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(12-19-2022, 08:33 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-19-2022, 08:27 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]This game is more important than the Dallas game.

About a week ago, I was confident Dallas could take care of Tennessee and enable us to catch the Tacks by week 18.

But given that we beat Dallas, the dynamic may have changed considerably.

Having lost to us, thereby losing a game to the Eagles, there is almost no chance for them to catch the Eagles and win their division, even if they beat Philly this weekend.  Furthermore, they are far enough ahead of the bottom two wild card teams they likely can't/won't be caught.  Being pretty much locked into the 5th seed, there arguably isn't much outward incentive for which to play.  They could end up using those last two weeks to get healthy for the playoffs.  If so, Tennessee's chances of winning that game improves.

To avoid all of that, we've got to win on Thursday.

I could be wrong but I don’t think the Eagles have clinched the NFC East. 

They likely won’t have Hurts for the regular season. If Cowboys win out, they might win the East.

You aren't wrong.

However, the Eagles have a three (3) game lead in the division with only three (3) games left.  You think the Eagles will lose all three games, even if Minshew play all three for Philly?

This Hurts shoulder injury is a wildcard.  If Dallas wins and Minshew has to play the rest of the season, then Dallas is still alive.

Either way, though, I don't want to lose to the Jets, and have to rely on Houston to beat Tennessee to keep the game we gained on the Tacks or to rely on Dallas to get that game back for us.

On top of that, there may be a scenario where we may have to go the wild card route (unlikely).  In that case, beating the Jets would give us tiebreaker over the and the Chargers.

(12-19-2022, 08:42 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-19-2022, 08:33 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I could be wrong but I don’t think the Eagles have clinched the NFC East. 

They likely won’t have Hurts for the regular season. If Cowboys win out, they might win the East.

You aren't wrong.

However, the Eagles have a three (3) game lead in the division with only three (3) games left.  You think the Eagles will lose all three games, even if Minshew play all three for Philly?

This Hurts shoulder injury is a wildcard.  If Dallas wins and Minshew has to play the rest of the season, then Dallas is still alive.

Either way, though, I don't want to lose to the Jets, and have to rely on Houston to beat Tennessee to keep the game we gained on the Tacks or to rely on Dallas to get that game back for us.

On top of that, there may be a scenario where we may have to go the wild card route (unlikely).  In that case, beating the Jets would give us tiebreaker over the and the Chargers.

No disrespect to Jalen Hurts but I really don't see a huge drop off coming for Philly if Minshew plays. That team is stacked offensively with talent i'm pretty sure Bortles could sneak a win or 2 with AJ Brown/Smith/Godert and that nasty O line.

(12-19-2022, 08:45 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-19-2022, 08:42 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]You aren't wrong.

However, the Eagles have a three (3) game lead in the division with only three (3) games left.  You think the Eagles will lose all three games, even if Minshew play all three for Philly?

This Hurts shoulder injury is a wildcard.  If Dallas wins and Minshew has to play the rest of the season, then Dallas is still alive.

Either way, though, I don't want to lose to the Jets, and have to rely on Houston to beat Tennessee to keep the game we gained on the Tacks or to rely on Dallas to get that game back for us.

On top of that, there may be a scenario where we may have to go the wild card route (unlikely).  In that case, beating the Jets would give us tiebreaker over the and the Chargers.

No disrespect to Jalen Hurts but I really don't see a huge drop off coming for Philly if Minshew plays. That team is stacked offensively with talent i'm pretty sure Bortles could sneak a win or 2 with AJ Brown/Smith/Godert and that nasty O line.

Agreed, pretty much like Parsons said.  They have no weakness

(12-19-2022, 08:42 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-19-2022, 08:33 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I could be wrong but I don’t think the Eagles have clinched the NFC East. 

They likely won’t have Hurts for the regular season. If Cowboys win out, they might win the East.

You aren't wrong.

However, the Eagles have a three (3) game lead in the division with only three (3) games left.  You think the Eagles will lose all three games, even if Minshew play all three for Philly?

This Hurts shoulder injury is a wildcard.  If Dallas wins and Minshew has to play the rest of the season, then Dallas is still alive.

Either way, though, I don't want to lose to the Jets, and have to rely on Houston to beat Tennessee to keep the game we gained on the Tacks or to rely on Dallas to get that game back for us.

On top of that, there may be a scenario where we may have to go the wild card route (unlikely).  In that case, beating the Jets would give us tiebreaker over the and the Chargers.

Eagles are a totally different team without Hurts. His threat to run every play is massive and he has big arm whereas Minshew has a noodle arm.

Cowboys game will be tough. Then they play NO the next week on Sunday and the Cowboys play Thursday night. So if Cowboys beat the Eagles Sunday, they will be playing hard Thursday because the division could still be up for grabs.

I do however think this game Thursday is massive.

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(12-19-2022, 08:45 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-19-2022, 08:42 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]You aren't wrong.

However, the Eagles have a three (3) game lead in the division with only three (3) games left.  You think the Eagles will lose all three games, even if Minshew play all three for Philly?

This Hurts shoulder injury is a wildcard.  If Dallas wins and Minshew has to play the rest of the season, then Dallas is still alive.

Either way, though, I don't want to lose to the Jets, and have to rely on Houston to beat Tennessee to keep the game we gained on the Tacks or to rely on Dallas to get that game back for us.

On top of that, there may be a scenario where we may have to go the wild card route (unlikely).  In that case, beating the Jets would give us tiebreaker over the and the Chargers.

No disrespect to Jalen Hurts but I really don't see a huge drop off coming for Philly if Minshew plays. That team is stacked offensively with talent i'm pretty sure Bortles could sneak a win or 2 with AJ Brown/Smith/Godert and that nasty O line.

That is a legit disrespect. 

“Hey. No disrespect to the potential MVP but they’re the same team with or without him.”

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(12-19-2022, 08:46 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-19-2022, 08:45 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]No disrespect to Jalen Hurts but I really don't see a huge drop off coming for Philly if Minshew plays. That team is stacked offensively with talent i'm pretty sure Bortles could sneak a win or 2 with AJ Brown/Smith/Godert and that nasty O line.

Agreed, pretty much like Parsons said.  They have no weakness

He said that before Hurts got hurt.

(12-19-2022, 08:45 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-19-2022, 08:42 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]You aren't wrong.

However, the Eagles have a three (3) game lead in the division with only three (3) games left.  You think the Eagles will lose all three games, even if Minshew play all three for Philly?

This Hurts shoulder injury is a wildcard.  If Dallas wins and Minshew has to play the rest of the season, then Dallas is still alive.

Either way, though, I don't want to lose to the Jets, and have to rely on Houston to beat Tennessee to keep the game we gained on the Tacks or to rely on Dallas to get that game back for us.

On top of that, there may be a scenario where we may have to go the wild card route (unlikely).  In that case, beating the Jets would give us tiebreaker over the and the Chargers.

No disrespect to Jalen Hurts but I really don't see a huge drop off coming for Philly if Minshew plays. That team is stacked offensively with talent i'm pretty sure Bortles could sneak a win or 2 with AJ Brown/Smith/Godert and that nasty O line.

There likely will be SOME drop off.  Hurts has had a helluva year so far.  But Minshew is capable of some very good play at the position.  As Jaguars fans, we've all seen it with our own eyes.  With those receivers he has up there, Minshew should give them some quality play.  Dallas better get that pass rush going and find a CB opposite Diggs if they hope to beat the Eagles.

Oh this game just turned into a huge game. Thursday games are always a wildcard, short week, late in the season, I usually give the edge to the home team purely because they have the home field advantage.

I'm hoping the confidence and belief from yesterday and the last few weeks can give us the boost we need for the short week. The Jets lost a tough one to the Lions yesterday and looks like it will be Zach Wilson again. There seemed to be some arguing between the WR's and Wilson yesterday so hopefully they aren't all on the same page.

We played @ the Jets last year on Boxing Day and lost 26-21 with Wilson having that absurd, slowest ever 52yd run TD. 

Payback is on the menu

Let's go Jags

(12-19-2022, 08:45 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]No disrespect to Jalen Hurts but I really don't see a huge drop off coming for Philly if Minshew plays. That team is stacked offensively with talent i'm pretty sure Bortles could sneak a win or 2 with AJ Brown/Smith/Godert and that nasty O line.

That is a legit disrespect. 

“Hey. No disrespect to the potential MVP but they’re the same team with or without him.”

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I didn't say they are the same team, I said that the team is strong enough in talent to win with a game manager. Jalen Hurts has been electric, but you're disrespecting that entire team if you think he's the sole reason they are winning. 


You can make that argument for us with Trevor, but not the Eagles. They have almost no weaknesses on that team they have maybe the most talented offense top to bottom in the league and a really good Defense.

(12-19-2022, 09:10 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-19-2022, 08:45 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]No disrespect to Jalen Hurts but I really don't see a huge drop off coming for Philly if Minshew plays. That team is stacked offensively with talent i'm pretty sure Bortles could sneak a win or 2 with AJ Brown/Smith/Godert and that nasty O line.

That is a legit disrespect. 

“Hey. No disrespect to the potential MVP but they’re the same team with or without him.”

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I didn't say they are the same team, I said that the team is strong enough in talent to win with a game manager. Jalen Hurts has been electric, but you're disrespecting that entire team if you think he's the sole reason they are winning. 


You can make that argument for us with Trevor, but not the Eagles. They have almost no weaknesses on that team they have maybe the most talented offense top to bottom in the league and a really good Defense.

Without Hurts, their weakness is QB. I see we are back to overrating Minshew again.

That roster is FANTASTIC. But even with Hurts, they struggled to beat the Bears. They will likely be underdogs against the Cowboys. Then they play the Giants in the last week of the season with playoffs on the line for the GMen.

I don’t think they’ll lose all 3 games but losing to the Cowboys and Giants is certainly possible without Hurts.

(12-19-2022, 09:15 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-19-2022, 09:10 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]That is a legit disrespect. 

“Hey. No disrespect to the potential MVP but they’re the same team with or without him.”

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I didn't say they are the same team, I said that the team is strong enough in talent to win with a game manager. Jalen Hurts has been electric, but you're disrespecting that entire team if you think he's the sole reason they are winning. 


You can make that argument for us with Trevor, but not the Eagles. They have almost no weaknesses on that team they have maybe the most talented offense top to bottom in the league and a really good Defense.

Without Hurts, their weakness is QB. I see we are back to overrating Minshew again.

That roster is FANTASTIC. But even with Hurts, they struggled to beat the Bears. They will likely be underdogs against the Cowboys. Then they play the Giants in the last week of the season with playoffs on the line for the GMen.

I don’t think they’ll lose all 3 games but losing to the Cowboys and Giants is certainly possible without Hurts.

It's not about Minshew, it's about that team man. I don't think you realize how absurdly talented they are lol.

(12-19-2022, 08:42 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-19-2022, 08:33 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I could be wrong but I don’t think the Eagles have clinched the NFC East. 

They likely won’t have Hurts for the regular season. If Cowboys win out, they might win the East.

You aren't wrong.

However, the Eagles have a three (3) game lead in the division with only three (3) games left.  You think the Eagles will lose all three games, even if Minshew play all three for Philly?

This Hurts shoulder injury is a wildcard.  If Dallas wins and Minshew has to play the rest of the season, then Dallas is still alive.

Either way, though, I don't want to lose to the Jets, and have to rely on Houston to beat Tennessee to keep the game we gained on the Tacks or to rely on Dallas to get that game back for us.

On top of that, there may be a scenario where we may have to go the wild card route (unlikely).  In that case, beating the Jets would give us tiebreaker over the and the Chargers.

The wild card is extremely unlikely for us.  The thing you have to remember is that if we win all 3 remaining games, the Jaguars are guaranteed to win the division.  The wild card only comes into play if the Jaguars lose a game.  That means they would have a maximum of 8 wins and it will be tough to make the wild card with 8 wins.  Baltimore already has 9 and the Chargers/Dolphins already have 8.  To start, we would need either the Chargers or the Dolphins to lose all three of their remaining games.  The Chargers play three weak teams so that's unlikely.  The Dolphins are more possible, but if they lose all three, it means the Jets and Patriots win another game which puts them at 8 wins as well.  Those two teams would then need to go 0-2 in their other games.  You also have the Raiders, Browns and Steelers with 6 wins.  If any of those teams go 3-0, then they are a lock over us as well.  If the Browns or Steelers go 2-1, it comes down a tie breaker.  I believe we are mathematically still alive for the wild card, but it would take an awful lot of games going the right direction for it to happen.  For all practical purposes, it is division winner or bust.

(12-19-2022, 09:18 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-19-2022, 09:15 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Without Hurts, their weakness is QB. I see we are back to overrating Minshew again.

That roster is FANTASTIC. But even with Hurts, they struggled to beat the Bears. They will likely be underdogs against the Cowboys. Then they play the Giants in the last week of the season with playoffs on the line for the GMen.

I don’t think they’ll lose all 3 games but losing to the Cowboys and Giants is certainly possible without Hurts.

It's not about Minshew, it's about that team man. I don't think you realize how absurdly talented they are lol.

I know exactly how talented they are. Best roster top to bottom most likely.

That doesn’t mean there’s not a huge drop off from Hurts to Minshew. Again, they still might win against the Saints and Giants but their offense won’t be a juggernaut like they have been. Hurts has been hitting a ton of deep shots to Smith and AJB. Minshew won’t do that.  They won’t be able to run those RPOs. They likely won’t be as aggressive on 4th down. Their offense can’t be run the same because Minshew can’t run or throw like Hurts.

That’s my point.

(12-19-2022, 08:45 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-19-2022, 08:42 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]You aren't wrong.

However, the Eagles have a three (3) game lead in the division with only three (3) games left.  You think the Eagles will lose all three games, even if Minshew play all three for Philly?

This Hurts shoulder injury is a wildcard.  If Dallas wins and Minshew has to play the rest of the season, then Dallas is still alive.

Either way, though, I don't want to lose to the Jets, and have to rely on Houston to beat Tennessee to keep the game we gained on the Tacks or to rely on Dallas to get that game back for us.

On top of that, there may be a scenario where we may have to go the wild card route (unlikely).  In that case, beating the Jets would give us tiebreaker over the and the Chargers.

No disrespect to Jalen Hurts but I really don't see a huge drop off coming for Philly if Minshew plays. That team is stacked offensively with talent i'm pretty sure Bortles could sneak a win or 2 with AJ Brown/Smith/Godert and that nasty O line.

So no drop off from 13 rushing TD and 750 rushing yards.

Another great QB take.

(12-19-2022, 08:58 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-19-2022, 08:45 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]No disrespect to Jalen Hurts but I really don't see a huge drop off coming for Philly if Minshew plays. That team is stacked offensively with talent i'm pretty sure Bortles could sneak a win or 2 with AJ Brown/Smith/Godert and that nasty O line.

There likely will be SOME drop off.  Hurts has had a helluva year so far.  But Minshew is capable of some very good play at the position.  As Jaguars fans, we've all seen it with our own eyes.  With those receivers he has up there, Minshew should give them some quality play.  Dallas better get that pass rush going and find a CB opposite Diggs if they hope to beat the Eagles.

Is Minshew Nick Foles and Hurts Carson Wentz? Seems like I've seen this story before.

(12-19-2022, 11:59 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-19-2022, 08:45 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]No disrespect to Jalen Hurts but I really don't see a huge drop off coming for Philly if Minshew plays. That team is stacked offensively with talent i'm pretty sure Bortles could sneak a win or 2 with AJ Brown/Smith/Godert and that nasty O line.

So no drop off from 13 rushing TD and 750 rushing yards.

Another great QB take.

I swear half this message board reads my post, has short term memory loss and pretends I said something completely different. When I say "I don't see a HUGE dropoff" some how you boys just completely deleted the word "huge" and pretend I said there wont be any drop off. 

Minshew is not Jalen Hurts obviously but we've seen him play pretty good football with absolutely nothing around him. I'd bet he has some pretty good games with this offense. I mean, even last year he had 4 tds 1 turnover in his 2 starts for the Eagles. And that's without AJ Brown and a rookie Devonta Smith. Jalen Hurts had 16 TDs last year in the other 15 games. Also if you don't think AJ Brown is making Hurts 10x better of a QB you're crazy, look at Tannehill with and without Brown, dudes the best WR in football.

I think the Eagles are overrated. They've only beaten 3 teams with a winning record (Vikings, Cowboys and Giants) everyone else has a losing record. They barely beat Chicago, Barely beat the Colts, the Jags gave them the ball FIVE times and still they only managed to get 1 score on them (TD + 2pt). They beat the cards by 3, damn near lost to the Lions before they were good.

Not saying they are not a good team, but I don't think they are the best team in Football, nor do I think they are the best team in the NFC.

I personally hope Minshew does play and tears it up. I like him, not more than Trevor, but I do like him and I think if the Jets were to pick him up or the 9ers, they would be scary good.

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(12-19-2022, 09:19 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-19-2022, 08:42 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]You aren't wrong.

However, the Eagles have a three (3) game lead in the division with only three (3) games left.  You think the Eagles will lose all three games, even if Minshew play all three for Philly?

This Hurts shoulder injury is a wildcard.  If Dallas wins and Minshew has to play the rest of the season, then Dallas is still alive.

Either way, though, I don't want to lose to the Jets, and have to rely on Houston to beat Tennessee to keep the game we gained on the Tacks or to rely on Dallas to get that game back for us.

On top of that, there may be a scenario where we may have to go the wild card route (unlikely).  In that case, beating the Jets would give us tiebreaker over the and the Chargers.

The wild card is extremely unlikely for us.  The thing you have to remember is that if we win all 3 remaining games, the Jaguars are guaranteed to win the division.  The wild card only comes into play if the Jaguars lose a game.  That means they would have a maximum of 8 wins and it will be tough to make the wild card with 8 wins.  Baltimore already has 9 and the Chargers/Dolphins already have 8.  To start, we would need either the Chargers or the Dolphins to lose all three of their remaining games.  The Chargers play three weak teams so that's unlikely.  The Dolphins are more possible, but if they lose all three, it means the Jets and Patriots win another game which puts them at 8 wins as well.  Those two teams would then need to go 0-2 in their other games.  You also have the Raiders, Browns and Steelers with 6 wins.  If any of those teams go 3-0, then they are a lock over us as well.  If the Browns or Steelers go 2-1, it comes down a tie breaker.  I believe we are mathematically still alive for the wild card, but it would take an awful lot of games going the right direction for it to happen.  For all practical purposes, it is division winner or bust.

But it's been one helluva season. Lots of ups and downs, but man sure feels good to not be talking about the first or if you're like me checking out the mock draft database over on Walter football and knowing the jags are picking top 5 so I don't even need to click the link to see who they think we pick. I hope we make the playoffs, but I am happy as long as we are competitive in every game. I really hope we don't have to keep coming from behind to win as well.

This off-season is going to be amazing, everyone should be talking about us as the division favorites...hopefully.

(12-19-2022, 08:27 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]This game is more important than the Dallas game.

About a week ago, I was confident Dallas could take care of Tennessee and enable us to catch the Tacks by week 18.

But given that we beat Dallas, the dynamic may have changed considerably.

Having lost to us, thereby losing a game to the Eagles, there is almost no chance for them to catch the Eagles and win their division, even if they beat Philly this weekend.  Furthermore, they are far enough ahead of the bottom two wild card teams they likely can't/won't be caught.  Being pretty much locked into the 5th seed, there arguably isn't much outward incentive for which to play.  They could end up using those last two weeks to get healthy for the playoffs.  If so, Tennessee's chances of winning that game improves.

To avoid all of that, we've got to win on Thursday.

Every game going forward is more important than the last…

Hate these types of games. I think it'll be another solid test for Lawrence but with this defense I worry no matter who they play. Wilson could end up looking like the guy he was drafted to be in two days from now. With that said. I think he'll force a few turnovers in our favor.

Jaguars - 31
Jets - 23

(12-20-2022, 07:39 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Hate these types of games. I think it'll be another solid test for Lawrence but with this defense I worry no matter who they play. Wilson could end up looking like the guy he was drafted to be in two days from now. With that said. I think he'll force a few turnovers in our favor.

Jaguars - 31
Jets - 23

I'm gonna stick to my "Predicting a massive L" strategy that's been undefeated so far the past couple weeks. 


With that said

42-10 JETS BOOM 

Zach Wilson comes out hot with 5 td passes and the puny jaguars are no match for the Cougar hunter.