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(10-30-2022, 02:56 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 02:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Wooo boy. Look at those talented Raiders.

You do realize they’ll all the sudden look like a competent team against us next week right?

And?

That doesn’t mean they’re good hahah

This isn't just a Lawrence issue, it's a roster issue, it's a coaching issue and it's a franchise issue. 5 OC's in 5 years, 3 HC's in 3 years. #1 pick 2 years in a row. We are not making sound football moves. Since 2017 we have imploded and shipped out anyone with talent and what we have left isn't that great.

I've said it for so long that this team needs experienced players that know how to win. Its not a coincidence when we signed Calais that the Dline suddenly got better. Experience is so key in this league and makes you win those 4-5 plays that decide a game. Our players are used to losing. We need to add quality and depth to the roster.

Has Lawrence been disappointing this year, yeah definitely and the last 5 games have been rough but people act like a new QB and we are playoff bound.

This is the exact same argument we had about Minshew and that Lawrence would be that QB.

(10-30-2022, 02:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 02:02 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I understand, it's tough to lose. This what the team is, a bottom half team. We've already accomplished what I wanted from this year because it's what they are capable of and we knew that going in. Just because you didn't see that is on you.

What have we already accomplished this year that you wanted?  lol

Bottom half?  We are playing like the worst team in the league right now, thats what you wanted from us?

Yes, go back to the off-season and I said that this was about building a competitive team playing meaningful football at the end of every game. Again, just because you have unrealistic expectations doesn't mean you're right. Pederson said flat out that this wasn't a one year turn around and you idiots haven't even given them that before you quit. So either learn to enjoy the ride or go find a team that you can support.

(10-30-2022, 02:59 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 02:51 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Then we can take another one the year after and then another one the year after that and then why not another one after that

You know I’m not advocating that. When you have solid evidence that your QB isn’t the man you don’t double down. You move on asap

Adding another young QB to this trash team isn't going to change anything. Build up the roster.

(10-30-2022, 03:10 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 02:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]What have we already accomplished this year that you wanted?  lol

Bottom half?  We are playing like the worst team in the league right now, thats what you wanted from us?

Yes, go back to the off-season and I said that this was about building a competitive team playing meaningful football at the end of every game. Again, just because you have unrealistic expectations doesn't mean you're right. Pederson said flat out that this wasn't a one year turn around and you idiots haven't even given them that before you quit. So either learn to enjoy the ride or go find a team that you can support.

Preach brother preach 

We've sucked for so long we want it to be a one year turnaround but it doesn't work like that sadly.

Get a new HC or QB and we'll be right here again next year.

(10-30-2022, 02:59 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 02:56 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize they’ll all the sudden look like a competent team against us next week right?

And?

That doesn’t mean they’re good hahah

I didn't say they were good, I said talented haha.  They will beat us.

Does it matter if you pick an unprecedented 3 years in a row first overall if you can't draft?

Can't draft
Can't coach
Can't identify or retain talent
Can't win with all of the above

The team is better but.... when you are historically pathetic it doesn't help very much. The owner sucks and worse than that he is stubborn to a fault. Good thing he out waited the fans to keep his GM.

(10-30-2022, 03:10 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 02:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]What have we already accomplished this year that you wanted?  lol

Bottom half?  We are playing like the worst team in the league right now, thats what you wanted from us?

Yes, go back to the off-season and I said that this was about building a competitive team playing meaningful football at the end of every game. Again, just because you have unrealistic expectations doesn't mean you're right. Pederson said flat out that this wasn't a one year turn around and you idiots haven't even given them that before you quit. So either learn to enjoy the ride or go find a team that you can support.

lolololol.  Like I said, that post in 29 is perfect for you with your losing and moral victory mentality.  To expect to beat a winless team at home, the Giants who we were favored against, the team that we beat 2 straight, and a Denver team that has been one of the worst in the league is unrealistic expectations? lol.  We havent lived up to the expectations of most and are under performing.  Vegas had us at 6.5 wins.  Its looking like we wont get close to that.    This team has most definitely under performed so far this year.

Here's the thing: The first game against the Colts and the Chargers. That performance by Trevor was not a fluke. Those games are an example of what happens when everyone is synced in and the plays are perfectly executed. That will likely be the result more often when everyone gets on page.

He fell hard on the Eagles game. It started to get into his head. He became inconsistent. He is hesitating while the play is in effect and it leads to making bad decisions or inaccurate throws. As long as he shows the maturity to eventually get past this mind set, he will be on point. If it regresses further this season, it's very troublesome. And THAT is when we should all be lighting our torches on him.

Also remember: The Broncos have one of the top defensive units in the league. This was expected to be a tougher matchup.

As much as this year is a bummer and not seeing a bigger jump from Trevor is alarming, this thing all boils down to next year. I know, I know, we hear that garbage all the time! BUT... This time I think we're on to something for real. This team, even with how bad we look at times, is in every damned game. Next year is the year we see if Trevor makes the Josh Allen year 3 QB leap and this team explodes, or we fall limp. This time around we have the coaches in place, and to a degree the talent in place to be a playoff team. It all comes down to the development of TL, if it were me personally, I would draft someone and have him take the QB2 spot and if TL stinks, try the new kid out... The team has talent and needs to utilize an effective QB on their rookie deal if they want to win now, this team has cap issues on the horizon so it's either next year or nothing if we roll with TL before we have to retool the roster.

(10-30-2022, 02:58 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 02:36 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Wasn't good, but it was against the best Passing Defense in the NFL.

No....  don't fo that.  This down receiver open on a 9 yard comeback and u miss him?  We ended the game on a 9 yard out route in two minute that he threw behind a receiver.  On the replay u can hear the broncos laughing that the guy has a cast on his arm.

He can't make that throw. He is always behind or out in front. It's routine for him to miss those throws. Then if you add 5-10 yards to the routes he is airmailing it.

(10-30-2022, 03:10 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 02:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]What have we already accomplished this year that you wanted?  lol

Bottom half?  We are playing like the worst team in the league right now, thats what you wanted from us?

Yes, go back to the off-season and I said that this was about building a competitive team playing meaningful football at the end of every game. Again, just because you have unrealistic expectations doesn't mean you're right. Pederson said flat out that this wasn't a one year turn around and you idiots haven't even given them that before you quit. So either learn to enjoy the ride or go find a team that you can support.

Not seeing where they want a coaching change but admitting the team sucks isn't wrong. There's some improvements but the end result isn't there. The main issue is the QB is holding the team back. In the previous years, the QB has been bad and the rest of the team is also bad. Now there is improvement from other positions but the QB play is still holding back the team.

Unfortunately it's basic throwing that is an issue and that doesn't even get to decision making, pocket presence, etc.

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(10-30-2022, 03:27 PM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the thing: The first game against the Colts and the Chargers. That performance by Trevor was not a fluke. Those games are an example of what happens when everyone is synced in and the plays are perfectly executed. That will likely be the result more often when everyone gets on page.

He fell hard on the Eagles game. It started to get into his head. He became inconsistent. He is hesitating while the play is in effect and it leads to making bad decisions or inaccurate throws. As long as he shows the maturity to eventually get past this mind set, he will be on point. If it regresses further this season, it's very troublesome. And THAT is when we should all be lighting our torches on him.

Also remember: The Broncos have one of the top defensive units in the league. This was expected to be a tougher matchup.

It's already regressed. Watch him after he misses throws. He is mentally broken and it shows on his face and reaction to each miss. If he doesn't come out refreshed after the bye, he may be done and never recover.

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(10-30-2022, 03:28 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 02:58 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]No....  don't fo that.  This down receiver open on a 9 yard comeback and u miss him?  We ended the game on a 9 yard out route in two minute that he threw behind a receiver.  On the replay u can hear the broncos laughing that the guy has a cast on his arm.

He can't make that throw. He is always behind or out in front. It's routine for him to miss those throws. Then if you add 5-10 yards to the routes he is airmailing it.

(10-30-2022, 03:10 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, go back to the off-season and I said that this was about building a competitive team playing meaningful football at the end of every game. Again, just because you have unrealistic expectations doesn't mean you're right. Pederson said flat out that this wasn't a one year turn around and you idiots haven't even given them that before you quit. So either learn to enjoy the ride or go find a team that you can support.

Not seeing where they want a coaching change but admitting the team sucks isn't wrong. There's some improvements but the end result isn't there. The main issue is the QB is holding the team back. In the previous years, the QB has been bad and the rest of the team is also bad. Now there is improvement from other positions but the QB play is still holding back the team.

Unfortunately it's basic throwing that is an issue and that doesn't even get to decision making, pocket presence, etc.

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The Defense has lost us more games than the QB has.

(10-30-2022, 03:42 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 03:28 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]He can't make that throw. He is always behind or out in front. It's routine for him to miss those throws. Then if you add 5-10 yards to the routes he is airmailing it.


Not seeing where they want a coaching change but admitting the team sucks isn't wrong. There's some improvements but the end result isn't there. The main issue is the QB is holding the team back. In the previous years, the QB has been bad and the rest of the team is also bad. Now there is improvement from other positions but the QB play is still holding back the team.

Unfortunately it's basic throwing that is an issue and that doesn't even get to decision making, pocket presence, etc.

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The Defense has lost us more games than the QB has.

It’s about even to be honest. 

I think a fair argument can be made Trevor was a major reason for losing Houston, Philly, and Today. The other three games the defense were tossed salad

(10-30-2022, 03:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 03:10 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, go back to the off-season and I said that this was about building a competitive team playing meaningful football at the end of every game. Again, just because you have unrealistic expectations doesn't mean you're right. Pederson said flat out that this wasn't a one year turn around and you idiots haven't even given them that before you quit. So either learn to enjoy the ride or go find a team that you can support.

lolololol.  Like I said, that post in 29 is perfect for you with your losing and moral victory mentality.  To expect to beat a winless team at home, the Giants who we were favored against, the team that we beat 2 straight, and a Denver team that has been one of the worst in the league is unrealistic expectations? lol.  We havent lived up to the expectations of most and are under performing.  Vegas had us at 6.5 wins.  Its looking like we wont get close to that.    This team has most definitely under performed so far this year.

Like I said, not even halfway into year 1 and you just can't can't help but quit.

(10-30-2022, 03:52 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 03:42 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]The Defense has lost us more games than the QB has.

It’s about even to be honest. 

I think a fair argument can be made Trevor was a major reason for losing Houston, Philly, and Today. The other three games the defense were tossed salad

Houston and Philly yes, the rest the Defense shoulders a lot of the blame. Until the Defense learns how to close out a game, it wont matter how many points the Offense scores.

My issue is

Was that defence we saw in the early rounds just a fluke?

(10-30-2022, 04:15 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]My issue is

Was that defence we saw in the early rounds just a fluke?

Yup, they were living off of a few turnovers. Once the turnovers stopped coming, the real Defense showed up.

(10-30-2022, 04:19 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 04:15 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]My issue is

Was that defence we saw in the early rounds just a fluke?

Yup, they were living off of a few turnovers. Once the turnovers stopped coming, the real Defense showed up.

True. Also think they have the problem of soft zone of leaving one easy short completion for a QB which doesn't let the pass rush get home.

(10-30-2022, 03:10 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 02:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]What have we already accomplished this year that you wanted?  lol

Bottom half?  We are playing like the worst team in the league right now, thats what you wanted from us?

Yes, go back to the off-season and I said that this was about building a competitive team playing meaningful football at the end of every game. Again, just because you have unrealistic expectations doesn't mean you're right. Pederson said flat out that this wasn't a one year turn around and you idiots haven't even given them that before you quit. So either learn to enjoy the ride or go find a team that you can support.

I agree.....Say it louder!!

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(10-30-2022, 04:19 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2022, 04:15 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]My issue is

Was that defence we saw in the early rounds just a fluke?

Yup, they were living off of a few turnovers. Once the turnovers stopped coming, the real Defense showed up.

Exactly....