they’ll all the sudden look like a competent team against us next week right?

sadly, can't refute this one.

Carr is gonna eat us alive

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(10-30-2022, 03:11 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 02:59 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]You know I’m not advocating that. When you have solid evidence that your QB isn’t the man you don’t double down. You move on asap

Adding another young QB to this trash team isn't going to change anything. Build up the roster.

Well, we could ruin another QB's potential!!

There's ALWAYS a cloud to every silver lining.

(10-31-2022, 10:07 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-31-2022, 09:59 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We also signed Kirk and got Engram and got a All Pro guard. George Pickins has 29 more yards than Zay Jones.  It's not like this team did nothing to help Trev.  Zay and MJJ didn't make Trev throw that pick on the 1 yard line, or throw the pick right to Stingley in the endzone.  There has been a bunch of plays where Trevor don't even see a guy wid open and I'm not even going to bring up the misses or over throws.  With all that said you could use an upgrade at most positions.  We needsome stars and game changers at almost every position.  Etieene looks like one and Campbell looks like he is almost right there.  Almost every other position we need star regardless of position

Pickens would make this WR room better immediately.

And I didn't put all the blame on not having a legit outside receiver. The defense (which had almost all the draft capital and money added to it) can't rush the passer when they need to. Trevor makes bad interceptions (especially at the goal line) at some bad times but they didn't do enough at the WR room this off season. They thought they were fine and it's coming back to bite them in the butt.

It's disappointing when you watch how aggressive other teams are at getting their young QBs weapons and the Jags are content with Zay Jones.

They obviously didn't think they were fine, they signed a WR to a contract that everyone thought was over paid in Kirk, signed Zay,  a All Pro guard, and signed a pretty good starting TE.  Pickens has 29 more yards and the same amount of TDs as Zay.  There was no true number 1 in FA and you can only do so much in 1 off season.  They haven't done enough at pretty much any position.  We passed up elite WRs in the draft last year but if we drafted Chase or Waddle we wouldn't have Lawrence, would you rather of us done that?

(10-30-2022, 07:15 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 07:05 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]I think it showd how competitive the league is now and that there aren't any really bad teams. Every team is capable of beating another (well maybe not the Chiefs and Bills at the moment) 

I also look at the fact we have lead in all the last 5 games so we aren't getting blown out early and getting garbage time points and stats. Sadly I agree that the momentum from us looks to have gone and the team badly needs a win to get some positivity going again.

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I get you but one has Brady at QB and was a SB contender and the other are current SB holders. Both teams would be considered way ahead of us. Yes they aren't in our conference but just comparing across the league.

Both of those teams are dealing with transition of the salary cap and the inverse draft order.  We has the most cap space in the league and we're allocated the most draft capital.

....and you could say a big part of our failure has been how we spent that cap, at least on the offensive side of the ball.

For everyone who screamed at the void over Kirk's signing, they might have been onto something. He's been a non-factor almost all season. We grabbed him and Zay to the tune of megabucks, relatively speaking compared to others signed at that rate, and our most reliable target has been Engram.

Missing in the darft hurts. Missing in high-dollar FA might be even more destructive.

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(10-30-2022, 08:03 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 07:59 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]I've never said any of that so your point doesn't make sense to me.

I've given Trevor credit when he's done well. I've also said the defense plays like [BLEEP]. And if Trevor is the reason that we took a 4th quarter lead then I'll say it. But he wasn't.

The defense sucks. We all know this. It's the entire unit. But there are a few of you that NEVER put the blame on Trevor. It's always the defense, but never Trevor.

Exactly, I give Trevor credit when due.  With that said he played like [BLEEP] today

....since when does the forum censor Gabby's full name?

(10-31-2022, 10:25 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-31-2022, 10:07 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Pickens would make this WR room better immediately.

And I didn't put all the blame on not having a legit outside receiver. The defense (which had almost all the draft capital and money added to it) can't rush the passer when they need to. Trevor makes bad interceptions (especially at the goal line) at some bad times but they didn't do enough at the WR room this off season. They thought they were fine and it's coming back to bite them in the butt.

It's disappointing when you watch how aggressive other teams are at getting their young QBs weapons and the Jags are content with Zay Jones.

They obviously didn't think they were fine, they signed a WR to a contract that everyone thought was over paid in Kirk, signed Zay,  a All Pro guard, and signed a pretty good starting TE.  Pickens has 29 more yards and the same amount of TDs as Zay.  There was no true number 1 in FA and you can only do so much in 1 off season.  They haven't done enough at pretty much any position.  We passed up elite WRs in the draft last year but if we drafted Chase or Waddle we wouldn't have Lawrence, would you rather of us done that?

Pickens is playing in an atrocious offense and competes in targets with Najee, Friermuth, Claypool and Diontae. Despite what you think, he would make a difference on this team by being the true alpha receiver they need.

But if it was me? I would have traded picks to get Cooper or trade up like the Lions did for a WR or make a blockbuster trade for Tyreek/Adams/AJB like other teams did. I for sure am not going into the season with Zay and Marvin. Kirk would be even better if he had someone to take the pressure off him for once. I wouldn't have drafted 2 LBs and given Oluokon a ton of money. 

However, it doesn't matter what I would have done. They are stuck with a bottom 5 outside WR room which clearly isn't helping their young QB. Trevor has his faults for sure but they aren't making his life easier which is exactly what the Eagles and Fins did for theirs.